I entered my teams this morning and saw that there were still 5 or 6 people who hadn't entered. So I went back to the spreadsheets, found a build that I thought might be better than what I was using, and so pulled them to sleep on it. Got up, decided to start from scratch and ended up going with that build. Teams are entered.

Go Eagles!

How it ended up, weighted for 19,680 minute & usage when appropriate:

	usg%	efg%	ast%	orb%	drb%	crb%	stocks	tov%	3pm	def	pf48
Team 1	100.6	54.7	58.8	34.9	102.5	137.4	18.6	12.6	490	71.3	17.37
Team 2	105.0	55.0	66.6	36.1	95.4	131.6	17.7	12.1	535	72.4	16.78
Team 3	103.2	55.1	64.0	39.3	91.2	130.5	16.9	12.3	532	70.7	17.31
Team 4	106.1	54.0	62.0	35.7	96.3	132.0	18.0	11.9	557	71.1	16.71
Team 5	104.9	52.8	59.6	33.2	94.9	128.1	18.1	11.4	573	75.3	16.29
Avg	104.0	54.3	62.2	35.8	96.1	131.9	17.9	12.1	538	72.1	16.89

I'm not exactly happy, but I also don't hate it. A 72.1 average defense ain't bad for a team that drafted Jokic in the first round. My towels are superb. Efg% is pretty average, as is rebounding. There's some flexibility (I can raise assists on those teams below 60; I can get way more threes on the 490 3pm; I can bring up efg & rebounds in team 4 but lose defense; etc) but it's nothing that is going to turn a 30 win team into a 50 win team or anything. I have no idea how it really ends up.

(here's just the starters)

	usg	efg%	ast%	orb%	drb%	crb%	stocks	tov%		def
Team 1	100.4	56.3	65.3	41.4	108.1	149.5	20.5	13.6		73.4
Team 2	100.3	55.4	71.4	38.8	103.3	142.1	17.1	13.0		71.4
Team 3	100.2	55.9	69.7	39.3	94.2	133.5	19.0	13.0		74.0
Team 4	104.1	54.1	64.6	36.9	100.1	137.0	18.5	12.4		70.8
Team 5	108.6	52.2	64.8	33.4	99.7	128.1	19.0	11.8		78.4

It seems to me that you really don't know what you are doing. Maybe you should go back and read those threads about team building and usage and all of that stuff. They're really good.

I heard the guy that wrote them is washed up.

Posted by ashamael on 2/11/2023 11:17:00 PM (view original):
How it ended up, weighted for 19,680 minute & usage when appropriate:

	usg%	efg%	ast%	orb%	drb%	crb%	stocks	tov%	3pm	def	pf48
Team 1	100.6	54.7	58.8	34.9	102.5	137.4	18.6	12.6	490	71.3	17.37
Team 2	105.0	55.0	66.6	36.1	95.4	131.6	17.7	12.1	535	72.4	16.78
Team 3	103.2	55.1	64.0	39.3	91.2	130.5	16.9	12.3	532	70.7	17.31
Team 4	106.1	54.0	62.0	35.7	96.3	132.0	18.0	11.9	557	71.1	16.71
Team 5	104.9	52.8	59.6	33.2	94.9	128.1	18.1	11.4	573	75.3	16.29
Avg	104.0	54.3	62.2	35.8	96.1	131.9	17.9	12.1	538	72.1	16.89

I'm not exactly happy, but I also don't hate it. A 72.1 average defense ain't bad for a team that drafted Jokic in the first round. My towels are superb. Efg% is pretty average, as is rebounding. There's some flexibility (I can raise assists on those teams below 60; I can get way more threes on the 490 3pm; I can bring up efg & rebounds in team 4 but lose defense; etc) but it's nothing that is going to turn a 30 win team into a 50 win team or anything. I have no idea how it really ends up.

