so, why can a restaurant post a sign saying "no shoes, no shirt, no service"? and why can a bar choose to not serve someone? Why should that baker have to abandon his religious beliefs? He's not telling the same sex couple they can't be gay, just that he doesn't have to make a cake for them

And what makes this right for one, but not another? I'm not arguing laws. I'm arguing philosophically. Why should this fit for one profession, but not all professions. They both have a place of business in this scenario (which is kind of irrelevant.)

And by the way, both situations are contracted workers. I think you forgot this point. The gay couple wanted to contract the baker to make them a custom cake.

Please explain the differences and why the law should apply to one but not the other.

because he says so, I think.

Now, if the baker doesn't, for example, have a store-front where he sells cakes and cookies and whatever to people to walk in and buy and, instead, works out of a private kitchen and takes custom orders only, then no, he is free to pick and choose. He is not a public accommodation.

No, B_L is smart. I'm sure he has rationale for his views and can articulate the differences between a contracted baker and a contracted author.

The author also has a bookstore in which he sells his books with a store front. They are right next to each other.

Posted by wylie715 on 1/29/2019 6:31:00 PM (view original):
so, why can a restaurant post a sign saying "no shoes, no shirt, no service"? and why can a bar choose to not serve someone? Why should that baker have to abandon his religious beliefs? He's not telling the same sex couple they can't be gay, just that he doesn't have to make a cake for them

You’re making my point.

Posted by wylie715 on 1/29/2019 6:31:00 PM (view original):
so, why can a restaurant post a sign saying "no shoes, no shirt, no service"? and why can a bar choose to not serve someone? Why should that baker have to abandon his religious beliefs? He's not telling the same sex couple they can't be gay, just that he doesn't have to make a cake for them

You can't discriminate on the basis of religion, race, color, sex, or national origin, at least under federal law. Some states have broader laws.

Someone without a shirt isn't a protected class.

Posted by strikeout26 on 1/29/2019 6:33:00 PM (view original):
No, B_L is smart. I'm sure he has rationale for his views and can articulate the differences between a contracted baker and a contracted author.

I respectfully disagree with you, KO.

still haven't seen an explanation for why a restaurant or a bar(both public accomodations, by the way) can refuse service to anyone they choose, but a baker can't.

Posted by bad_luck on 1/29/2019 6:38:00 PM (view original):

Posted by wylie715 on 1/29/2019 6:31:00 PM (view original):
so, why can a restaurant post a sign saying "no shoes, no shirt, no service"? and why can a bar choose to not serve someone? Why should that baker have to abandon his religious beliefs? He's not telling the same sex couple they can't be gay, just that he doesn't have to make a cake for them

You can't discriminate on the basis of religion, race, color, sex, or national origin, at least under federal law. Some states have broader laws.

Someone without a shirt isn't a protected class.

He is not discriminating based on any of those items you listed.

Posted by strikeout26 on 1/29/2019 6:35:00 PM (view original):
The author also has a bookstore in which he sells his books with a store front. They are right next to each other.

If anyone can walk into the bookstore and buy a custom book, then no, the person producing the custom books can't discriminate. Retail stores can't discriminate.

Posted by cccp1014 on 1/29/2019 6:38:00 PM (view original):

Posted by wylie715 on 1/29/2019 6:31:00 PM (view original):
so, why can a restaurant post a sign saying "no shoes, no shirt, no service"? and why can a bar choose to not serve someone? Why should that baker have to abandon his religious beliefs? He's not telling the same sex couple they can't be gay, just that he doesn't have to make a cake for them

You’re making my point.

I know. I agree with you on this one. (I know...the end of the world must be coming)

You keep using the laws to justify your answers. Take legality out of equation. Anyone reasonable can admit that there are/have been unjust laws and that laws can come with unintended consequences. This isn't a courtroom.

Posted by wylie715 on 1/29/2019 6:39:00 PM (view original):
still haven't seen an explanation for why a restaurant or a bar(both public accomodations, by the way) can refuse service to anyone they choose, but a baker can't.

Any business can refuse service to anyone as long as they aren't basing the refusal on religion, race, sex, color, or national origin.

If the baker told the couple he was too busy to make any more cakes (or whatever), he would have been in the clear.