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Posted by cccp1014 on 1/29/2019 4:58:00 PM (view original):
No we would have bakeries that didn't care and those that did? I see nothing wrong with that. If I go to a restaurant that doesn't serve kosher, I can leave and go to one that does. LOL.

Not serving kosher is not the same as refusing to serve. I am a vegetarian. It's not discrimination to not have vegetarian options.

Posted by strikeout26 on 1/29/2019 5:11:00 PM (view original):

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Posted by cccp1014 on 1/29/2019 4:53:00 PM (view original):
The Left is the Progressive Left like the Alt Right and just cause you are not doesn't mean others feel the same way. Check out YouTube. He has mobs out to get him. LOL.

Progressives are not the alt right, lol. And yes, there are extremists. Ben Shapiro loves to cherry pick and argue against only the most extremist positions. It would be like me saying many in the KKK voted for Trump > KKK is racist > Everyone who voted for Trump is racist.

Or simplifying conservative positions on immigration to 'close borders'.

I will assume that you have not listened to much Shapiro, which is fine. But he actually argues with a broad scope. He doesn't cherry-pick much at all. He truly is a great debater. Him and Bill Maher going at it was classic, because you can tell that they've both been trained in the art of debate and are highly skilled.

Posted by The Taint on 1/29/2019 5:15:00 PM (view original):

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Posted by cccp1014 on 1/29/2019 5:07:00 PM (view original):
I dislike many on the hateful right too. So he wins. In terms of him being a terrible human being. You're chummy with bad_luck so forgive me if I don't fully respect your judgement on who is and is not a good human being. With all due respect.

I have no idea who or what Bad Luck is.

I know what Trump is.

so do you. You choose to overlook it because "he owns the libs"

You too, are a horrible human being.

Oh you're right about that. I AM a horrible human being. I have to be to survive in a world filled with users, liars and A holes. You have the same idea of who bad_luck is as you do who I am. So if you can surmise I am a horrible human being then you can form an opinion about him as well.

That's weird because I go through life as a pretty likable guy who survives just fine around any and all types of people.

I feel bad for you

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Posted by cccp1014 on 1/29/2019 4:25:00 PM (view original):
I am certainly anti Left. I think any political faction that is threatened by the likes of Ben Shapiro has major issues.

No one is threatened by Shapiro.

he can't even reach the podium without a stepstool.

****, he still has daddy sticking up for him. Lol.

Ummm....There are quite a few on the far left who hate free speech and are scared to death of Shapiro.

there are quite a few everywhere who are hate free speech (trump seems to be one).

Don't move the goal posts. Why is the Left petrified of Ben Shapiro?

I hate terms like The Left. Stop using it.

I am not petrified of Ben Shapiro. He is not relevant in any way.

Why should he stop using that term? People have been grouped politically by left and right for many years.

Because he has stated repeatedly that the left, the way he uses it, is equivalent to the alt right.

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Posted by tangplay on 1/29/2019 5:09:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 1/29/2019 4:58:00 PM (view original):
No we would have bakeries that didn't care and those that did? I see nothing wrong with that. If I go to a restaurant that doesn't serve kosher, I can leave and go to one that does. LOL.

Not serving kosher is not the same as refusing to serve. I am a vegetarian. It's not discrimination to not have vegetarian options.

Exactly. So if a baker says, sorry I am not comfortable then go to another one. Seems simple to me.

Posted by strikeout26 on 1/29/2019 5:16:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 1/29/2019 5:09:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 1/29/2019 4:58:00 PM (view original):
No we would have bakeries that didn't care and those that did? I see nothing wrong with that. If I go to a restaurant that doesn't serve kosher, I can leave and go to one that does. LOL.

Not serving kosher is not the same as refusing to serve. I am a vegetarian. It's not discrimination to not have vegetarian options.

The baker was willing to serve. He wasn't willing to put 2 dudes or "Jim and Bob" on the top of the cake. CCCP's argument is actually very similar.

