Posted by The Taint on 8/14/2020 1:43:00 PM (view original):

Posted by all3 on 8/14/2020 10:41:00 AM (view original):
Since I'm only guessing at what exactly you mean by that, I will say these things.
The USPS has been horribly run for decades (I'm friends with 3 people who have each worked there for 20+ years each). It is long overdue for a HUGE overhaul. Had they been doing the job efficiently, at a reasonable price, we wouldn't have seen all these companies like UPS, FED EX, DHL, etc. come to be.
I hate how Trump is mixing their funding with mail-in votes though. That said, there are a ton of people who vote by mail who are perfectly capable of going to the polls, so I do think it should be a bit more difficult to apply to vote by mail, as it certainly is easier to have fraud that way (for either Party). For example, I am collecting my neighbors' mail this week while they are away. The husband works from home, with flexible hours, the wife is back in school and working PT, and the 20 year old daughter does nothing. They got their mail-in ballots delivered yesterday, although all of them could easily go to the polls. What's keeping me from filling-out their ballots and returning them?
Hope that addresses what you were asking. You may begin criticising now.

They would get sent back because the signature doesn't match. Not to mention, they would wonder where their ballots got to..why they didn't get to them and eventually could probably remember that you were checking their mail for them. Ballots are easily tracked.

In most states, at least, vote by mail ballots are centralized. They generally don't even have access to the statewide pool of signatures, and it's a virtual guarantee that nobody is checking them.

I tend to agree with my fellow conservatives on this one. Living in Virginia, for the first time in my life, I've been required to present my ID when I show up to vote, and this feels much more appropriate to me. My primary concerns are not far-fetched things like mail fraud, however. What concerns me the most is the lack of a mechanism in most states to automatically clean up voter rolls. Most voters - myself included - are not rigorously fastidious about cleaning up after ourselves in this particular area. I last lived in Pennsylvania, honestly, in 2006, but I voted in PA until summer 2010 when I moved to California. After the 2018 election my dad happened to mention to my brother - who lives in Arizona since 2013 - and me that we were still on the registration list at my parents' polling place in Pennsylvania. In Pennsylvania, you just need to sign the paper to vote. And they provide the reference signature. It's not held by the election officials to cross-reference, it's right on the paper next to where you sign. So all anybody would have needed to vote as me in Pennsylvania in every election from 2010 through 2018 was the knowledge that I wouldn't be there and a willingness to copy my signature. It seems like states could use state and Federal tax databases to notice that I was no longer paying taxes in Pennsylvania and at least send me a letter asking if I still resided and voted at that polling place. Most people are registered to vote by the DMV (EDIT: really at the DMV, but that's at least where they get the paperwork), but they also don't use DMV records to remove voters. The PA DMV knew I had cancelled my PA license for a CA license. But nobody took me off the voter roll until I requested paperwork to do so, filled it out by hand, and sent it back to them. Eight years after I left.

At least this experience gave me a heads up to clean up my California registration. I was registered to vote by mail in CA. That means that in the 2018 election, and any intervening local elections from summer 2017 until that point, whoever moved into my former house received a valid ballot with my name on it. All they had to do was fill it in and send it back, and it could be counted. At least California is actually one of the states that does scrupulously check signatures on vote-by-mail ballots.

And as we all know the only thing the postal service delivers are ballots. Nothing else.

Relevance?

You posted the same thing before I posted, and nobody else posted, so you seem to be responding to me. I didn't say anything about the postal service. So not quite sure what you're getting at.

He just loves to argue with and try to down me so much, that he'll post stupid thing after stupid thing (like this) to try to make some point that nobody else can figure-out. I'm truly embarrassed for him sometimes (like now). At least he has the decency to ask me for my opinions/thoughts, instead of assuming he knows what they are and wrongly telling everyone else, like some here.

Oh yeah, another great, logical post. Sure you belong here?

He belongs.
So do you.
But, be aware. Your words reveal what your thoughts/opinions are.
We don't have to assume much of anything.
You've posted 100's of times.
All we have to do is read.......... and ponder.
You minimize lie after lie spouted by the criminal in the W.H. and defend the con man on issue after issue.

It's quite easy to figure out where you stand and what your OPINIONS are...........
I just don't value them much because I think you're blinded by ???? or just _________ as some might claim.

I defend Trump against (in my opinion) unfounded and unfair accusations. I don't defend his lies or many of his other actions (like the tweets, the virus handling and the USPS funding). Sorry bob, but you're letting your "dislike" for the man cloud your judgement, and you're making untrue assumptions about someone else. That's no different than a lie. At least have the decency to do what Uofa did, and ask me what my opinion/thoughts are, instead of assuming you know them. Doing so makes you look as silly as certain others around here, who do the same thing.

Posted by dahsdebater on 8/14/2020 5:39:00 PM (view original):
Relevance?

You posted the same thing before I posted, and nobody else posted, so you seem to be responding to me. I didn't say anything about the postal service. So not quite sure what you're getting at.

I wasn’t arguing or anything, I’m simply reiterating the point that seemed to be getting lost. Nothing to do with your post. Sorry for the confusion.

