Posted by ddollison on 2/24/2024 3:06:00 PM (view original):
Losing the Backyard Brawl 97-0 now? You'd be "escorted" out of Morgantown at the end of the Mountaineer's musket.

See my point above ^

Posted by AlekTX2020 on 2/24/2024 3:12:00 PM (view original):
John seems like you’re reaching very far to be correct. I do care about winning, but no matter what I do with my team my ceiling this season is 5-8. The other 8 big East schools are far superior at the moment. I could play my seniors and lose by 30 compared to 90, but a loss is still a loss. The only advantage from that is being ranked slightly better. What does that do for my future? My goal is increase my freshman classes work ethic, figure out how to maximize their FIQ and core points to be ready for year 2 and definitely by year 3. It’s very realistic for a coach to do something like this. My biggest gripe about big classes is abandoning your team after a big class. Or using it when there’s no reason to. SD does this with big schools too, sacrificing himself for 3 seasons just to peak 1 season. It’s just silly man, all I’m asking is for is a cap.

I’m running sweeps and QB draws because my FIQ is too low to throw with. QB subbing is smart. Fire and injuries are turned off. If they were turned ON I would have a different strategy to avoid being fired. QB subbing is way down the list of loopholes. Art Briles of Baylor used to tell his receivers to stay there while the other side of the field worked combinations to get a rest.

Look how hard you have to work to replicate my success! You already whined about how hard it was to recruit the big class on the big east board, so you know now that only a patient, experienced coach can do it. Now you're pontificating in detail about your plan to win NC with them. Your ideas about maximizing WE and FIQ with massive freshman playing time are interesting. I can usually make the playoffs with my big freshman class or at least come close, but you correctly point out that you're not going to win a single conference game this season no matter what you do. Usually when I stack a class, there are some SIMs in the conference and, with an upset or two, I can maybe sneak into the top 30. You're obviously a smart coach and you're putting some interesting twists on the idea, as other coaches who have tried managing the big class have done. All I ever said was that it's not easy and it's not a magic cheat to a NC. You're showing everyone that it isn't, and I appreciate that. As far as your inevitable success when your big class are seniors? We'll see.

Posted by AlekTX2020 on 2/24/2024 3:13:00 PM (view original):

Posted by ddollison on 2/24/2024 3:06:00 PM (view original):
Losing the Backyard Brawl 97-0 now? You'd be "escorted" out of Morgantown at the end of the Mountaineer's musket.

See my point above ^

Uh, the point that you use a strategy that would never be employed in real life that might be beneficial on this game? That's fine, go for it if you think it'll work. Not saying you're cheating or anything. But in real life you'd literally be run out of Morgantown with a score and record like that. So don't call out other coaches using strategies that might not be "real life" strategies that may work on this game. Stop being a hypocrite.

Posted by sportsdouche on 2/24/2024 4:24:00 PM (view original):

Posted by AlekTX2020 on 2/24/2024 3:12:00 PM (view original):
John seems like you’re reaching very far to be correct. I do care about winning, but no matter what I do with my team my ceiling this season is 5-8. The other 8 big East schools are far superior at the moment. I could play my seniors and lose by 30 compared to 90, but a loss is still a loss. The only advantage from that is being ranked slightly better. What does that do for my future? My goal is increase my freshman classes work ethic, figure out how to maximize their FIQ and core points to be ready for year 2 and definitely by year 3. It’s very realistic for a coach to do something like this. My biggest gripe about big classes is abandoning your team after a big class. Or using it when there’s no reason to. SD does this with big schools too, sacrificing himself for 3 seasons just to peak 1 season. It’s just silly man, all I’m asking is for is a cap.

I’m running sweeps and QB draws because my FIQ is too low to throw with. QB subbing is smart. Fire and injuries are turned off. If they were turned ON I would have a different strategy to avoid being fired. QB subbing is way down the list of loopholes. Art Briles of Baylor used to tell his receivers to stay there while the other side of the field worked combinations to get a rest.