(here's just the starters)

	usg	efg%	ast%	orb%	drb%	crb%	stocks	tov%		def
Team 1	100.4	56.3	65.3	41.4	108.1	149.5	20.5	13.6		73.4
Team 2	100.3	55.4	71.4	38.8	103.3	142.1	17.1	13.0		71.4
Team 3	100.2	55.9	69.7	39.3	94.2	133.5	19.0	13.0		74.0
Team 4	104.1	54.1	64.6	36.9	100.1	137.0	18.5	12.4		70.8
Team 5	108.6	52.2	64.8	33.4	99.7	128.1	19.0	11.8		78.4

I think it looks good, or by comparison my team could be in trouble. Pretty much the only thing I consistently have on you is defense. Curious question on a couple things you're doing with your spreadsheet, at the risk of not giving away secrets... is that the straight usage of your players or are you doing some adjustment? I'd have thought it would be higher. And when you say weighted for 19K, do you mean you prorate the bench player contributions to the category by the percentage of assumed floor time?

Let’s say you have a team that barely has over 100 usage. Let’s say that due to the randomness of the SIM, some of your players will shoot too much in any given game and some will shoot less than they should. Aren’t the players who shoot too much subject to an individual penalty for that game? Isn’t your whole team’s shooting percentage for the season going to suffer because over the course of the season there is a chance that one or two players will hit penalty level? Isn’t this why you said that ideally you’re better off with 105 to 110 percent usage?

You can add to that the good chance that players will shoot too much anyway since they do not shoot as many free throws as they did IRL.

It seems to me that if you have 100.6% usage combined with 58.8% assists you’re just asking for trouble.

Posted by jcred5 on 2/12/2023 8:44:00 AM (view original):

Posted by ashamael on 2/11/2023 11:17:00 PM (view original):
How it ended up, weighted for 19,680 minute & usage when appropriate:

	usg%	efg%	ast%	orb%	drb%	crb%	stocks	tov%	3pm	def	pf48
Team 1	100.6	54.7	58.8	34.9	102.5	137.4	18.6	12.6	490	71.3	17.37
Team 2	105.0	55.0	66.6	36.1	95.4	131.6	17.7	12.1	535	72.4	16.78
Team 3	103.2	55.1	64.0	39.3	91.2	130.5	16.9	12.3	532	70.7	17.31
Team 4	106.1	54.0	62.0	35.7	96.3	132.0	18.0	11.9	557	71.1	16.71
Team 5	104.9	52.8	59.6	33.2	94.9	128.1	18.1	11.4	573	75.3	16.29
Avg	104.0	54.3	62.2	35.8	96.1	131.9	17.9	12.1	538	72.1	16.89

I'm not exactly happy, but I also don't hate it. A 72.1 average defense ain't bad for a team that drafted Jokic in the first round. My towels are superb. Efg% is pretty average, as is rebounding. There's some flexibility (I can raise assists on those teams below 60; I can get way more threes on the 490 3pm; I can bring up efg & rebounds in team 4 but lose defense; etc) but it's nothing that is going to turn a 30 win team into a 50 win team or anything. I have no idea how it really ends up.

(here's just the starters)

	usg	efg%	ast%	orb%	drb%	crb%	stocks	tov%		def
Team 1	100.4	56.3	65.3	41.4	108.1	149.5	20.5	13.6		73.4
Team 2	100.3	55.4	71.4	38.8	103.3	142.1	17.1	13.0		71.4
Team 3	100.2	55.9	69.7	39.3	94.2	133.5	19.0	13.0		74.0
Team 4	104.1	54.1	64.6	36.9	100.1	137.0	18.5	12.4		70.8
Team 5	108.6	52.2	64.8	33.4	99.7	128.1	19.0	11.8		78.4

I think it looks good, or by comparison my team could be in trouble. Pretty much the only thing I consistently have on you is defense. Curious question on a couple things you're doing with your spreadsheet, at the risk of not giving away secrets... is that the straight usage of your players or are you doing some adjustment? I'd have thought it would be higher. And when you say weighted for 19K, do you mean you prorate the bench player contributions to the category by the percentage of assumed floor time?

"you mean you prorate the bench player contributions to the category by the percentage of assumed floor time?" - That is the way I do it.

