TRUMP: Best President ever Topic

Posted by wylie715 on 9/12/2020 12:41:00 AM (view original):
Posted by all3 on 9/11/2020 9:39:00 PM (view original):
Yeah, the views of people within a Party should be totally disregarded when deciding what Party to vote for. Drink some more of your Trump-hater Kool-Aid, then try again.
what prominent Democrat has said we should abolish the police? None that I know of. Some have said we should defund the police, which is not the same thing. What we really need is better and more training for the police. What prominent democrat has said our borders should be wide open? I know which prominent dems have said free education, free healthcare...but it is still unlikely to ever happen.
By the way, it's ridiculous to frame free healthcare and education as some apocalyptic policies. Most of the rest of the world has it. Not hard.
9/12/2020 12:56 AM
Posted by wylie715 on 9/12/2020 12:41:00 AM (view original):
Posted by all3 on 9/11/2020 9:39:00 PM (view original):
Yeah, the views of people within a Party should be totally disregarded when deciding what Party to vote for. Drink some more of your Trump-hater Kool-Aid, then try again.
what prominent Democrat has said we should abolish the police? None that I know of. Some have said we should defund the police, which is not the same thing. What we really need is better and more training for the police. What prominent democrat has said our borders should be wide open? I know which prominent dems have said free education, free healthcare...but it is still unlikely to ever happen.
About Health Care:

US definitely needs a workable Health care plan. I hear of families who had to sell their homes, just to pay for a heart operation, perhaps a bill of $250.000. Their private health care provider refused to pay because of some technical glich. Greed and dishonesty are big in the Insurance 'game' The big downside is that Government will tell them what they can and can not charge. Then comes more government interference with the H C system, and it becomes a mess. How serious is this?

I had Kidneystones 20 years back. I waited in Emerg for over an hour, totally in pain that cannot be described in words. In Canada, we have much 'featherbedding' and I was referred to not one, but three specialists.. and finally after over 2 months of living hell, I got the things blasted..
1) No specialists were needed.
2) Basket retrieval could have been done right there in MSA Hospital on the same day..
THAT is how a girl in Texas had her kidneystone removed. SAME day s he went in..

So if the US does go with taxpayer funded health care. I hope they can do it right.. and if your taxes go up by 8 per cent, give thanks. and remember, FREE healthcare does not exist. The money has to come from somewhere
9/12/2020 1:22 AM
Posted by wylie715 on 9/12/2020 12:43:00 AM (view original):

Interviews with 54 Democratic National Committee members, convention superdelegates and members of a criminal justice task force convened by Mr. Biden and Senator Bernie Sanders found a near-unanimous sentiment that local governments should redirect more money toward social services, education and mental health agencies.

Very few advocate fully defunding or abolishing the police, as some activists have called for. But they are aligning themselves, as have city councils in Milwaukee, Minneapolis, Denver, Portland, Ore., and other cities, with an increasingly popular movement to drastically rethink the priorities surrounding law enforcement.

In Canada, the RCMP training camp goes just over 5 months (Last time I looked) VPD is about the same. You need a year of post Secondary Ed to join the VancPD

What is the training sched like for say, the Dallas P.D?

https://dallaspolice.net/joindpd/Pages/Qualifications.aspx

Here it is in a nutshell:

Two years of college, (60 credits (20 courses)

37 weeks, or roughly 9 months of Basic Training, and then another six months of field training. The Education requirment goes to High school Graduation IF the member served in the military for 3 years.

p.s. they don't just learn to shoot guns and do h to hand combat.. Some are exceedingly smart people, and are very disciplined, for eg I believe a Green Beret has to be fluent in several languages

Starting Salary is just over $61,500 us per year and that is closer to $65,000 if they have the college credits. Good benefits package

So I think this might kill the notion that Police in the US are not well trained

p.s. they work either 4 tens and then 3 d off or 5 x 8's and 2 off

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Now for that city with all the poorly trained cops: Minneapolis

Applicants to the Minneapolis Police Department must be a minimum of 21 years of age, have a Minnesota driver’s license, and be a citizen of the United States. Interested candidates may only submit an application during open recruitment periods. Candidates must have at least an associate’s degree or five years of continuous law enforcement or military experience to be considered for employment. Prospective officers must pass each stage of the hiring process to be conditionally hired as police recruits.

