Q: What happens if two people bid the exact same amount?
A: No one would get the player and all owners who bid for him would need to pick a different player and re-bid.

Would that player be blacklisted for the whole draft or eligible to be taken in subsequent rounds?

Suggestion, replace the 2nd draft with the abandoned $100m theme. smells too much like last years fiasco.

Posted by odalisgagne on 10/5/2019 10:19:00 PM (view original):
Q: What happens if two people bid the exact same amount?
A: No one would get the player and all owners who bid for him would need to pick a different player and re-bid.

Would that player be blacklisted for the whole draft or eligible to be taken in subsequent rounds?

Blacklisted for the whole draft.

Posted by rbow923 on 10/5/2019 10:25:00 PM (view original):
Suggestion, replace the 2nd draft with the abandoned $100m theme. smells too much like last years fiasco.

but what made that draft a disaster was the very real possibility that multiple owners could not field a roster. (Because every round the owner had to draft a player that costs more than what the owner drafted in the previous round). Since you can technically bid $1 and get a player (as long as no one else bids for that player) it would be near impossible for an owner to be unable to field a roster.

I'm headed for a DNQ so my opinion doesnt count anyway.

Taking away the part where you lose your bid money if you don't get the player would greatly reduce potential disasters, IMHO. Just having to budget your bidding money for all the players you want is a sufficient challenge and stays fair throughout.

What's going to happen, clearly, is that some people will be able to use nearly all their bid money for players they actually get, and others will have a rapidly shrinking bid total they can't recover from if they want to continue to bid enough to secure a good roster.

I acknowledge there are probably many strategies for approaching this that I haven't thought of yet, but I'm not sure how to remove luck from the equation.

Posted by redcped on 10/5/2019 11:18:00 PM (view original):
Taking away the part where you lose your bid money if you don't get the player would greatly reduce potential disasters, IMHO. Just having to budget your bidding money for all the players you want is a sufficient challenge and stays fair throughout.

What's going to happen, clearly, is that some people will be able to use nearly all their bid money for players they actually get, and others will have a rapidly shrinking bid total they can't recover from if they want to continue to bid enough to secure a good roster.

I acknowledge there are probably many strategies for approaching this that I haven't thought of yet, but I'm not sure how to remove luck from the equation.

Yeah just realized that bids have to be a minimum of $1 million... so yeah, taking away the part where you lose your bid money if you don't get the player makes a lot of sense.

The part about removing bid money only seems to make sense if it was a public rather than private auction system (i.e. Ed Walsh is put on the block and everyone gets to submit their bid).

On the no cap auction. One easy suggestion just give everyone 255 bucks and scrap the millions it’s not necessary wether we bid 10000000 or 10 it ends up the same.

Posted by ozomatli on 10/5/2019 5:18:00 PM (view original):
$140M: Teammate Draft
Each owner, starting with the #1 ranked owner, will nominate a player. We will then have a 25 round draft where each owner must select one teammate of each nominated player, and one additional teammate from one player. Players who were nominated cannot be selected as teammates.

Each player can only be selected once, even if they were teammates of multiple nominated players. You do not need to declare which season of the teammate you are using when you draft them, but you must declare which nominated player they are tied to. You may not twist the chosen player to a season they did not play with the nominated player you declare.

Draft order will be determined at the start of each round and will be based on the rank of the owner who nominated the player each owner selected in the previous round, in ascending order. Ties will be broken by the prior round. The Round 1 draft order will be randomly determined and the final tiebreaker in subsequent rounds will be another random draw.

Draft order example: The #1 ranked owner nominated Babe Ruth and the #2 ranked owner nominated Roger Maris. In Round 1: I select Lou Gehrig as my teammate, tied to Babe Ruth and brianjw selects Mickey Mantle, tied to Roger Maris. I would pick before brianjw in the next round since Ruth was nominated before Maris.

Other Specifics
Seasons: All
DH: No
WW: No
AAA: No
Trades: No
Clones: No
Injuries: Turned On
Multi-team players: No combined seasons.
Ballpark: Must have been the home park for one of your players during the season you use.
300K Exception: No
Team Name: Include the names of your two players over 9M.
Division Alignment: Random

Why is the first mention of $9m players in the team name regulations? Does this mean I am required to draft at least 2 players over $9m? Only 2 players over $9m??? Seems like this would include a little explanation...Are the nominated players essentially blacklisted? So we draft a teammate of the nominated player: Gehrig as Ruth's teammate... Then we draft a teammate of Gehrig??

Posted by justinlee_24 on 10/6/2019 12:07:00 AM (view original):

Posted by redcped on 10/5/2019 11:18:00 PM (view original):
Taking away the part where you lose your bid money if you don't get the player would greatly reduce potential disasters, IMHO. Just having to budget your bidding money for all the players you want is a sufficient challenge and stays fair throughout.

What's going to happen, clearly, is that some people will be able to use nearly all their bid money for players they actually get, and others will have a rapidly shrinking bid total they can't recover from if they want to continue to bid enough to secure a good roster.

I acknowledge there are probably many strategies for approaching this that I haven't thought of yet, but I'm not sure how to remove luck from the equation.

Yeah just realized that bids have to be a minimum of $1 million... so yeah, taking away the part where you lose your bid money if you don't get the player makes a lot of sense.