Posted by tangplay on 1/29/2019 5:18:00 PM (view original):

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Posted by tangplay on 1/29/2019 5:09:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 1/29/2019 4:58:00 PM (view original):
No we would have bakeries that didn't care and those that did? I see nothing wrong with that. If I go to a restaurant that doesn't serve kosher, I can leave and go to one that does. LOL.

Not serving kosher is not the same as refusing to serve. I am a vegetarian. It's not discrimination to not have vegetarian options.

Exactly. So if a baker says, sorry I am not comfortable then go to another one. Seems simple to me.

Not serving an item is not equivalent to not serving a person.

What if a company with a monopoly in a business refuses to serve Jews? What if Luxxottica didn't give glasses to Jews?

Posted by strikeout26 on 1/29/2019 5:14:00 PM (view original):

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Posted by strikeout26 on 1/29/2019 3:36:00 PM (view original):
First off, I am against anti-discrimination laws anyways. The market takes of discrimination on its own. The government actually had to put discrimination laws into place because the market wasn't discriminating for them. People don't care who they sell to. They just want the money. The people that do care go out of business. It's one thing that I love about capitalism.

To this specific case, the baker said he would sell the gay couple a cake. He said that he would not put two dudes on top and he would not write "Jim and Bob" or whatever on it. Asking him to decorate the cake for a gay wedding is discriminating on his religious beliefs. Once again, take a step back and look at this logically.

Yeah but what if enough bakers refuse service to enough gay people? That's pretty bad for the gay people, right? Asking someone to bake a cake for a gay person is not discrimination against their belief.

On your BL argument, if I go into an occupation where I am expected to write books based on people's requests, I will be expected to do that, regardless of whether I agree with it or not.

I guarantee that many authors who help write athlete's books do not agree with everything they write.

I want you to write me a book (op-ed) stating that all muslims are radicals. Will you do this for me?
I want you to write me a book about how great a person Hitler was and how beneficial to society the Holocaust was. Will you do that for me?

If that was my job, I would.
If I was not comfortable with that, I wouldn't go into that job.

Not sure that is how books are made, but whatever.

This tells me you don't have very strong convictions, but you shouldn't penalize those that do.

Posted by The Taint on 1/29/2019 5:16:00 PM (view original):

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Posted by tangplay on 1/29/2019 5:02:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 1/29/2019 4:53:00 PM (view original):
The Left is the Progressive Left like the Alt Right and just cause you are not doesn't mean others feel the same way. Check out YouTube. He has mobs out to get him. LOL.

Progressives are not the alt right, lol. And yes, there are extremists. Ben Shapiro loves to cherry pick and argue against only the most extremist positions. It would be like me saying many in the KKK voted for Trump > KKK is racist > Everyone who voted for Trump is racist.

Or simplifying conservative positions on immigration to 'close borders'.

I will assume that you have not listened to much Shapiro, which is fine. But he actually argues with a broad scope. He doesn't cherry-pick much at all. He truly is a great debater. Him and Bill Maher going at it was classic, because you can tell that they've both been trained in the art of debate and are highly skilled.

Maher's another loud mouth pundit who thinks he is way more important than he is

Posted by strikeout26 on 1/29/2019 5:16:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 1/29/2019 5:09:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 1/29/2019 4:58:00 PM (view original):
No we would have bakeries that didn't care and those that did? I see nothing wrong with that. If I go to a restaurant that doesn't serve kosher, I can leave and go to one that does. LOL.

Not serving kosher is not the same as refusing to serve. I am a vegetarian. It's not discrimination to not have vegetarian options.

The baker was willing to serve. He wasn't willing to put 2 dudes or "Jim and Bob" on the top of the cake. CCCP's argument is actually very similar.

Posted by cccp1014 on 1/29/2019 5:19:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 1/29/2019 5:18:00 PM (view original):

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Posted by tangplay on 1/29/2019 5:09:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 1/29/2019 4:58:00 PM (view original):
No we would have bakeries that didn't care and those that did? I see nothing wrong with that. If I go to a restaurant that doesn't serve kosher, I can leave and go to one that does. LOL.

