Makes sense. My pitchers were all good range but also all pretty ok

another hack would be to draft guys who made a ton of errors along with the great range

I've tried +++range teams 3-4 times in the past, while trying to make the playoffs, all made it except one but none won the WS.
My best total was 198+ plays.
I'm now drafting another one but this time throwing all hopes of winning out the window just to go all out +plays.
So other than going for the usual A+++ guys at every fielding positions, I'm drafting pitchers with max range but also high OAV and still have to choose between Hilltop or Coors but now leaning to Hilltop.
One thing I'm still not sure though, like most here I use to think that low K pitchers would help get more +plays but reading an earlier post in this thread, Trentonjoe was saying
"Yeah, the SIM decides "Hit or Out" before Strikeout. Since the out is all ready decided, a "+" play can't happen."
My question is, yes the hit or out has been decided before the K so that would mean that the type of out, (K, grounder or fly) wouldn't affect + plays?
I mean, does the engine first give a hit then factors in range and takes it away with a "+" play or is the range already calculated before it gives a hit and it just goes as a "+ play" out?
When exactly does the engine decides what type of an out it's going to be?
Reason for this question is that some of the modern pitchers have a lot better range than these old deadballers but also strike out a lot more batters.

Anyhow, congrats on the 233+ plays ozo, it's the highest total mentionned in this thread unless I missed something. Will be trying to beat that number!

My goal with Home On The Range was to field a competitive team w/ over 200 + plays. Accomplished the first part -- won 102 regular season games (OL), coasted to a division win and reached the LCS where I inexplicably blew a 3-0 lead and lost in 7. The second part of my goal was a dismal failure w/ only 172 + plays. Trying again w/ a hitter's ballpark that creates more chances and A+ range pitchers who can contribute.

Teamname:	Home on the Range	Last 10:	7 - 3
Ballpark:	Dodger Stadium (HR LF/RF:-1/-1 1B:2 2B:-4 3B:-3)	Home:	50 - 31
Record:	102 - 60	Away:	52 - 29

Regular Season Fielding SimStats (Totals)
Player	SN	Pos	G	GS	Inn	PO	A	E	DP	+	-	Fld%	RF
Foxx, Jimmie	1931	3B	162	162	1,464.0	142	380	30	24	23	1	.946	3.21
Carey, Max	1921	CF	162	162	1,464.0	449	3	30	0	21	1	.938	2.78
Cochrane, Mickey	1934	C	150	150	1,352.0	437	58	13	2	0	0	.974	3.30
Doyle, Jack	1894	1B	143	143	1,294.0	1627	148	17	124	26	0	.991	12.35
McGee, Willie	1990	RF	115	115	1,044.0	222	6	16	1	16	0	.934	1.97
Lofton, Kenny	1992	LF	115	115	1,044.0	222	1	7	0	11	0	.970	1.92
Frisch, Frankie	1925	2B	113	113	1,026.0	272	378	38	69	17	0	.945	5.70
Bancroft, Dave	1923	SS	107	107	971.0	244	368	39	67	22	0	.940	5.67
Lofton, Kenny	1992	RF	47	47	420.0	95	1	0	0	1	0	1.000	2.06
McGee, Willie	1990	LF	47	47	420.0	82	1	2	0	9	0	.976	1.78
Bancroft, Dave	1923	2B	41	41	365.0	104	137	16	28	13	0	.938	5.94
Sparks, Tully	1906	P	56	0	364.0	14	23	2	2	0	4	.949	.91
Frisch, Frankie	1925	SS	40	40	358.0	100	145	13	34	4	1	.950	6.16
Horlen, Joe	1967	P	46	0	293.3	19	30	0	2	3	0	1.000	1.50
Young, Cy	1906	P	44	0	280.3	19	8	2	0	0	0	.931	.87
Lumpkin, Ethan (P)	2019	1B	19	19	170.0	212	22	0	11	3	0	1.000	12.39
Grizzell, Torey (P)	2019	SS	15	15	135.0	47	55	2	7	0	1	.981	6.80
Henderson, Johnny (P)	2019	C	12	12	112.0	37	8	2	0	0	0	.957	3.62
Arellanes, Frank	1908	P	16	0	96.7	2	3	0	0	0	0	1.000	.47
Pape, Larry	1909	P	52	0	73.7	5	5	0	1	0	1	1.000	1.22
Turer, Jeremiah (P)	2019	2B	8	8	73.0	19	23	1	4	0	2	.977	5.18
Mathewson, Christy	1916	P	46	0	72.3	8	7	2	0	1	0	.882	1.87
Bosman, Dick	1967	P	49	0	59.3	1	1	0	0	0	2	1.000	.30
Kurz, Kevin (P)	2019	P	40	0	55.7	4	3	2	0	0	1	.778	1.13
Mitchell, Roy	1918	P	43	0	51.0	5	2	0	0	0	0	1.000	1.24
Hill, Rich	2015	P	21	0	32.0	1	1	1	0	0	1	.667	.56
Alexander, Pete	1918	P	24	0	31.0	0	0	0	0	0	0	.000	.00
Smith, Charlie	1909	P	26	0	30.0	3	1	0	0	2	0	1.000	1.20
Geller, Derik (P)	2019	P	15	0	24.7	0	3	0	0	0	0	1.000	1.09
TEAM TOTALS	--	--	1774	1296	13,176.0	4392	1821	235	376	172	15	.964	--

