What is every one's opinion about speed and elu for pass coverage? I tend to look at speed more, but I'm probably wrong

I don't look at elusiveness at all for a DB.

Yeah I kinda look at speed more than elusiveness as well.......both if I can get em!!!!!!

I have long wondered about this question.

The default GD ratings and the GUESS ratings completely ignore Elusiveness for defensive players. Yet, Joe Conte indicated that Elusiveness is a factor for defensive players - and sometimes a primary factor, like for DEs rushing the passer.

In an interview with Bob Hazelwood (of GUESS Ratings fame), Conte excluded Elusiveness from the Primary Attributes for DBs, but he seemed to include Elusiveness as a Secondary Attribute for DBs. Conte specifically described Elusiveness as "highly important" for Corners and "moderately important" for Safeties.

Based on that, I have been using the following hierarchy for DB attributes:
Primary Attributes: GI and SPD
Secondary Attributes: ATH, ELU, TECH, HANDS, STR and TKL

How about the rest of you? From your experience, how much weight should be put on Elusiveness for DBs?

Posted by Armchair on 6/19/2024 12:03:00 PM (view original):
I have long wondered about this question.

The default GD ratings and the GUESS ratings completely ignore Elusiveness for defensive players. Yet, Joe Conte indicated that Elusiveness is a factor for defensive players - and sometimes a primary factor, like for DEs rushing the passer.

In an interview with Bob Hazelwood (of GUESS Ratings fame), Conte excluded Elusiveness from the Primary Attributes for DBs, but he seemed to include Elusiveness as a Secondary Attribute for DBs. Conte specifically described Elusiveness as "highly important" for Corners and "moderately important" for Safeties.

Based on that, I have been using the following hierarchy for DB attributes:
Primary Attributes: GI and SPD
Secondary Attributes: ATH, ELU, TECH, HANDS, STR and TKL

How about the rest of you? From your experience, how much weight should be put on Elusiveness for DBs?

But the engine was completely redone after Joe Conte left....so, I don't think any of that old info is still good.

In any case, I don't even look at ELU for DBs.

With the type of program harriswb3 runs he should value ELU at all positions so his boys can dodge the cops. :)

Posted by Spartan56 on 6/19/2024 10:35:00 PM (view original):
With the type of program harriswb3 runs he should value ELU at all positions so his boys can dodge the cops. :)

It's now spilling over to the forums! LOL

An excellent point by the way! :)

Spd + GI or GI and Spd are my main factors. Secondary tackling , ath, tech. and str(for tackling

Elu weighs somewhere between 0-3% into player card role values for DB/S/CB

wow really? How did you come up with this number ? Interesting

Wow. That is significantly lower than expected. So that would support the notion that ELU is no longer meaningful for DBs in this new/revised game engine.

Since Ath is an attribute you train for since it is an important secondary attribute, you automatically are training for Elus. Whether that makes a diff in effectiveness in a db or not is anyone's guess.

Posted by kevsgirl on 6/23/2024 7:55:00 AM (view original):
wow really? How did you come up with this number ? Interesting

formulas are solvable

Similar to real football, we see Speed helping special teams.