Posted by jcred5 on 2/12/2023 8:44:00 AM (view original):

Posted by ashamael on 2/11/2023 11:17:00 PM (view original):
How it ended up, weighted for 19,680 minute & usage when appropriate:

	usg%	efg%	ast%	orb%	drb%	crb%	stocks	tov%	3pm	def	pf48
Team 1	100.6	54.7	58.8	34.9	102.5	137.4	18.6	12.6	490	71.3	17.37
Team 2	105.0	55.0	66.6	36.1	95.4	131.6	17.7	12.1	535	72.4	16.78
Team 3	103.2	55.1	64.0	39.3	91.2	130.5	16.9	12.3	532	70.7	17.31
Team 4	106.1	54.0	62.0	35.7	96.3	132.0	18.0	11.9	557	71.1	16.71
Team 5	104.9	52.8	59.6	33.2	94.9	128.1	18.1	11.4	573	75.3	16.29
Avg	104.0	54.3	62.2	35.8	96.1	131.9	17.9	12.1	538	72.1	16.89

I'm not exactly happy, but I also don't hate it. A 72.1 average defense ain't bad for a team that drafted Jokic in the first round. My towels are superb. Efg% is pretty average, as is rebounding. There's some flexibility (I can raise assists on those teams below 60; I can get way more threes on the 490 3pm; I can bring up efg & rebounds in team 4 but lose defense; etc) but it's nothing that is going to turn a 30 win team into a 50 win team or anything. I have no idea how it really ends up.

(here's just the starters)

	usg	efg%	ast%	orb%	drb%	crb%	stocks	tov%		def
Team 1	100.4	56.3	65.3	41.4	108.1	149.5	20.5	13.6		73.4
Team 2	100.3	55.4	71.4	38.8	103.3	142.1	17.1	13.0		71.4
Team 3	100.2	55.9	69.7	39.3	94.2	133.5	19.0	13.0		74.0
Team 4	104.1	54.1	64.6	36.9	100.1	137.0	18.5	12.4		70.8
Team 5	108.6	52.2	64.8	33.4	99.7	128.1	19.0	11.8		78.4

I think it looks good, or by comparison my team could be in trouble. Pretty much the only thing I consistently have on you is defense. Curious question on a couple things you're doing with your spreadsheet, at the risk of not giving away secrets... is that the straight usage of your players or are you doing some adjustment? I'd have thought it would be higher. And when you say weighted for 19K, do you mean you prorate the bench player contributions to the category by the percentage of assumed floor time?

You've got me beat on rebounding, fouls and threes. I've got you beat on shooting, assists, stocks and defense. We are even on turnovers (it's a higher number than I am used to). As usual, you have way less usage than me so you've probably more effectively spent your money. I hope it's a close one although I do not feel great about my team. I am preying for a top 10 finish but it may not be in the cards. If the last two seasons are any indication, you'll probably crush me in the regular season at the very least.

I actually had the nerve to feel good about my fouls until I saw ash’s.

Posted by jcred5 on 2/12/2023 8:44:00 AM (view original):

Posted by ashamael on 2/11/2023 11:17:00 PM (view original):
How it ended up, weighted for 19,680 minute & usage when appropriate:

	usg%	efg%	ast%	orb%	drb%	crb%	stocks	tov%	3pm	def	pf48
Team 1	100.6	54.7	58.8	34.9	102.5	137.4	18.6	12.6	490	71.3	17.37
Team 2	105.0	55.0	66.6	36.1	95.4	131.6	17.7	12.1	535	72.4	16.78
Team 3	103.2	55.1	64.0	39.3	91.2	130.5	16.9	12.3	532	70.7	17.31
Team 4	106.1	54.0	62.0	35.7	96.3	132.0	18.0	11.9	557	71.1	16.71
Team 5	104.9	52.8	59.6	33.2	94.9	128.1	18.1	11.4	573	75.3	16.29
Avg	104.0	54.3	62.2	35.8	96.1	131.9	17.9	12.1	538	72.1	16.89

I'm not exactly happy, but I also don't hate it. A 72.1 average defense ain't bad for a team that drafted Jokic in the first round. My towels are superb. Efg% is pretty average, as is rebounding. There's some flexibility (I can raise assists on those teams below 60; I can get way more threes on the 490 3pm; I can bring up efg & rebounds in team 4 but lose defense; etc) but it's nothing that is going to turn a 30 win team into a 50 win team or anything. I have no idea how it really ends up.