OK, I'll bite all3. and apologize IF I turn out to be incorrect.

Just explain to me (and all of us around here) so we can see that you're really fair and unbiased in your judgments and opinions...............

On exactly what basis do you find Donald J. Trump, known egotist, known womanizer, clearly known inveterate LIAR, likely white sympathizer (at least!), known misogynist and a really good symbol of the "ugly american" to the rest of the globe, a man with NO experience in governing, and a VERY questionable record as a "business" person..........exactly now, on what basis is this man fit to be our POTUS!

And don't give me that BS about HRC being the other choice! That's NOT a legitimate answer as there ARE other choices even IF you choose to ignore them. The fact that HRC was a bad choice and a bad candidate (we do agree on that!) has absolutely NOTHING to do with the fitness or unfitness of Trump to be POTUS.

I'm ashamed for my Grandkids that this creep was elected and embarrassed for you that you voted for him!

I truly can't believe you need to ask why I'm voting Republican. I've explained it over and over and over - I think the Democratic Party is scary. It doesn't matter if it's Trump, Pence, or someone else, they would get my vote, because as I've also explain over and over and over, I don't believe we vote for individual people any longer - we vote for Parties. If people disagree with their Party too much, they lose funding and are done. Sorry you, for some unexplained reason, can not understand those two things. Not asking you too agree, but come on, stop asking things I've repeated already explained.

OK. So you'd vote for ANYBODY (ANY Nominee with an R) other than ANY democratic candidate.
Is that correct?

Because, if SO, you can hardly be called independent or "in the middle" somewhere because you clearly have a bias.

For the record, just to be fair, I will concede that there ARE many Democrats I could NOT vote for and a FEW Republicans I could vote for.
And, for the record, I believe your opinion that it's all about the Party and NOT the individual is a cop out and a surrender (by YOU) to the very "system" you pretend to rail against.

Of course, that just MY opinion!

I can't believe that all3 would vote for the party that Steve King and other white supremacists belong to! Also, he votes for the Qanon party! Clearly, he subscribes to all of these beliefs. After all, you vote for parties, and by that he means that you vote for the most extreme ideas within each party!

Also, bob brings up an excellent point. Just a couple of months ago, all3 was railing against the idea of parties; how they divide and group us up. Now, he's saying that you vote for parties and not individuals. Seems contradictory.

Posted by tangplay on 8/15/2020 1:23:00 PM (view original):
I can't believe that all3 would vote for the party that Steve King and other white supremacists belong to! Also, he votes for the Qanon party! Clearly, he subscribes to all of these beliefs. After all, you vote for parties, and by that he means that you vote for the most extreme ideas within each party!

#nailedit

That Georgia lady has some doozies, good lord.

Posted by all3 on 8/15/2020 12:44:00 PM (view original):
I truly can't believe you need to ask why I'm voting Republican. I've explained it over and over and over - I think the Democratic Party is scary. It doesn't matter if it's Trump, Pence, or someone else, they would get my vote, because as I've also explain over and over and over, I don't believe we vote for individual people any longer - we vote for Parties. If people disagree with their Party too much, they lose funding and are done. Sorry you, for some unexplained reason, can not understand those two things. Not asking you too agree, but come on, stop asking things I've repeated already explained.

Okay, all3,,we know why you are voting republican, but what I want to know is this - what do you find so scary about the democratic party?
The defacto leader of the republican party and POTUS odes the following:
1. Lies continuously
2. Bullies and belittles people he does not like
3. Has encouraged followers at a rally to physically hurt a heckler
4. Has made fun of a handicapped person
5. Has made sexists and racist remarks
6. Has wished a woman charged with sex crimes well
7. Is trying to destroy the USPS, a service millions pf Americans depend on for prescriptions, payroll checks, unemployment checks and many other things solely because he does not like the idea of voting by mail.
8. Has called white supremacists good people
9. Has criticized people for peacefully protesting, a constitutional right
10. Has ignored information about Russia putting bounties on American soldiers
11. has insulted and belittled veterans and military members if they dared to contradict him or criticized him
12. Has done little or nothing to combat the spread of the COVID19 virus
13. Has promoted unproven remedies for the virus
There's more. What has Joe Biden and the democratic party done that scares you as much as all that scares me??

bob and wylie, I already went through all this. One more, hopefully last, time. I've said there is one local Dem I will probaly vote for in November, but the rest will probably be Repubs or no votes at all.

Even the remotest possibility of open borders, defunding police, student loan forgiveness, "free" secondary education for those who want it, and the like, scare me more than lies, which we've all agreed all Politicians do, even if it's to make the Party happy. Also, I find the false and/or unfounded accusations against the POTUS and other Repubs over the last 4 years to be more dusturbing than anything any Repub has done or said. Obviously you disagree, but that's the "beauty" of being Americans: we don't need to agree, or even pretend to. That's something I see being upheld more by Repubs than Dems, who serm to want to somehow limit every discussion they disagree with by labelling it _____ist (fill in the blank with race, sex or whatever).