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Posted by ksparks on 10/19/2023 3:19:00 PM (view original):
Welp....I guess I can let this thread die now. It was fun while it lasted.

Speak bro. All you guys who talked sh*t speak! This is your moment! It goes to show how hypocritical you haters are. So dang quiet for us being 11-0.

They're just being patient. Because they know, at some point, the fall is coming.

receipts

Oh my 15-1 is terrible. How will I ever rebound from this.

Lots of coaches go 15-1 and lose in the second or third round. It's a nice run and usually, other coaches would look forward to reaching out and congratulating you for doing so well at MSU, a tough job. But you set these standards - "Is Mississippi State elite?" No, it isn't. Far from it.

You won’t be able to go 15-1 with MSU even in a smaller world. You’re already struggling with them.

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Posted by ksparks on 10/19/2023 3:19:00 PM (view original):
Welp....I guess I can let this thread die now. It was fun while it lasted.

Speak bro. All you guys who talked sh*t speak! This is your moment! It goes to show how hypocritical you haters are. So dang quiet for us being 11-0.

They're just being patient. Because they know, at some point, the fall is coming.

receipts

Oh my 15-1 is terrible. How will I ever rebound from this.

Lots of coaches go 15-1 and lose in the second or third round. It's a nice run and usually, other coaches would look forward to reaching out and congratulating you for doing so well at MSU, a tough job. But you set these standards - "Is Mississippi State elite?" No, it isn't. Far from it.

15-1, being conference champions, beating

Miami
LSU
Alabama
Florida
Temple

safe to say if we’re not elite then nobody is. Good try dips*its

This is just the beginning.

You've not once had a top 8 finish. You need those on at least a semi-consistent basis to even be considered as a potential elite.

Elite is top 14 dude.

If we’re going with your logic only Penn State, Tennessee, Texas are elite. Get lost. Join if you’re going to keep yapping like a little dog that you are.

The top 14 Elite thing is only a factor in recruiting and is non-changing. Many complain about it. Results are what make the real elites. You had a nice season but not an elite one.

4 season prestige

1. Texas (70-2) ?? ?? x15 pws (elite)
2. Penn State (68-3) ?? x14 pws (elite)
3. TENN (64-4) ?? x10 pws (elite)
4. Rutgers (62-5) x9 pws
5. Michigan (54-11) x10 pws (elite)
6. OU (54-10) x7 pws (elite)
7. Notre Dame (51-12) x9 pws (elite)
8. UNC (52-11) x6 pws
9. LSU (50-11) x5 pws (elite)
10. USC (50-12) x3 pws (elite)
11. NEB (51-11) 3x pws (elite)
12. BC (47-13) x3 pws
13. MS STATE (48-12) x2 pws ••••••••••
14. Ohio State (46-13) x4 pws (elite)
15. CAL (48-14) x3 pws
16. Missouri (45-14) 3x pws
17. BAMA (42-15) x3 pws (elite)
18. Florida (45-13) x1 pws (elite)
19. FSU (40-19) x2 pws (elite)
20. Miami (38-19) x1 pws (elite

Posted by AlekTX2020 on 11/24/2023 7:10:00 PM (view original):
We’re 5-0 against Florida. 3-0 against Miami. 3-1 against Florida State. This job is better than Nebraska and Florida State. I would argue it might be better than Florida.

Beat cebrake, beat kensei, beat mpmershon, or chetty, or hookem or one of the other top coaches. Beat them regularly and then you’re elite. Stop naming schools like it doesn’t matter who the coaches are.

This is about MSU and schools. Not about the coaches prestige. Read the title. Moron. Nobody is going to routinely beat the top 4 programs/coaches. Get a grip. Better yet stfu and schedule me. You’re a pathetic coach on here who stacks his roster and boast about his titles. It shows how weak you are.

Let’s talk about your MSU team in your beta world. 15-1 will never happen to you bro, sorry about it. Go stack the roster bc that will be the only way you’ll sniff me.

Posted by AlekTX2020 on 11/25/2023 12:49:00 AM (view original):
This is about MSU and schools. Not about the coaches prestige. Read the title. Moron. Nobody is going to routinely beat the top 4 programs/coaches. Get a grip. Better yet stfu and schedule me. You’re a pathetic coach on here who stacks his roster and boast about his titles. It shows how weak you are.

So, in the real world, is anybody gonna give a second thought if you beat Nebraska right now? Florida? They're elites on this game. Georgia is not. But you beat them and you've done something. But even doing so today would not make Georgia Tech an elite, just 7-5. A lot more goes into it. You obviously don't get it.

