Improving as a progressive commissioner Topic

I took over as commissioner of a progressive league a couple seasons ago, and I’m still working out my processes of how to keep everything straight and running smoothly. I think it’s gone well so far, but it got me to thinking that some of the more experienced progressive commissioners might have some tips or tricks that help streamline the process and keep everyone happy. Anyone care to offer any suggestions that they’ve learned from their years of experience?
12/10/2021 7:09 PM
The most important thing (besides not screwing up the draft board, which is just a question of double and triple-checking your work) is to avoid malcontents. Obviously there's only so much you can do here if you've got a moron in the league who won't behave, but I think you can help minimize it by doing two things:

1. Be as respectful as possible to the other owners at all times. If you want to make a rule change, put it up for discussion first and actually listen to what people say. If there is some kind of screwup, take ownership of it even if it's mostly someone else's fault. Approach everything with the goal of minimizing conflict. And definitely don't criticize other people's draft picks, this has always been a big pet peeve of mine, I hate when people do this under any circumstances, but commissioners doing it is much more irritating.

2. If someone is getting out of line, try to handle it privately whenever possible. Putting people on blast publicly tends to be alienating, even if the person might have it coming. The goal is to keep the league running, and clowning on someone, no matter how clownish they are, tends to have the opposite effect.


12/11/2021 8:41 AM
06gsp makes good points, to which I will add the following. Obvious caveat that everything that follows qualifies as IMO.

The two other really important qualities in a progressive commissioner are communication and efficiency.

Re: communication, this applies to everything: setting and explaining league rules, handling conflicts, finding replacement owners, and especially drafts. Communicate early, often, and (in general) decide whether your primary means of communication is sitemail or the league forum, and stick to that. I use the league forum for almost everything, and supplement with sitemail when something important is happening. Again, drafts are the most important part of most progressives, and it drives me crazy when communications are late, sloppy, inconsistent. I probably take this to an extreme, but as soon as the league schedule generates for any given season, I post all of the dates related to the next draft. So two months in advance, owners know (a) when keeper lists are due (b) when keeper lists are finalized (c) when the draft will start, etc.

Also re: communication, be sure to spell out your rules in detail. Few things make me less likely to join a progressive than when the commissioner posts an ad looking for new owners and DOESN'T post the league rules. Or says something like "standard progressive rules." There is no such thing. Every progressive, and every commissioner, deals with dozens of variables differently. How is draft order determined? Reverse order of finish or something else? Is there a lottery for the top pick? What are the criteria for getting in the lottery? Is there a wins floor? By when? Game 120, game 135, game 162? What happens when an owner misses a pick? What happens when an owner forgets to post a keeper? What happens when an owner trades (say) a 4th round pick, and then posts 23 keepers (this is an issue over which there are profound differences of opinion)? What happens when an owner forgets to list a player who is coming back from IR? What happens if the commissioner makes a mistake and includes someone's keeper on the list of available players? There are NO standard answers to these questions, so a good commissioner maintains a detailed constitution where these details and others are spelled out. And if you HAVEN'T done these things, I promise you that there will be conflicts that arise because owners will assume different things about each of these situations.

Re: efficiency, this includes things like really good record keeping on rosters, trades, etc. A best practice is to make sure there is one place (typically a thread in the league forum) where ALL trade details are kept. Including both in-season and off-season trades, and DON'T start a new one each season. I also keep master spreadsheets with every team's roster, and another spreadsheet with all of the available players each season, sorted by position. This makes each season's draft relatively easy to set up and manage.

Lastly, I would not call this necessary, but it definitely separates good from great...how much effort do you want to put into maintaining a league history? Career and single season records, lists of awards, etc. Leagues develop their own sense of culture and community, and one thing that really contributes to a league's identity is its own sense of history.
12/11/2021 9:18 AM
I totally agree on the communication issue. Thankfully the league creator worked out the vast majority of the details and posted those. We've had polls on a couple potential rule tweaks. I try to give everyone plenty of notice on deadlines, drafts, etc.

My bigger concern is trying to keep all of the rosters, keepers, etc. straight. It just takes so blasted long and I feel like I'm always missing something. Is there a simpler way to set up the list of draft availables and double check everyone's rosters? I'm currently making a spreadsheet of all players from a particular year, then one-by-one removing them as people put up their keeper lists, leaving me with a list of available players. I'm then making another spreadsheet of each team's roster and adding to that as they draft, and using it next season to make sure all their keepers/cuts/retirees/trades/drafts have been accounted for. Does anyone care to speak to this process and any time-saving techniques they've come up with?
12/11/2021 10:54 AM
you wanna make it easier you eliminate trades

which will chase away half the owners

because people love to trade



so you allow trades but only during the season when people can veto

( nice, it's on others to impinge )

but no one is paying attention so no one vetos



it's a conundrum
12/11/2021 12:11 PM
"
What happens when an owner trades (say) a 4th round pick, and then posts 23 keepers (this is an issue over which there are profound differences of opinion)?

"

omg my bff

this one used to make me so angry

you trade your next year 3rd 4th 5th during the season, helping you to the pennant with a bullpen arm and a pinch hitter

then later when its keeper time you keep 24

my blood pressure is rising right now



ommmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
12/11/2021 1:10 PM
Posted by mattedesa on 12/11/2021 10:54:00 AM (view original):
I totally agree on the communication issue. Thankfully the league creator worked out the vast majority of the details and posted those. We've had polls on a couple potential rule tweaks. I try to give everyone plenty of notice on deadlines, drafts, etc.