Not serving kosher is not the same as refusing to serve. I am a vegetarian. It's not discrimination to not have vegetarian options.

Exactly. So if a baker says, sorry I am not comfortable then go to another one. Seems simple to me.

Not serving an item is not equivalent to not serving a person.

What if a company with a monopoly in a business refuses to serve Jews? What if Luxxottica didn't give glasses to Jews?

Now you're moving the goal posts. It is one tiny bakery. It was not Starbucks.

Posted by strikeout26 on 1/29/2019 5:17:00 PM (view original):

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Posted by The Taint on 1/29/2019 4:29:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 1/29/2019 4:25:00 PM (view original):
I am certainly anti Left. I think any political faction that is threatened by the likes of Ben Shapiro has major issues.

No one is threatened by Shapiro.

he can't even reach the podium without a stepstool.

****, he still has daddy sticking up for him. Lol.

Ummm....There are quite a few on the far left who hate free speech and are scared to death of Shapiro.

there are quite a few everywhere who are hate free speech (trump seems to be one).

Don't move the goal posts. Why is the Left petrified of Ben Shapiro?

I hate terms like The Left. Stop using it.

I am not petrified of Ben Shapiro. He is not relevant in any way.

Why should he stop using that term? People have been grouped politically by left and right for many years.

Because he has stated repeatedly that the left, the way he uses it, is equivalent to the alt right.

He has the right to that belief. This is a free speech, open debate thread. If you disagree with him, prove him wrong.

Posted by tangplay on 1/29/2019 5:21:00 PM (view original):

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Posted by tangplay on 1/29/2019 5:09:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 1/29/2019 4:58:00 PM (view original):
No we would have bakeries that didn't care and those that did? I see nothing wrong with that. If I go to a restaurant that doesn't serve kosher, I can leave and go to one that does. LOL.

Not serving kosher is not the same as refusing to serve. I am a vegetarian. It's not discrimination to not have vegetarian options.

The baker was willing to serve. He wasn't willing to put 2 dudes or "Jim and Bob" on the top of the cake. CCCP's argument is actually very similar.

Would he have served a cake with "Jim and Kim" on it?

If he didn't serve cake with toppers, that's fine. If he changed his policy based on preference, that's not fine.

Posted by tangplay on 1/29/2019 5:19:00 PM (view original):

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Posted by strikeout26 on 1/29/2019 3:36:00 PM (view original):
First off, I am against anti-discrimination laws anyways. The market takes of discrimination on its own. The government actually had to put discrimination laws into place because the market wasn't discriminating for them. People don't care who they sell to. They just want the money. The people that do care go out of business. It's one thing that I love about capitalism.

To this specific case, the baker said he would sell the gay couple a cake. He said that he would not put two dudes on top and he would not write "Jim and Bob" or whatever on it. Asking him to decorate the cake for a gay wedding is discriminating on his religious beliefs. Once again, take a step back and look at this logically.

Yeah but what if enough bakers refuse service to enough gay people? That's pretty bad for the gay people, right? Asking someone to bake a cake for a gay person is not discrimination against their belief.

On your BL argument, if I go into an occupation where I am expected to write books based on people's requests, I will be expected to do that, regardless of whether I agree with it or not.

I guarantee that many authors who help write athlete's books do not agree with everything they write.

I want you to write me a book (op-ed) stating that all muslims are radicals. Will you do this for me?
I want you to write me a book about how great a person Hitler was and how beneficial to society the Holocaust was. Will you do that for me?

If that was my job, I would.
If I was not comfortable with that, I wouldn't go into that job.

Not sure that is how books are made, but whatever.

This tells me you don't have very strong convictions, but you shouldn't penalize those that do.

No, you are allowed freely to choose an occupation that doesn't violate your convictions.