Look how hard you have to work to replicate my success! You already whined about how hard it was to recruit the big class on the big east board, so you know now that only a patient, experienced coach can do it. Now you're pontificating in detail about your plan to win NC with them. Your ideas about maximizing WE and FIQ with massive freshman playing time are interesting. I can usually make the playoffs with my big freshman class or at least come close, but you correctly point out that you're not going to win a single conference game this season no matter what you do. Usually when I stack a class, there are some SIMs in the conference and, with an upset or two, I can maybe sneak into the top 30. You're obviously a smart coach and you're putting some interesting twists on the idea, as other coaches who have tried managing the big class have done. All I ever said was that it's not easy and it's not a magic cheat to a NC. You're showing everyone that it isn't, and I appreciate that. As far as your inevitable success when your big class are seniors? We'll see.

No, I’m pointing out the basics. It’s pretty simple. Low FIQ means going nowhere. Like I said, Maximize the potential of the program. Your overall experiences are different bc not every team has the big East Wilkinson schedule.

Posted by ddollison on 2/24/2024 5:44:00 PM (view original):

Posted by AlekTX2020 on 2/24/2024 3:13:00 PM (view original):

Posted by ddollison on 2/24/2024 3:06:00 PM (view original):
Losing the Backyard Brawl 97-0 now? You'd be "escorted" out of Morgantown at the end of the Mountaineer's musket.

See my point above ^

Uh, the point that you use a strategy that would never be employed in real life that might be beneficial on this game? That's fine, go for it if you think it'll work. Not saying you're cheating or anything. But in real life you'd literally be run out of Morgantown with a score and record like that. So don't call out other coaches using strategies that might not be "real life" strategies that may work on this game. Stop being a hypocrite.

The game doesn’t having a firing logic. Why would I be worried about being fired if it’s not implemented anymore? What are you talking about. I never talked about “real life”. Never. EVER. I never said this is not logical in “real life”. I’m saying it’s not logical in a 50 cap space game with recruiting money to let other like SD to exploit using 30-50 seniors to win 1 out of 4 seasons. In fact, Michigan Harbaugh used the big class senior class to get them to the national championship. People were upset with him so you can label it as “real life” but this is a game with a 50 scholarship cap space. It’s not like there’s 50 for G5 and 85 for P5 schools. It’s capped at 50. Nothing I’m doing is hypocritical.

In some ways the big class works against good recruiting. Suppose your conference earns each team 150k in playoff money. If you've got 12 open schollies that's 12.5k extra for each open scholarship. If you've got 30 open schollies, that's 5k per scholarship. Unless you plan on letting a third of those 30 go via AI you are at something of a disadvantage for top players.

In theory yes, but 20/30 signed is enough to win out when people like SD redshirt 9 players from the previous class. That gives you 29/39 minimum.

Posted by AlekTX2020 on 2/25/2024 2:30:00 AM (view original):
It’s a strategy yes. But 29-40 seniors, 9 of the RS is in uncalled for and should be capped. Why? FIQ. Another why? The next coach has to restructure. It ruins a lot more than you think. I’m not whining, people have their opinions and seems like the overall consensus is half and half. It’s not like I just lost to him or something and I’m dishing it out. I’m simply magnifying ideas that could better the game. My solution? Keep the strategy but add a cap.

I don’t know why we’re arguing about what’s a strategy in the game or not. It’s a loophole that needs to be capped with a more reasonable number. Oh and trust me. I have tons of ideas that can make this game great. I run two businesses, successful ones. Wanna hear my thoughts on real life college football?

Expand to a 24 team playoff. Shrink to 11 in season games. Get rid of conference championships. Rank conference based on in conference records. 2 non conference. 9 conference. 5 auto bids from P4. 4 bids from G5. First 8 have byes. First and second round are at home. Quarter finals (elite 8) have bowl locations. Elite 4 another bowl location. Championship is rotated. Bring back the Computer ranking system instead of committee. Appoint a commissioner (Andrew luck? manning?). All players have an amateur contract. Transfer school has to buy out the contract. (USC pays Pitt for Addison). Demote some G5 schools to FCS.

wild idea but could work: Final 4 and National championship at same location. One big mega fiesta. Example: Location: Jerry World
SAT JAN 14, 11 AM (Ohio State vs Alabama)
SAT JAN 14, 3 PM (USC vs Texas)
SAT JAN 21, 6 PM (Winners)

24 team playoff? Yes, let's just totally ruin things. 12 is pushing it for me, but I'll accept it with the auto bids if it keeps SEC and Big 10 from total control, which they may try for anyway. No conference championships but have auto bids? Good luck with as many teams are in conferences now sorting the tiebreakers. Computer rankings instead of committee? I actually agree, but those rankings relied on polls too, just less so and more people than 12 in a secret room. Commissioner, fine. Contracts are fine, but how about the player who blossoms between JR and SR year? Agree the Portal needs controlled better, hence the commissioner idea might help. Why demote G5 to FCS? That doesn't really fix the biggest issues.