Goal for this team is 100 wins, 200 + plays. Anything beyond that is gravy.

McGee, Willie	1990	S	154	614	99	199	35	7	3	77	48	104	1	31	9	.324	.373	.419	.791	665	2	0
Lofton, Kenny	1992	L	148	576	96	164	15	8	5	42	68	54	2	66	12	.285	.362	.365	.726	651	1	4
Carey, Max	1921	S	148	552	90	170	36	4	7	59	74	32	4	39	13	.309	.395	.430	.825	662	0	32
Foxx, Jimmie	1931	R	148	549	99	160	34	11	32	128	78	90	1	4	3	.291	.380	.567	.947	633	0	4
Frisch, Frankie	1925	S	128	536	95	177	28	6	12	51	34	15	3	22	13	.331	.374	.472	.846	578	0	5
Bancroft, Dave	1923	S	113	471	85	143	35	3	1	33	66	24	1	8	7	.304	.391	.399	.789	544	0	6
Howard, Elston	1959	R	131	467	62	127	25	6	19	77	21	60	3	0	1	.273	.306	.476	.783	499	4	4
Doyle, Jack	1894	R	129	518	110	190	37	10	4	123	43	4	4	52	40	.367	.420	.498	.917	565	0	0

Here are the pitchers. All the regulars have A+ range except Gilmore, who will spot start in interleague games and mop and should put a lot of balls in play. Ballpark is Ameriquest in Arlington, a hitter's park but not extreme.

Smith, Frank	1909	R	54	43	27	18	1	390.0	1467	296	78	1	75	189	.214	.95	1.80	6	6	0
Taylor, Jack	1906	R	36	35	21	13	0	323.0	1284	265	71	4	92	65	.225	1.11	1.99	14	0	1
Flaherty, Patsy	1904	L	36	35	21	12	0	300.0	1202	259	68	4	73	72	.232	1.11	2.05	13	6	0
Gilmore, Frank	1888	R	15	13	1	11	0	116.0	534	158	85	5	35	28	.323	1.67	6.59	8	7	0
Mathewson, Christy	1916	R	13	6	3	4	2	70.0	273	63	18	3	7	17	.243	1.01	2.33	0	0	0
Falkenberg, Cy	1915	R	7	7	3	3	0	52.0	189	33	9	1	13	21	.188	.90	1.50	0	0	0
Mitchell, Roy	1918	R	6	4	5	0	0	46.0	173	34	4	0	6	11	.208	.88	.74	0	0	0
Sampson, Chris	2006	R	12	3	2	1	0	34.0	130	25	8	3	5	15	.205	.88	2.12	1	0	0
Voyles, Brad	2003	R	11	3	0	2	0	32.0	158	47	25	6	18	24	.348	2.07	7.18	1	3	0
Wolff, Roger	1947	R	14	6	1	4	0	32.0	163	52	31	4	19	7	.368	2.23	8.70	1	0	0
Redding, Tim	2005	R	10	7	0	6	0	31.0	154	44	36	7	17	19	.341	1.99	10.57	2	1	0
Douglas, Phil	1915	R	4	4	1	1	0	27.0	108	18	6	0	7	19	.187	.96	2.16	1	0	0
Milone, Tommy	2017	L	11	5	0	3	0	27.0	128	36	26	9	12	22	.316	1.78	8.56	0	0	0
Totals	--	--	229	171	85	78	3	1,480.0	5963	1330	465	47	379	509	.241	1.15	2.83	47	23	1

