Posted by Lennybruce26 on 7/19/2023 11:12:00 AM (view original):
Let’s start at 1947-8 because if we are going to deal strictly in reality that’s where we start and go to the Palestinian right of return since the first war and see very very clearly how one demand has destroyed every attempt of peace. Especially the Clinton effort that was finished - yes there was a peace agreement until Arafat demanded the totally impossible right of return of scores of millions at the very end after everything else including Jerusalem was tied up. If it wasn’t finished it was 99% done.
Clinton was ready to be crowned savior until that happened and thus his comments about how Arafat made him humiliated and feel like a fool.
Same ever since until Israel just ended up snapping ( a bad thing ) when the right wing took control and now the chances of a peace process is like one of us winning the power ball.
I think it was 2008 when the Palestinians were warned
that it was the final opportunity before the right wingers took over and it was literally the honest truth that they were told.
I am a big detester of Netanyahu and the whole FU right wing mentality and I won’t defend him and the settlers BUT it takes 2 to tango and the Palestinians were warned repeatedly with sincerity what was going to happen and they rejected the advice of the United States and other democracies around the world.
I commend the Wikipedia article on the Palestinian right of return.
some who are not familiar with it I will give this terse verse of the curse of the worst idea any peacemaker could ever devise.
Here it is - somewhere in the neighborhood of at least 5 million Palestinians including those that settled in other countries would be able to enter Israel and become automatic citizens. Obviously they would take over the country.
There are those who agree with glee that they should be able to physically and religiously and militarily destroy the Jewish state and I will sit back and let them have their go at it.
But it cannot be argued that there could ever be peace if that remains a demand.
At various times Israel was willing to let I think it was 250,000 mostly older Palestinians return as full citizens.
The right of return remaining extant is the - reason why the peace process is dead.
It is the dirty stinkin secret of the real story.
typed but not read
dog can find spelling errors and typos.
Fair commentary and I think I can safely agree with most of it.
I was reacting to bags making elemtary school deduction to a problem that is multi-faceted and complex.
There's a psychology in that part of the world that is not conducive to peace...even if a peace agreement was signed, I don't believe it would last long. Militant, fundamentalist Muslims on one side and militant, expansionist Zionists on the other is not a recipe for peace. Those extremes, even though they probably make up a small percentage of all Muslims and all Isrealis, would never accept anything but total victory over their adversary. Never.
I don't use the word Palestinian because there is no such thing. Palestine was an Ottoman province, not a soverign country.
7/19/2023 1:12 PM (edited)