Recruits will complete 16 weeks of training at the Minneapolis Police Academy. Following successful completion of the police academy and passing the Peace Officer Standards and Training (POST) Licensing Exam, recruits will go through additional field training and experience. Recruits will then graduate to the role of police officer, earning a patrol assignment. After five years of continuous service with the Minneapolis Police Department, police officers may take the sergeant’s exam to qualify for promotion. In Dallas this basic T is FIVE months longer..

https://www.criminaljusticedegreeschools.com/criminal-justice-resources/police-departments-by-metro-area/minneapolis-officer-requirements/

I kind of doubt that these guys are either stupid or poorly trained.. but Dallas PD are in Basic training for almost 9 months, and then 6 months of field training (I assume this means on patrol with a training officer) IMO very thorough. Probably the best trained city police force in the country
9/12/2020 2:17 AM (edited)
Posted by wylie715 on 9/12/2020 12:41:00 AM (view original):
Posted by all3 on 9/11/2020 9:39:00 PM (view original):
Yeah, the views of people within a Party should be totally disregarded when deciding what Party to vote for. Drink some more of your Trump-hater Kool-Aid, then try again.
what prominent Democrat has said we should abolish the police? None that I know of. Some have said we should defund the police, which is not the same thing. What we really need is better and more training for the police. What prominent democrat has said our borders should be wide open? I know which prominent dems have said free education, free healthcare...but it is still unlikely to ever happen.
Hilary did say this, about 4 years ago. She actually said some intelligent things, though. The right side is not immune to exaggerating either, and they would make this sound much worse. HEY, she is almost as loud as Trump

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I think she has gone 'downhill' a lot, since then
9/12/2020 1:33 AM
Posted by wylie715 on 9/12/2020 12:48:00 AM (view original):
The reaction is now predictable: Argue for treating undocumented immigrants humanely on American soil and you’ll find yourself accused of believing in “open borders.” As if it’s a binary, either/or position. You either believe in building Trump’s “Great Wall.” You believe in separating children from their parents at the U.S. border. You believe in removing undocumented immigrants from the country who have lived here for decades. Or you believe in “open borders.” It’s a blunt rhetorical trick. It’s crass. But it works. So it’s employed by everyone from the current president down to the many supporters and trolls who carry his water on social media.Fear mongering, of course, lies at the heart of this accusation. The implication being that critics of Trump’s policies, Democrats in particular, don’t care about safety. They don’t mind who comes into the country. And in turn, that accusation comes coupled with insinuations that those immigrants sneaking across our borders are scary, violent people. What-the-latest-immigration-polls-do-and-dont-say"the vast majority of Americans—including most Democrats—don’t believe in so-called “open borders.” That’s not to say that no one believes in open borders. Certainly, there are people who do. But most don’t. And open borders is not a policy the Democratic party supports; it’s not part of their platform. Regardless of how many times Trump and his supporters may claim otherwise.
(standing ovation)
9/12/2020 8:21 AM
Trump:

"Pelosi and Schumer want Trillions of Dollars of BAILOUT money for Blue States that are doing badly, both economically and in terms of high crime, as a condition to making a deal on stimulus - But the USA is coming back strong!"

Anyone wanna point out the obvious and ******* scary problem with this tweet?
9/12/2020 8:25 AM
Posted by wylie715 on 9/12/2020 12:41:00 AM (view original):
Posted by all3 on 9/11/2020 9:39:00 PM (view original):
Yeah, the views of people within a Party should be totally disregarded when deciding what Party to vote for. Drink some more of your Trump-hater Kool-Aid, then try again.
what prominent Democrat has said we should abolish the police? None that I know of. Some have said we should defund the police, which is not the same thing. What we really need is better and more training for the police. What prominent democrat has said our borders should be wide open? I know which prominent dems have said free education, free healthcare...but it is still unlikely to ever happen.
What "prominent" Politician of any Party was talking about allowing women to vote, or landing a man on the moon, or 1000 other things that were once dreams of the "delusional", more than a handful of years before they became the norm? Ground-swells of people are what matter, as especially today's Politicians will pass whatever Legislation (or pick whatever VP candidate) they need to, to try to make enough people happy enough to vote for them. I fear there will shortly be enough morons in this Country who want things like abolishing police, open borders and "free" stuff for all, that the Party of those people will make them the new norm.
9/12/2020 10:34 AM
While I believe EVERYONE should be treated humanely at the border, even if trying to illegally enter, the below is why I have no problem with children being separated from adults. Don't want to risk being separated from your actual child, then don't try to enter the US illegally. Pretty simple concept.