(here's just the starters)

	usg	efg%	ast%	orb%	drb%	crb%	stocks	tov%		def
Team 1	100.4	56.3	65.3	41.4	108.1	149.5	20.5	13.6		73.4
Team 2	100.3	55.4	71.4	38.8	103.3	142.1	17.1	13.0		71.4
Team 3	100.2	55.9	69.7	39.3	94.2	133.5	19.0	13.0		74.0
Team 4	104.1	54.1	64.6	36.9	100.1	137.0	18.5	12.4		70.8
Team 5	108.6	52.2	64.8	33.4	99.7	128.1	19.0	11.8		78.4

I think it looks good, or by comparison my team could be in trouble. Pretty much the only thing I consistently have on you is defense. Curious question on a couple things you're doing with your spreadsheet, at the risk of not giving away secrets... is that the straight usage of your players or are you doing some adjustment? I'd have thought it would be higher. And when you say weighted for 19K, do you mean you prorate the bench player contributions to the category by the percentage of assumed floor time?

Yes. Prorated for time on floor. Nothing else makes sense to consider. I could have Rodman’s 94-95 on the bench, but if played zero minutes, why should I think my rebounding would be higher? Extreme example, but you get what I’m saying.

Usage is also adjusted. The number goes up considerably if I, say, play Kemba more in team 1. Usage, dimes, and threes go up. As a result, boards, defense, and efg go down.

Posted by Midge on 2/12/2023 11:22:00 AM (view original):
It seems to me that if you have 100.6% usage combined with 58.8% assists you’re just asking for trouble.

1) it’s like half a percentage point penalty on fg% at that level, and everybody shoot below in savage anyway because of defense. I can EASILY get that to 64 just by playing Kemba more minutes and the other backup guard less (I think that’s Tatum’s rookie season), but with that comes less boards, defense, and efg% — lower than the .4% or whatever from assists.

You’re also far more paranoid about the IPP than probably necessary. You don’t just pass the fga/82 and start bricking… that threshold has a bit of room built into it. But yeah, if my team seems to be shooting awfully, again, I have adjustments ready (again, Kemba by himself, but also, Boozer can play more minutes and whoever backing up Ben mess). I don’t spend hours on these spreadsheets just looking for the best 60-man lineup… I’m looking for ways to be able to make adjustments when needed as well.

Posted by robusk on 2/12/2023 12:20:00 PM (view original):
I actually had the nerve to feel good about my fouls until I saw ash’s.

I doubt anybody else is even close to this. I’ve never had fouls this low, and that’s something I’m usually good at. The build I almost went with had my best team under 15.75 per 48!

I’m really going to make a concerted effort to draft more usage in the future. Only 24 out of 58 seasons were tier 3 or higher - of which I’m not even using 3 at all - and there were plenty of tier six. That combination made lining things up right a pain. I keep doing it to myself, too… always thinking, “I can get more usage later” and then not following through. Is what I did get enough? In my experience, yes, but it would have caused far fewer headaches to have had five more tier 3 and five less tier 6! There were certain combinations I just couldn’t do because the bench could potentially put me at less than ten usage points.

I think I went a little too hard on rebounds. Thad Young’s 20-21 is awesome in a vacuum, but I’m not exactly sure how to avoid some possible <50% AST bench lineups on the team where he plays some PG minutes. If I could redo a pick, I’d grab a traditional PG like Armstrong instead.

That said, here are my 5 starting lineups. The Thad team is the 5th one listed

Team	USG	eFG	ORB	DRB	CRB	AST	DEF
?	99.6	57	40.4	115.8	156.2	75.1	78
?	104.8	56.4	37.3	112.1	149.4	74.4	76.4
?	121.2	56	39.2	107.8	147	72.9	74
?	103.5	55.86	37.5	108.2	145.7	74.7	84.6
?	104	57.5	42.5	105.4	147.9	55.3	67
AVG	106.72	56.55	39.38	109.86	149.24	70.48	76

My fouls are bad. My TOs are okay but surprisingly good for a Westbrook team. My 3s are just passable. Free throws aren’t a strength.

That said, I do like my eFG/CRB/AST a lot a lot

how many minutes is your starting lineup playing? Like, those numbers are GD frightening, but as someone (maybe jkaye24?) put a long time ago - they're usually only 60-70% of the puzzle.