Back to class stacking here. Why is it uncalled for? I told you the better fix for FIQ is to have it's growth largely plateauing after 2 years, maybe even a good bit after 1, in the system (start of JR year). That's much more realistic than FR and SO QB's tossing picks left and right even if they have elite skills. If FIQ is your issue, fix it directly, not just something that only has an indirect consequence of it. The redshirt limit, as I also said, already deters the strategy, and I'd like that maybe raised to 5 or gone altogether.

I never thought of fixing the other issues directly like FIQ and RS’s. Although I like RS’s it’s another strategy layer. But yeah, if you could fix those issues then the big class strategy is no big deal. I just know SD and others will RS 8-9 SOPH’s to add to that big class. If all the starters have 90 FIQ SR’s that’s almost impossible to fight against. Unless that 20 class is full of weak seniors which with all that money, especially playoff money seems unlikely.

but yeah 24 team playoff, because you’re having schools fight there way into the SEC and BIG bc it’s the same schools that are making it into the 4 team playoff. 12 team playoff will fix some things but I think if you have 24 spots for 110 teams that will give everyone “HOPE” so most schools don’t feel obligated to switch conferences feeling like they will be left out. It’ll create more parity. The other issue is TV revenue - revenue in general.. all of these FCS schools and new programs have jumped to D1 to get a piece of the pie but they bring no value. Some don’t even have 10,000 in attendance, they just don’t belong (UMass, Sam Houston State, Eastern Michigan). The big schools are already trying to seperate themselves if nothing is done about it they’re going to push the G5 out of the playoffs and say “make your own playoff” which is essentially what the FCS was created for. So now you will have P4, G5, FCS, D2, D3. But if you create 24 team playoff then a Boise State can go into Columbus and have a fighting chance. The computer system was the coaches poll, AP poll, stats, etc all into one which less bias. It had more people and numbers to spit out the best rankings. Auto bids for the top 5 teams in each conference. Tie breakers are head to head followed by points gained minutes points allowed. So points in the games will matter. Every game will still matter. If Ohio State doesn’t beat Purdue by 50 then it may give a chance for Michigan to beat down on Illinois that week and get the number 1 seed if they’re both undefeated that kind of thing.

Strategies have pros and cons. If all you care about is winning NCs, then unbalanced classes probably give you a better shot to win than balanced ones, particularly at non-elites. If you care about competing year-in-year-out and bringing in the most talent, then balanced classes are better. You end up wasting a lot of recruiting money if you go unbalanced, and you really live in an all or nothing world. I see nothing wrong with either approach.

One thing I find interesting is going above 22 scholarships per season. It strikes me the perfect balanced may be lining up your school to go 22-3-22-3 so you have 22 seniors every other year and still have 3 recruits per season to maximize the value of redshirting. That way you get to really compete every season still (always have 25 upper and 25 lower classmen, but still have spikes). @SD given you've been at the unbalanced thing for a while, is there a reason not to do this?

Posted by ddollison on 2/25/2024 7:47:00 AM (view original):

Posted by AlekTX2020 on 2/25/2024 2:30:00 AM (view original):
It’s a strategy yes. But 29-40 seniors, 9 of the RS is in uncalled for and should be capped. Why? FIQ. Another why? The next coach has to restructure. It ruins a lot more than you think. I’m not whining, people have their opinions and seems like the overall consensus is half and half. It’s not like I just lost to him or something and I’m dishing it out. I’m simply magnifying ideas that could better the game. My solution? Keep the strategy but add a cap.