Border Crisis: CBP Fights Child Exploitation
Without a choice, thousands of children are forced to make a perilous journey
By John Davis, cover photo by Kris Grogan

It’s a situation Border Patrol Agent Hermann Rivera faced far too often: an adult illegal alien approaching him with a child in tow, seeking asylum in the United States.

“He initially stated that the child was his kid,” Rivera said. But after carefully checking his documents and pressing the issue, the man admitted the truth. “’I’m not sure whose child this is,’” Rivera said the man told Border Patrol agents when he finally revealed the truth.

It’s something that has happened thousands of times in the past year. In fact, Border Patrol agents identified more than 6,200 fraudulent family members in fiscal year 2019, which runs from Oct. 1, 2018 through Sept. 30, 2019.

9/12/2020 10:42 AM
Posted by Uofa2 on 9/12/2020 8:25:00 AM (view original):
Trump:

"Pelosi and Schumer want Trillions of Dollars of BAILOUT money for Blue States that are doing badly, both economically and in terms of high crime, as a condition to making a deal on stimulus - But the USA is coming back strong!"

Anyone wanna point out the obvious and ******* scary problem with this tweet?
So the Repubs want to give money to the people, while Dems want to give money to the Governments, and you're complaining? Got it.
Which Party do you and others claim is "For the people" again?
9/12/2020 10:46 AM
Posted by all3 on 9/12/2020 10:42:00 AM (view original):
While I believe EVERYONE should be treated humanely at the border, even if trying to illegally enter, the below is why I have no problem with children being separated from adults. Don't want to risk being separated from your actual child, then don't try to enter the US illegally. Pretty simple concept.


Border Crisis: CBP Fights Child Exploitation
Without a choice, thousands of children are forced to make a perilous journey
By John Davis, cover photo by Kris Grogan

It’s a situation Border Patrol Agent Hermann Rivera faced far too often: an adult illegal alien approaching him with a child in tow, seeking asylum in the United States.

“He initially stated that the child was his kid,” Rivera said. But after carefully checking his documents and pressing the issue, the man admitted the truth. “’I’m not sure whose child this is,’” Rivera said the man told Border Patrol agents when he finally revealed the truth.

It’s something that has happened thousands of times in the past year. In fact, Border Patrol agents identified more than 6,200 fraudulent family members in fiscal year 2019, which runs from Oct. 1, 2018 through Sept. 30, 2019.

The number of real parent-kid vastly outweighs the fake ones and separating parents is NOT the only way to solve this problem.

Furthermore, TRUMP HAS BEEN PUTTING LEGAL IMMIGRANTS IN CAGES
9/12/2020 11:35 AM
Posted by all3 on 9/12/2020 10:46:00 AM (view original):
Posted by Uofa2 on 9/12/2020 8:25:00 AM (view original):
Trump:

"Pelosi and Schumer want Trillions of Dollars of BAILOUT money for Blue States that are doing badly, both economically and in terms of high crime, as a condition to making a deal on stimulus - But the USA is coming back strong!"