Oregon in the real world is a good case study on elite v non-elite. Right now they are 11-1 and will be ranked in the top 5-6 next week with a chance at the playoff if they beat Washington. They are not elite right now. They can maybe be by making the playoff, certainly by winning it. I would have considered them an elite '09-'14 but not the past few years. Very good program just not elite at the moment though close.

My Mountaineers won 70 games in 7 seasons from '05-'11 and 3 BCS Bowls. They were very good but not an elite.

USC hasn't been a true elite since Pete Carroll left. Texas the same since about '09, though having a good season this year. Also Florida. Miami since '03. Nebraska since '01. Tennessee maybe the same. Notre Dame you could maybe give them '17-'21 but other than that not since Holtz. Michigan had a long gap till the past 3 seasons, they're kind of back as an elite. Penn St is similar to Notre Dame. Lots of great seasons, some together, but never really top tier. LSU is not quite elite at the moment, but they have been large chunks of this century. Florida St has not been elite since '16 but they're trying to work their way back if they have another season or two close to this one.

Oklahoma could be considered elite as they've dominated the Big 12 largely and been top 10 alot, though not at the same levels as Alabama and Ohio St currently. That's the 14. Maybe 2 premium elites, with OU, Michigan, and LSU having claims but not at the level of the top 2. Outside of that, Clemson and Georgia can make a claim, though Clemson needs to start rebounding soon. Possibly Oregon.

So I'd only consider 5-6 teams truly currently elite in the real world, despite those other 'elites' still being able to recruit off past reputation, the way GD actually kind of hits the mark on, they just miss on other schools being able to get up there for stretches. Current elites are Georgia, Alabama, Ohio St, Michigan, Clemson, Oklahoma. If your MSU team is an elite, then probably 15-20 schools could make a claim currently. Actually, the 12 team playoff will be very good at determining real world elites. Making the playoffs at least half the time and winning at least some of those games would be a good barometer. In other words, being a quarterfinalist multiple times in a 5 year span should be the floor.

I’m not talking about real world or other coaches. I’m talking about program prestige in this game and how non elite schools match the amount of prestige points with other elites in recruiting. It’s safe to assume if I sent as many CV’s to a recruit and I’m battling Florida, Florida State, Nebraska, Miami I would be above them or at equal lengths. I know the system values conference prestige/strength so going 15-1 in the SEC will serve me more points than North Texas, Rutgers and California bc the conferences are weaker. It probably adds value to playoff wins so I’m below average there but not to equals of the underperforming elite schools. So I would consider MSU an elite job, but the schedule is tough so if I left I bet no coaches would want to take it.

The community a long time ago came to a conclusion the elite prestige points looked similar to this;

Estimate as of Season 199
Elites (100-120) TX: 120 FSU: 100
P5 (90-110) MSU: 110 Purdue: 90
G5 (80-100) UNT: 100 Montana: 80

Posted by AlekTX2020 on 11/25/2023 12:11:00 PM (view original):
The community a long time ago came to a conclusion the elite prestige points looked similar to this;

Estimate as of Season 199
Elites (100-120) TX: 120 FSU: 100
P5 (90-110) MSU: 110 Purdue: 90
G5 (80-100) UNT: 100 Montana: 80

Both Rutgers and UNC are still going in the playoffs. You are not the top non-elite point getter if such a system actually exists. I'd think a 3rd round playoff would be like losing a Level 5 Bowl from that era. In other words, the minimum for elite.

They’re examples! UNC, Rutgers and MSU are probably all the same. Max’d out at 110. Or I might be 108 or something like that but conference prestige also plays a factor. I probably will get the same amount of points if not more than Rutgers bc the big East is hot garbage right now. With that in mind, say UNC is 110, Rutgers 108, MSU 108, I have $100k in money where UNC has $80k, Rutgers $44k. So you can also say 108 MSU with $60k more money is a better program.

The cinderella season has come to an end for Miss St. Nice run there Alex, madhatter was just a bit too much. But, good momentum going into next season.

Thank you, I enjoyed MSU since the Mike Leach Passing. Hard to beat LSU twice, especially when you’re trying to decide to leave the game plan the way it is or change it. Fun fact for the haters, look up UNC’s last national title.

Alek - What you have accomplished at Miss St is impressive but you are greatly overeating your accomplishments into something that is rare. You should be happy with the progress and the opportunity to keep building to consistent 3rd round and maybe even a Final 4 NC Game appearance.

1. Only count the toughest schedules, who beat 5 elites?
2. Only count the ones with the strongest conference in the division
3. Only count the ones with historically low wins as a program
4. Stagg, Dobie, Hays have 35ish coaches to Leahy and Wilkinsons 50. Those worlds is easier.
5. G5 Schools don't count. Most go sim until the CC bc lack of coaches. Plus easier schedules!


6. I dont care, I'm not comparing others success. I'm hyping up MSU to my HATERS