Posted by Funksteady1 on 7/12/2019 8:47:00 PM (view original):
Anyhow, congrats on the 233+ plays ozo, it's the highest total mentionned in this thread unless I missed something. Will be trying to beat that number!

https://www.whatifsports.com/forums/Posts.aspx?topicID=498219&threadID=11400732#l_11400732

318 is the current record as far as i know

Posted by 06gsp on 7/15/2019 6:56:00 AM (view original):

Posted by Funksteady1 on 7/12/2019 8:47:00 PM (view original):
Anyhow, congrats on the 233+ plays ozo, it's the highest total mentionned in this thread unless I missed something. Will be trying to beat that number!

https://www.whatifsports.com/forums/Posts.aspx?topicID=498219&threadID=11400732#l_11400732

318 is the current record as far as i know

One of the few things in life I don't have to worry about.

I wonder how many you'd get if your entire pitching staff was 200k pitchers

Is there an optimal salary cap level for maximizing + plays? IMHO, the answer might depend on how competitive an owner wanted their team to be as well as the makeup of the other teams in the league.

Posted by ozomatli on 7/16/2019 3:27:00 AM (view original):
I wonder how many you'd get if your entire pitching staff was 200k pitchers

I was starting to head in that direction after testing something in a current theme league where I'm having to tank games due to totally under-drafting IPs, I had forgotten how much toll a DH can take on pitching staffs...
Anyhow, I'm starting a 200k mop-up who's at 0% with a 200k "set-up" also at 0% and needless they're being severely trashed but I do see an increase of +plays, which you would expect when you're giving up 30+ hits in a game...
I'm sure if anyone did something like that with a full line-up of A+++++ you'd get a huge + play "bonus" but it would start getting absurd to just tank every game for the sake of "+ plays" so after thinking about it I dropped the idea.

Posted by PennQuaker on 7/16/2019 8:54:00 AM (view original):
Is there an optimal salary cap level for maximizing + plays? IMHO, the answer might depend on how competitive an owner wanted their team to be as well as the makeup of the other teams in the league.

After this discussion, it seems like no because there is tension in both directions (i.e. higher caps = better hitters = more opportunities, but lower caps = worse pitchers = more opportunities). It might just come down to having the most A+++++ players, which I think is possible around 100-110M.

I think it could be done in the $80-$100M range, depending on the quality of the pitching. A quick perusal would tell me that players at the seven defensive positions with A+++++ range could be had for around $40M in salary, depending on how you feel about errors. Add in a strong defensive catcher and that leaves $35-$55M for a pitching staff depending on the cap. I just might try this in the near future.

Posted by PennQuaker on 7/16/2019 12:27:00 PM (view original):
I think it could be done in the $80-$100M range, depending on the quality of the pitching. A quick perusal would tell me that players at the seven defensive positions with A+++++ range could be had for around $40M in salary, depending on how you feel about errors. Add in a strong defensive catcher and that leaves $35-$55M for a pitching staff depending on the cap. I just might try this in the near future.

My numbers were slightly low. I found the 7 players who I would want for $45.9 million. Someone could knock a few million of these numbers with some different choices but it will still be at least $40M for the 7 players.