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Posted by tangplay on 8/19/2021 10:32:00 PM (view original):
Wow, so you're saying that Trump locked Biden into a terrible plan?
Not sure what Trump's plan was. I seriously doubt it consisted of 100% abandonment.

If it did then YES it was a terrible plan.

But why would Biden be "locked in" to any plan?
He can/could/should change any aspect of any "plan" concocted by the previous admin. He's been doing exactly that for 8 months WRT other aspects of policy.
8/20/2021 12:28 PM
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Posted by Got_Worms on 8/20/2021 11:13:00 AM (view original):
Posted by Uofa2 on 8/20/2021 12:32:00 AM (view original):
Posted by seapilots on 8/20/2021 12:17:00 AM (view original):
Right now America has to put political differences aside. THE highest priority is getting our fellow citizens and
our Afghan friends out of the place alive. If it takes bringing in specialist such as Army Rangers so be it. These
past few days have changed everything. The situation is a disaster but we've survived disasters before.
If Americans are killed and/or held as hostages circa 1979 all of are other problems such as global warming,
pandemic, homeless, addiction will become secondary issues at best.
If Biden doesn't get our people home his political goose is cooked and most likely Democrats will be as well.
The only thing Biden/Harris have done so far is point fingers of blame and hide. Hell even George couldn't
make him look good. I'm praying for those in harms way and hope we can overcome our current situation.
Not for the sake of our political leaders but for this country. A full scale modern day war is too dreadful to contemplate.

When we suffer no American casualties and bring home thousands of Afghans I hope you revisit this post.
Why are we the ones that should be taking in refugees? So they vote Democrat?
1. We created the problem in Afghanistan. We have an OBLIGATION to fix it ourselves.
2. We have the most resources in the area and are the most likely to be able to bring them here.
3. America, according to conservatives, is the greatest country in the world.

Very strange that your priorities shift from "we need to help people asap" to political considerations the SECOND that immigration is brought up. Good to know that you don't give a **** about the people. You clearly only care about political narratives and taking down Joe Biden. **** you and **** everyone like you. We can all safely discount your opinions on this topic going forward.

Oh, and by the way, it's very strange that you assume they would vote for Democrats considering that people from Afghanistan are probably more likely to be CONSERVATIVES on social issues. I've seen numerous prominent conservatives on social media recently remark about how the Taliban is actually more preferable than America on gay rights, feminism, and cultural issues. Why not allow more conservative people in, right?
8/20/2021 2:52 PM
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Posted by bruceleefan on 8/20/2021 12:28:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tangplay on 8/19/2021 10:32:00 PM (view original):
Wow, so you're saying that Trump locked Biden into a terrible plan?
Not sure what Trump's plan was. I seriously doubt it consisted of 100% abandonment.

If it did then YES it was a terrible plan.

But why would Biden be "locked in" to any plan?
He can/could/should change any aspect of any "plan" concocted by the previous admin. He's been doing exactly that for 8 months WRT other aspects of policy.
In February of 2020, Trump made an agreement with the Taliban where we promised that the US would slowly evacuate all their troops from Afghanistan in exchange for the Taliban promising to not help terrorists and for a temporary ceasefire.

After an extension on the deal, Biden was locked in. If he didn't get everyone out of Afghanistan, he would be risking an escalation of the conflict and more troops dying, and if he did get everyone out, he lost all ability to get a favorable agreement with the Taliban. Deals don't just go away when a new President takes office, and when they do, there are consequences.

Trump's agreement was widely panned by experts and was one of the primary reasons why Biden was hamstrung. We had to rip the band-aid off, essentially.
8/20/2021 2:57 PM
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"Look. Here's the deal."
If this is old news in two weeks and for the most part forgotten it will be good news. That would mean
we were able to evacuate all Americans and at least some of the Afghans who risked their lives helping
in our cause to keep America safe. At least drop the Afghans off in Mexico and I'm sure they can find their
way from there.
This is best case scenario from a situation that is best described as grim. Biden though wounded would
still be able to try and persuade Americans however he sees fit.
However if Taliban take American hostages a domestic and international crisis will ensue. Who knows where
that will lead to. I can guarantee it will not be a good outcome for anyone and could potentially be catastrophic!
Just for today all Americans need to put our political bias aside and get our fellow citizens home safely.
Then we can exhale and go back to the culture war that has divided this country since post WWII.
If you're a religious person please continue to pray for those who are at the Talibans mercy. I'm sure our
President is praying for the same outcome and may those leading the mission be successful in its execution.
8/20/2021 4:31 PM
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Posted by Got_Worms on 8/20/2021 11:13:00 AM (view original):
Posted by Uofa2 on 8/20/2021 12:32:00 AM (view original):
Posted by seapilots on 8/20/2021 12:17:00 AM (view original):
Right now America has to put political differences aside. THE highest priority is getting our fellow citizens and
our Afghan friends out of the place alive. If it takes bringing in specialist such as Army Rangers so be it. These
past few days have changed everything. The situation is a disaster but we've survived disasters before.
If Americans are killed and/or held as hostages circa 1979 all of are other problems such as global warming,
pandemic, homeless, addiction will become secondary issues at best.
If Biden doesn't get our people home his political goose is cooked and most likely Democrats will be as well.
The only thing Biden/Harris have done so far is point fingers of blame and hide. Hell even George couldn't
make him look good. I'm praying for those in harms way and hope we can overcome our current situation.
Not for the sake of our political leaders but for this country. A full scale modern day war is too dreadful to contemplate.