My bigger concern is trying to keep all of the rosters, keepers, etc. straight. It just takes so blasted long and I feel like I'm always missing something. Is there a simpler way to set up the list of draft availables and double check everyone's rosters? I'm currently making a spreadsheet of all players from a particular year, then one-by-one removing them as people put up their keeper lists, leaving me with a list of available players. I'm then making another spreadsheet of each team's roster and adding to that as they draft, and using it next season to make sure all their keepers/cuts/retirees/trades/drafts have been accounted for. Does anyone care to speak to this process and any time-saving techniques they've come up with?
if you wait for all the keepers to be in, you can make a big list of them and then do a vlookup against the full player list and easily get rid of all the keepers.

12/11/2021 1:38 PM
Intermediate-level Excel skills - most of which can be easily acquired with a little bit of time invested in free tutorials online - are a huge help in many facets of this game.
12/11/2021 2:02 PM
Posted by 06gsp on 12/11/2021 1:38:00 PM (view original):
Posted by mattedesa on 12/11/2021 10:54:00 AM (view original):
I totally agree on the communication issue. Thankfully the league creator worked out the vast majority of the details and posted those. We've had polls on a couple potential rule tweaks. I try to give everyone plenty of notice on deadlines, drafts, etc.

My bigger concern is trying to keep all of the rosters, keepers, etc. straight. It just takes so blasted long and I feel like I'm always missing something. Is there a simpler way to set up the list of draft availables and double check everyone's rosters? I'm currently making a spreadsheet of all players from a particular year, then one-by-one removing them as people put up their keeper lists, leaving me with a list of available players. I'm then making another spreadsheet of each team's roster and adding to that as they draft, and using it next season to make sure all their keepers/cuts/retirees/trades/drafts have been accounted for. Does anyone care to speak to this process and any time-saving techniques they've come up with?
if you wait for all the keepers to be in, you can make a big list of them and then do a vlookup against the full player list and easily get rid of all the keepers.

That vlookup sounds like what I need to learn how to do. Never heard of that before.
12/11/2021 4:52 PM
Posted by 06gsp on 12/11/2021 1:38:00 PM (view original):
Posted by mattedesa on 12/11/2021 10:54:00 AM (view original):
I totally agree on the communication issue. Thankfully the league creator worked out the vast majority of the details and posted those. We've had polls on a couple potential rule tweaks. I try to give everyone plenty of notice on deadlines, drafts, etc.

My bigger concern is trying to keep all of the rosters, keepers, etc. straight. It just takes so blasted long and I feel like I'm always missing something. Is there a simpler way to set up the list of draft availables and double check everyone's rosters? I'm currently making a spreadsheet of all players from a particular year, then one-by-one removing them as people put up their keeper lists, leaving me with a list of available players. I'm then making another spreadsheet of each team's roster and adding to that as they draft, and using it next season to make sure all their keepers/cuts/retirees/trades/drafts have been accounted for. Does anyone care to speak to this process and any time-saving techniques they've come up with?
if you wait for all the keepers to be in, you can make a big list of them and then do a vlookup against the full player list and easily get rid of all the keepers.

I am fairly good with excel - but have never done this. Anyone have a good tutorial/rundown on how to apply this for keepers/AP list?
12/26/2021 11:20 PM
12/27/2021 9:38 AM
Thanks!
12/27/2021 10:14 AM
Posted by bagchucker on 12/11/2021 1:10:00 PM (view original):
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What happens when an owner trades (say) a 4th round pick, and then posts 23 keepers (this is an issue over which there are profound differences of opinion)?

"

omg my bff

this one used to make me so angry

you trade your next year 3rd 4th 5th during the season, helping you to the pennant with a bullpen arm and a pinch hitter

then later when its keeper time you keep 24

my blood pressure is rising right now



ommmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
No point in rehashing this debate...suffice to say that bagchucker and I profoundly disagree on this. See this thread (starting page 4) where the issue is discussed in detail, to no resolution: https://www.whatifsports.com/forums/Posts.aspx?topicID=435854
12/27/2021 3:05 PM
Posted by contrarian23 on 12/27/2021 3:05:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bagchucker on 12/11/2021 1:10:00 PM (view original):
"
What happens when an owner trades (say) a 4th round pick, and then posts 23 keepers (this is an issue over which there are profound differences of opinion)?

"

omg my bff

this one used to make me so angry

you trade your next year 3rd 4th 5th during the season, helping you to the pennant with a bullpen arm and a pinch hitter

then later when its keeper time you keep 24

my blood pressure is rising right now



ommmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
No point in rehashing this debate...suffice to say that bagchucker and I profoundly disagree on this. See this thread (starting page 4) where the issue is discussed in detail, to no resolution: https://www.whatifsports.com/forums/Posts.aspx?topicID=435854
I see both sides on that one, and personally don’t care either way so long as it’s spelled out in the rules so I know what I need to do keeper-wise and what I can/can’t offer trade-wise.
12/27/2021 6:59 PM
Bump for reference.
10/30/2024 2:42 PM
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