MANUALLY RANKING PROSPECTS
Assuming I have a top 15 or so draft pick, I want to carefully rank my first few players so that I am absolutely certain the guy I draft with that first pick will be a stud. If I do not have a high first round pick, or for all players below the number of my first round pick, I am not quite as careful.
Since Salem has pick #21, I will probably start by testing csherwood’s ranking method with the top 25 prospects. The same can be said for Oakland, with the 2nd overall pick. Ideally, I’ll have enough time to do the top 25 in both places and then go back and expand my search.
The way I rank players is very simply to load up the Manual Ranking screen and use the "profile" button on it to look at each guy in the order I see them. If the guy looks like a good prospect, I leave him where he is. If he is total garbage, I use the double arrow to drop him to the bottom. If he is ok, but not good enough to be close to the other guys I have recently previewed, I drop him down 10-20 spots with the single down arrow. If a guy looks a lot better than guys I have recently looked at, I push him up a handful of spots with the single up arrow.
This seems like a fairly straightforward strategy, but also highly dependent on a decent scouting budget. In the original thread, csherwood notes that he always uses $14M scouting which is likely enough to get a good idea of a player’s quality even with the fuzzier ratings following the latest update. My Salem squad has $10M in advanced, which means that using this strategy won’t be as effective as it would be with the ideal $14M but it’s going to be close enough this time around. The other thing I need to do is decide what constitutes “total garbage”, “a good prospect”, and an “OK” prospect. At $10M in advanced plus fuzzy ratings, I’m going to estimate a drop in OVR of about 10 points for most guys. While there are certainly exceptions, I tend to think of any OVR under 50 as “total garbage”, 51-59 as career minor leaguers, 60-69 as bench guys, 70-79 as starters and 80+ as “studs.”
Using this as a guideline, I will therefore take the following approach: guys whose OVR rating minus 10 points = 50 or less: double down arrow, 51-59 = down 10 spots, 60-69: single down arrow, 70-79: up 10 spots, 80+: double up arrow. As previously mentioned, I will start with the top 25 and then move over to Oakland and repeat the process. Hopefully at that point I’ll have time to come back over here and evaluate players 26-50.
Just to make sure that the results were somewhat reasonable, I ended up starting with the top 10 guys on the draft board. After assessing them and making the moves in the proper order (ie keeping #1 at #1, dropping #2 down one, dropping #3 down 10, moving #4 up 10 etc) I ended up with the following order for my top 10: #6, #4, #1, #2, #7, #8, #9, #10, #11. That makes pretty good sense to me...some guys are a little underrated, some a little overrated and most in a pretty logical order. So far this way less intensive than how I usually approach the draft and seems to have more or less the same results. Onto #11-25.
Yep. This is definitely the way to go...the results this method gave me look similar to the ones that I probably would have gotten using my old method, but it was a million times quicker. It also takes out a lot of the guesswork that my other method used, and once I nail down for sure how much the fuzzy ratings effect advanced scouting metrics at the $14M level it should be scarily accurate.
I also happen to have $10M in Advanced Scouting in Oakland, so that’s going to work out really well in terms of knowing that I can be equally confident in both sets of ratings before and after signing everyone. The one flaw that I found with this system is that if there is a clear-cut #1, he’ll get bumped down by those who get the “up 10” treatment within the top 10 and/or if the #2 guy gets bumped up at all. This was the case here, as a guy I’d view as a clear top choice ended up in the 7th spot after making adjustments to those around him.
It’s not a big deal, because I just bumped him back up to the top after everything else was done, but it is something to watch out for. Similarly, there are going to be role guys (like defensive wizards or DHs) with fairly low OVR’s that you might need to move around a bit. However, in Oakland it looks like it’s just the one adjustment for now.
My point is to basically have players of similar quality grouped with one another, so that when it comes my turn to pick, I get someone of similar quality. Yes, I may be able to do better if I made certain that each guy was in an exact order, but that would take 5 times as long. I normally can get my top 50 players set in about 20 minutes, and then get then next 50 in another 20 minute shift with this system.
100% can confirm this...I didn’t put a clock on my ranking session for the first 25 guys here, but I’ll do that for Oakland and report back. I just finished going through the top 25 guys for my Oakland squad in about 12 minutes...there are probably going to be a few adjustments that I’ll make, but for the most part I agreed with the list that was generated this way. My old method probably would have seen me get through 4 or 5 guys in 12 minutes rather than 25, so even with the adjustments that I need to make this is significantly quicker. 10/10 would recommend if you don’t already do something similar. Just to circle back and prove csherwoods’ hypothesis, that would mean I could get through 50 players in 24 minutes, so his guess that it takes “about 20 minutes” to do 50 guys is correct.
I stop after I have manually ranked 100 guys (which normally means a review of 150+ players because a lot of guys get dumped to the bottom of the list for being garbage). By the time I get into the 80s or so, I have to start to stretch to find any reason why the guy may have an outside shot at the big leagues. Therefore, after the top 100, odds are you are only looking at career minor leaguers anyhow, so I don't really care who I draft at that point.
The way I interpret that is that he stops when he’s found 100 guys who don’t fall into the “garbage” category. After looking at the top 50 guys, there are five who have been given the boot into the “garbage” category...which means I’m at 45 ranked and 55 to go. Out of the top hundred, 83 are “rankable.” So now, I’ll extend my search by groups of 50 until I’ve found 17 more guys who rate as “not garbage.” That is, if there are 17 such guys out there...which I doubt, but I have the time to check so I’m going to play it safe. As I got deeper into the draft pool, I started to notice a pattern in OVR rankings, and made notes about the guys who broke the pattern. Those guys got added to my draft list, until I had a group of 100 “rankable” prospects. The last of the rankables checked in at #252 overall.
Oakland’s scouting department has tabbed 49 of the first 50 guys as rankable, so if this trend continues I won’t have to do much more to get to 100...let’s see how 51-100 shakes out. After looking at the top 100, there were 89 rankable players on Oakland’s list, leaving me with 11 to find. That should be much more doable since I’m 50 players behind Salem right now. Turns out that I had 100 “rankable” guys here after going through 117 prospects. For #s 51-117, I simply looked for the guys who look like they can contribute on the ML level and moved them up to be with guys of a similar potential in the top 50.