The part about removing bid money only seems to make sense if it was a public rather than private auction system (i.e. Ed Walsh is put on the block and everyone gets to submit their bid).

I don't want to give anything away, but there is a strategy to this that a lot seem to be missing. The amount of money shouldn't be an issue with the rules ozo has set forth.

Was it 2 years ago when we had the teammate chain league? That almost made me quit rather than play round 2. I just couldn't get it.

This teammate twist then twist again thing seems very similar to me.

Posted by ozomatli on 10/5/2019 7:18:00 PM (view original):

Posted by daddyzander on 10/5/2019 7:11:00 PM (view original):
So 110 mil

lets say I pick the 2000 Mets. So I get 95-2005. I then twist to a braves Red Sox Rockies Yankees and blue jays team based off the 2000 Mets. Then draft 5 players from each of those 5 teams who were never teammates with anyone on the 2000 Mets other than the original twist thereof?

Not quite. In your example:

1. You pick the 2000 Mets as your base team
2. You twist 5 players, one each to the 2002 Red Sox, 1996 Yankees, 1996 Blue Jays, 2000 Rockies and 2005 Cardinals
3. You then twist 5 players from each of those 5 teams (for example, Pedro Martinez, Jason Varitek, Derek Lowe, Manny Ramirez and Trot Nixon from the 2002 Red Sox) to other seasons of theirs between 1995 - 2005
4. None of those players can have played with anyone on the 2000 Mets in any year they were WIS-eligible

$110M question, just to be certain as the above example uses different franchises. . . . "other teams" means we can use the same franchise, correct?

So in the above example with the 2000 Mets, you could choose players from the 2004 Mets, 1996 Mets, 1999 Mets, 2002 Cardinals, and 2002 Indians?

Posted by milest on 10/6/2019 10:19:00 AM (view original):

Posted by ozomatli on 10/5/2019 5:18:00 PM (view original):
$140M: Teammate Draft
Each owner, starting with the #1 ranked owner, will nominate a player. We will then have a 25 round draft where each owner must select one teammate of each nominated player, and one additional teammate from one player. Players who were nominated cannot be selected as teammates.

Each player can only be selected once, even if they were teammates of multiple nominated players. You do not need to declare which season of the teammate you are using when you draft them, but you must declare which nominated player they are tied to. You may not twist the chosen player to a season they did not play with the nominated player you declare.

Draft order will be determined at the start of each round and will be based on the rank of the owner who nominated the player each owner selected in the previous round, in ascending order. Ties will be broken by the prior round. The Round 1 draft order will be randomly determined and the final tiebreaker in subsequent rounds will be another random draw.

Draft order example: The #1 ranked owner nominated Babe Ruth and the #2 ranked owner nominated Roger Maris. In Round 1: I select Lou Gehrig as my teammate, tied to Babe Ruth and brianjw selects Mickey Mantle, tied to Roger Maris. I would pick before brianjw in the next round since Ruth was nominated before Maris.

Other Specifics
Seasons: All
DH: No
WW: No
AAA: No
Trades: No
Clones: No
Injuries: Turned On
Multi-team players: No combined seasons.
Ballpark: Must have been the home park for one of your players during the season you use.
300K Exception: No
Team Name: Include the names of your two players over 9M.
Division Alignment: Random

Why is the first mention of $9m players in the team name regulations? Does this mean I am required to draft at least 2 players over $9m? Only 2 players over $9m??? Seems like this would include a little explanation...Are the nominated players essentially blacklisted? So we draft a teammate of the nominated player: Gehrig as Ruth's teammate... Then we draft a teammate of Gehrig??

Oh, whoops, the 9M thing is a copy/paste error from the Round 1 themes

For the 140m, two questions

1) Nominating a player does not give you any rights to that player, correct? Just making sure I'm reading that right.

2) Is there a minimum number of seasons/WIS seasons/whatever that a player has to have to be nominated?

Posted by Jtpsops on 10/6/2019 11:01:00 AM (view original):

Posted by justinlee_24 on 10/6/2019 12:07:00 AM (view original):

Posted by redcped on 10/5/2019 11:18:00 PM (view original):
Taking away the part where you lose your bid money if you don't get the player would greatly reduce potential disasters, IMHO. Just having to budget your bidding money for all the players you want is a sufficient challenge and stays fair throughout.

What's going to happen, clearly, is that some people will be able to use nearly all their bid money for players they actually get, and others will have a rapidly shrinking bid total they can't recover from if they want to continue to bid enough to secure a good roster.

I acknowledge there are probably many strategies for approaching this that I haven't thought of yet, but I'm not sure how to remove luck from the equation.

Yeah just realized that bids have to be a minimum of $1 million... so yeah, taking away the part where you lose your bid money if you don't get the player makes a lot of sense.

The part about removing bid money only seems to make sense if it was a public rather than private auction system (i.e. Ed Walsh is put on the block and everyone gets to submit their bid).

I don't want to give anything away, but there is a strategy to this that a lot seem to be missing. The amount of money shouldn't be an issue with the rules ozo has set forth.

Yes, I'd encourage people to really think more about what this will look like in practice. Maybe play it out for yourself. I am fairly confident that these concerns are unfounded