Anyone wanna point out the obvious and ******* scary problem with this tweet?
So the Repubs want to give money to the people, while Dems want to give money to the Governments, and you're complaining? Got it.
Which Party do you and others claim is "For the people" again?
Oh my god, you're actually this stupid.
9/12/2020 11:37 AM
Posted by tangplay on 9/12/2020 12:56:00 AM (view original):
Posted by wylie715 on 9/12/2020 12:41:00 AM (view original):
Posted by all3 on 9/11/2020 9:39:00 PM (view original):
Yeah, the views of people within a Party should be totally disregarded when deciding what Party to vote for. Drink some more of your Trump-hater Kool-Aid, then try again.
what prominent Democrat has said we should abolish the police? None that I know of. Some have said we should defund the police, which is not the same thing. What we really need is better and more training for the police. What prominent democrat has said our borders should be wide open? I know which prominent dems have said free education, free healthcare...but it is still unlikely to ever happen.
By the way, it's ridiculous to frame free healthcare and education as some apocalyptic policies. Most of the rest of the world has it. Not hard.
dude, as has been pointed out to you before, nothing is free. Someone will pay for it.
9/12/2020 11:41 AM
Posted by lostnfound74 on 9/12/2020 1:22:00 AM (view original):
Posted by wylie715 on 9/12/2020 12:41:00 AM (view original):
Posted by all3 on 9/11/2020 9:39:00 PM (view original):
Yeah, the views of people within a Party should be totally disregarded when deciding what Party to vote for. Drink some more of your Trump-hater Kool-Aid, then try again.
what prominent Democrat has said we should abolish the police? None that I know of. Some have said we should defund the police, which is not the same thing. What we really need is better and more training for the police. What prominent democrat has said our borders should be wide open? I know which prominent dems have said free education, free healthcare...but it is still unlikely to ever happen.
About Health Care:

US definitely needs a workable Health care plan. I hear of families who had to sell their homes, just to pay for a heart operation, perhaps a bill of $250.000. Their private health care provider refused to pay because of some technical glich. Greed and dishonesty are big in the Insurance 'game' The big downside is that Government will tell them what they can and can not charge. Then comes more government interference with the H C system, and it becomes a mess. How serious is this?

I had Kidneystones 20 years back. I waited in Emerg for over an hour, totally in pain that cannot be described in words. In Canada, we have much 'featherbedding' and I was referred to not one, but three specialists.. and finally after over 2 months of living hell, I got the things blasted..
1) No specialists were needed.
2) Basket retrieval could have been done right there in MSA Hospital on the same day..
THAT is how a girl in Texas had her kidneystone removed. SAME day s he went in..

So if the US does go with taxpayer funded health care. I hope they can do it right.. and if your taxes go up by 8 per cent, give thanks. and remember, FREE healthcare does not exist. The money has to come from somewhere
never said we don't need a workable healthcare plan. We do. Free is not the answer, since it ain't reaally free. Someone is paying for it, and you know it ain't gonna be the government
9/12/2020 11:42 AM
Posted by wylie715 on 9/12/2020 11:41:00 AM (view original):
Posted by tangplay on 9/12/2020 12:56:00 AM (view original):
Posted by wylie715 on 9/12/2020 12:41:00 AM (view original):
Posted by all3 on 9/11/2020 9:39:00 PM (view original):
Yeah, the views of people within a Party should be totally disregarded when deciding what Party to vote for. Drink some more of your Trump-hater Kool-Aid, then try again.
what prominent Democrat has said we should abolish the police? None that I know of. Some have said we should defund the police, which is not the same thing. What we really need is better and more training for the police. What prominent democrat has said our borders should be wide open? I know which prominent dems have said free education, free healthcare...but it is still unlikely to ever happen.
By the way, it's ridiculous to frame free healthcare and education as some apocalyptic policies. Most of the rest of the world has it. Not hard.
dude, as has been pointed out to you before, nothing is free. Someone will pay for it.
I'm well aware of that, wylie.
9/12/2020 11:47 AM
Posted by tangplay on 9/12/2020 11:37:00 AM (view original):
Posted by all3 on 9/12/2020 10:46:00 AM (view original):
Posted by Uofa2 on 9/12/2020 8:25:00 AM (view original):
Trump:

"Pelosi and Schumer want Trillions of Dollars of BAILOUT money for Blue States that are doing badly, both economically and in terms of high crime, as a condition to making a deal on stimulus - But the USA is coming back strong!"

Anyone wanna point out the obvious and ******* scary problem with this tweet?
So the Repubs want to give money to the people, while Dems want to give money to the Governments, and you're complaining? Got it.
Which Party do you and others claim is "For the people" again?
Oh my god, you're actually this stupid.
It's amazing, really.
9/12/2020 12:51 PM
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