When we suffer no American casualties and bring home thousands of Afghans I hope you revisit this post.
Why are we the ones that should be taking in refugees? So they vote Democrat?
The United States is the wealthiest country in the world. By a lot. Our national GDP is almost 50% larger than China's, and nearly 6 times that of Japan (the third-largest economy). Who else can afford as easily to take in a sudden new influx of refugees?

In addition, the current situation is fallout from the US invasion of Afghanistan. So we take in the refugees to clean up our own mess.

On top of that, and in spite of what you might hear from some progressives, this is still a pretty good place for people with a good work ethic to make new lives for themselves from the ground up. There is plenty of opportunity in this country for people to enter as refugees and quickly become happy and productive members of the society and positively contribute to the communities around them.
8/20/2021 4:45 PM
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Boot the Taliban.

I never liked the idea of withdrawal. I didn't like it from Iraq, either. Some of the old timers may recall that I said not to vote in 2008 based on Obama's promise to "bring home the troops" because I didn't think he'd be stupid enough to do it. It was obvious that the power vacuum would be filled by Islamic extremists. Well, I'm sure he wasn't stupid enough, but he was dogmatic enough to do it anyway, and we got ISIS. At the very least the Taliban are better organized, in terms of effective governance. If they can be trusted with their word to not harbor terrorist organizations - which is somewhat dubious - then this should be better than ISIS was.
8/20/2021 5:19 PM
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"We can all safely discount your opinions on this topic going forward."

I guess I just assume that everyone has already done this to everything dumbout has to say.
8/20/2021 5:22 PM
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Apparently Biden promised our allies he wouldn't rush our exit. The Brits were assured we'd have a presence there. Then Joe snuck out the back, leaving them with the check. Boris Johnson's calls went unanswered for 36 hours. This won't go away anytime soon. Our reputation is soiled... you've heard the term "leading from behind"? This is an example...

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2021/08/20/diplomacy-is-back-leaked-memo-shows-biden-promised-nato-allies-that-us-forces-wo-n2594497
8/20/2021 9:06 PM
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Secretary Austin has already contradicted Biden on Americans being at risk, that some have been brutalized by the Taliban while attempting to reach the airport. Biden's Friday speech flies in the face of what journalists, including CNN, are reporting in and around Kabul.
8/20/2021 9:48 PM
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Posted by DoctorKz on 8/20/2021 9:48:00 PM (view original):
Secretary Austin has already contradicted Biden on Americans being at risk, that some have been brutalized by the Taliban while attempting to reach the airport. Biden's Friday speech flies in the face of what journalists, including CNN, are reporting in and around Kabul.
The whole word is in chaos, and I believe it is only going to get worse.

US should have gone in with like a 200,000 troops and wasted the Taliban AND the Alquida, and if not that, then never gone there at all
8/20/2021 10:17 PM
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Hindsight is always 20/20...

I will never understand why Trump decided to attempt to negotiate with the Taliban. The Israelis have it right: never negotiate with a terrorist, it legitimizes them, gives them credibility.

Despite that, Biden was not forced to do anything. He CHOSE to go ahead with the withdrawal, then crapped the bed in his haste. This is his mess. He went back on his word to our allies. Lives are lost, more are at risk. Not the equivalent of a last minute cancellation of a back yard barbecue. This is a serious miscalculation by our Commander in Chief. Many are now doubting his ability to lead us.
8/20/2021 10:30 PM (edited)
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Posted by DoctorKz on 8/20/2021 10:30:00 PM (view original):
Hindsight is always 20/20...

I will never understand why Trump decided to attempt to negotiate with the Taliban. The Israelis have it right: never negotiate with a terrorist, it legitimizes them, gives them credibility.

Despite that, Biden was not forced to do anything. He CHOSE to go ahead with the withdrawal, then crapped the bed in his haste. This is his mess. He went back on his word to our allies. Lives are lost, more are at risk. Not the equivalent of a last minute cancellation of a back yard barbecue. This is a serious miscalculation by our Commander in Chief. Many are now doubting his ability to lead us.
I am with Biden's decision to pull out. The Taliban are pure evil.. no surprise that they are still bloodthirsty. My concern is that Afghan refugees will come to the US and Canada, and I that will not go well. These are not nice people. In Germany almost all the new crime is committed by Afghan refugees. This includes raping children.. Same with the Syrians. I seriously don't want them here

Biden gets a lot of flack, but is he supposed to just stay the course? In 20+ years, imo going into Afghan accomplished one thing.. and only one thing. They got Osama B Laden

Pretty expensive kill, if you ask me.

and yes, I am kind of defending a guy I would have never voted for

8/20/2021 10:37 PM
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So he created a potential powder keg hostage situation for thousands of American and foreign civilians, pins his hopes on the Taliban providing safe passage? Pretty weak, Pal...
8/20/2021 10:49 PM
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You're just going to ignore the fact that Trump kinda locked Biden in on this one?

OK
8/20/2021 11:05 PM
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Biden dictates policy now, not Trump. Biden could change course, decide to delay, work something out with NATO.

I was never in favor of pulling out, not completely. Why give it all away? Surely they would immediately target everyone who aided the NATO military and rebel fighters. It would be signing their death sentences. Women will be targeted, just as before. Where's the crying about women's and human rights?

To pull out like this is clueless or heartless.
8/20/2021 11:19 PM (edited)
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