I don’t know why we’re arguing about what’s a strategy in the game or not. It’s a loophole that needs to be capped with a more reasonable number. Oh and trust me. I have tons of ideas that can make this game great. I run two businesses, successful ones. Wanna hear my thoughts on real life college football?

Expand to a 24 team playoff. Shrink to 11 in season games. Get rid of conference championships. Rank conference based on in conference records. 2 non conference. 9 conference. 5 auto bids from P4. 4 bids from G5. First 8 have byes. First and second round are at home. Quarter finals (elite 8) have bowl locations. Elite 4 another bowl location. Championship is rotated. Bring back the Computer ranking system instead of committee. Appoint a commissioner (Andrew luck? manning?). All players have an amateur contract. Transfer school has to buy out the contract. (USC pays Pitt for Addison). Demote some G5 schools to FCS.

wild idea but could work: Final 4 and National championship at same location. One big mega fiesta. Example: Location: Jerry World
SAT JAN 14, 11 AM (Ohio State vs Alabama)
SAT JAN 14, 3 PM (USC vs Texas)
SAT JAN 21, 6 PM (Winners)

24 team playoff? Yes, let's just totally ruin things. 12 is pushing it for me, but I'll accept it with the auto bids if it keeps SEC and Big 10 from total control, which they may try for anyway. No conference championships but have auto bids? Good luck with as many teams are in conferences now sorting the tiebreakers. Computer rankings instead of committee? I actually agree, but those rankings relied on polls too, just less so and more people than 12 in a secret room. Commissioner, fine. Contracts are fine, but how about the player who blossoms between JR and SR year? Agree the Portal needs controlled better, hence the commissioner idea might help. Why demote G5 to FCS? That doesn't really fix the biggest issues.

Back to class stacking here. Why is it uncalled for? I told you the better fix for FIQ is to have it's growth largely plateauing after 2 years, maybe even a good bit after 1, in the system (start of JR year). That's much more realistic than FR and SO QB's tossing picks left and right even if they have elite skills. If FIQ is your issue, fix it directly, not just something that only has an indirect consequence of it. The redshirt limit, as I also said, already deters the strategy, and I'd like that maybe raised to 5 or gone altogether.

I'd go to a 64 team playoff. Eliminate Conference Championship games and Bowl games.

No conferences. Six randomized regular season games. 128 team playoff with loser bracket. Television gold.

Posted by AlekTX2020 on 2/24/2024 6:11:00 PM (view original):

Posted by ddollison on 2/24/2024 5:44:00 PM (view original):

Posted by AlekTX2020 on 2/24/2024 3:13:00 PM (view original):

Posted by ddollison on 2/24/2024 3:06:00 PM (view original):
Losing the Backyard Brawl 97-0 now? You'd be "escorted" out of Morgantown at the end of the Mountaineer's musket.

See my point above ^

Uh, the point that you use a strategy that would never be employed in real life that might be beneficial on this game? That's fine, go for it if you think it'll work. Not saying you're cheating or anything. But in real life you'd literally be run out of Morgantown with a score and record like that. So don't call out other coaches using strategies that might not be "real life" strategies that may work on this game. Stop being a hypocrite.

The game doesn’t having a firing logic. Why would I be worried about being fired if it’s not implemented anymore? What are you talking about. I never talked about “real life”. Never. EVER. I never said this is not logical in “real life”. I’m saying it’s not logical in a 50 cap space game with recruiting money to let other like SD to exploit using 30-50 seniors to win 1 out of 4 seasons. In fact, Michigan Harbaugh used the big class senior class to get them to the national championship. People were upset with him so you can label it as “real life” but this is a game with a 50 scholarship cap space. It’s not like there’s 50 for G5 and 85 for P5 schools. It’s capped at 50. Nothing I’m doing is hypocritical.

For the record, Michigan had 15 seniors and 16 graduates on the roster (many who weren't even starters). Defensively they had 5 sophomores who started (Mason Graham, Kenneth Grant, Derrick Moore, Ernest Hausmann, Will Johnson) and many others who contributed like Sabb. The core of that defense is back in 2024 so age was definitely not the reason why Michigan won a championship.
If any team used a big senior class to get to the title it was Washington. They only have 5 players who started the national championship who are returning next season.