Collusion Topic

this is funny:

Has the impression not been given that illegal immigration is a much more difficult proposition these days, it’s much harder to get in because Trump has got the Border Patrol and ICE, and they’re working with a vengeance. Nobody’s said that it’s been arrested. Nobody’s said that Trump has stopped it. Nobody’s made that claim.

And again, this is not the New York Times reporting this. This is a Trump-supporting website, Breitbart, saying that there’s gonna be a record number. Well, record since 2008, 600,000 illegals will make it across the border next year. Now, these are projections based on current numbers. And there’s still no money for the wall. And there is no eagerness for any money to build a wall anywhere, other than a few pockets of conservative congressmen on the Republican side. Outside of that, there isn’t any impetus to stop this.

The evidence that there’s no impetus to stop it is that it’s not being stopped. Now we’ve got the caravans, and the caravans, you know, 5,000, 7,000, 3,500, whatever it is, the caravans are a microcosm of what we thought, you know, was a relative comparative trickle. And the caravans have all of the ingredients — I mean we went into Somalia, Black Hawk Down, we went into Mogadishu because of a picture of a starving Somalian baby with flies buzzing around his head. That picture took us into Mogadishu.

Now we have stories and pictures of Trump separating mothers from their babies at the border. It’s so horrible. Now we’ve got Trump tear gassing mothers and their babies simply seeking a better life from their war-torn native country. It’s so horrible, 600,000.

Folks, this can’t continue. We’re never gonna have a more focused anti-illegal immigration president than we’ve got now, and we’re gonna set a record? Well, a new high since 2008. 2008 fiscal year, 705,000 apprehensions, projected 600,000 illegals will make it across the border next year.

“President Donald Trump is strongly defending the U.S. use of tear gas at the Mexican border to repel a crowd of migrants that included angry rock-throwers but also barefoot, crying children,” says the AP. So here we go again.

You know, that famous Reuters picture, that fleeing woman with her three children, it more and more looks like it was staged. If you look closely at the background of the picture, A, the picture’s been cropped. If you look at the whole picture, you see other clusters of people posing for cameramen. And if they’re not posing, they’re just standing around. Nobody’s fleeing. The setting where that woman is seen racing with her kids, it’s not an emergency circumstance. You see people just basically sitting and standing around. Everything is posed here. And they’re just adding that tear gas was being used.

11/27/2018 7:47 PM
AND FINALLY.....................

A guy finds a woman, they pick up a couple straggling kids, and they show up at the border and claim to be a family. Who’s got ID? They’re coming from a war-torn area where they’re noncitizens. “We don’t have any ID. I heard I don’t need ID to vote. Why do I need ID?”

Mexico Calls for Full Investigation of U.S. Tear Gas at the Border.

Migrant Dies in Clash at Border Bridge from Tear Gas.

Tear Gas Used Once a Month at Border Under Obama.” See? You want to know one of the most frustrating things for me is the ineffectiveness of news like this. Five years ago, almost to the day, Barack Obama, his Border Patrol was tear gassing tons of people that were storming the border illegally and not a single word about it from anybody at the Drive-By Media, not a single concern, even. Nobody in media was even worried. They may not have even freaking known. But even if they had known, they wouldn’t have cared because Obama can do no wrong and Obama was never gonna be reported in a bad light like this.

So now it’s five years later and you tell people outraged over Trump separating families and Trump tear gassing kids. “Wait a minute. Obama did this back in –” “He did not. Obama wouldn’t do something like this. I know Obama. He wouldn’t do that.” The ineffectiveness of the truth about Democrats five years later, seven years later. I have to admit, it’s frustrating that that stuff has no impact on people. No effect whatsoever.

Anyway, 600,000 illegal immigrants projected to cross the border next year. You know, while these caverns are being dealt with, people are crossing the border. “But wait, Rush. I read that Trump shut it down for five hours.” I read the same thing. No, no, no. Don’t misunderstand. I’m not accusing Trump of anything. I’m pointing out the nature of the problem.

It isn’t stopping. And each day that it happens is just another drop of corruption, another drop of poison or pollution that’s affecting the overall American culture and society, diluting it, watering it down ever so slowly. It’s not stopping.

11/27/2018 7:48 PM
WE can do the same thing with Breitbart AND EVERYTHING else. You just need to look.

I'll leave you with this:

UK Guardian: Manafort Held Secret Talks with Assange in Ecuadorian Embassy, Sources Say
Mediaite: WAR! Wikileaks Rages Against Guardian: We’ll Bet a Million Dollars and ‘Editor’s Head’ Manafort Meeting Never Happened
National Review: Evaluating Paul Manafort’s Alleged Violation of His Plea Agreement – Andrew C. McCarthy
ABC: Mueller Report Will Be ‘Devastating’ for the President: Frequent Trump Defender
FOXNews: Dershowitz Urges Trump Team to ‘Be Ready’: Mueller Won’t Release ‘Balanced, Fair Report’
MarketWatch: Assange Tells Hannity that Podesta’s Password was, um, ‘Password’
Washington Free Beacon: MSNBC: Majority of Caravan Members Are Men, Some Not Talking About Asylum
Daily Wire: Was Photo Of Migrant Mother ‘Fleeing Tear Gas’ With Children At U.S. Border Staged?
American Thinker: Caravan Migrants Fake Photos for Gullible, Biased U.S. Press
NewsOne: Elijah Cummings Vows Evenhanded Investigation Of Trump Instead Of Dragging The President
StreetInsider: Senior House Democrats tap brakes on investigating Trump
Washington Post: Democrats’ Senate Losses Jeopardize National Spotlight for Possible 2020 Hopeful
Breitbart: Illegal Immigration Under Trump On Track to Hit Highest Level in a Decade
Washington Examiner: DHS: 110 percent Surge in Migrant Men Using Kids to Enter US, ‘Rampant Fraud’
Washington Times: Tear Gas Used Once a Month at Border Under Obama
Reuters: Mexico Calls for ‘Full Investigation’ of U.S. Tear Gas at Border
Daily Caller: Revealed: Trump’s Stark Message For General Motors
Daily Caller: Border Agents: Rock-Throwing Migrants Pushed Women And Children to the Front of the Horde
BGR: Elon Musk Says There’s a 70% Chance He’s Going to Move to Mars

11/27/2018 7:53 PM
YOUR TURN TANG.
11/27/2018 7:53 PM
Posted by DougOut on 11/27/2018 6:47:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tangplay on 11/27/2018 6:42:00 PM (view original):
Posted by DougOut on 11/27/2018 6:28:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tangplay on 11/27/2018 6:13:00 PM (view original):
Yes, I prefer more dignified news sources such as Rush Limbaugh, Breitbart, and CRTV.
True. Tangplay got it right here and knocked it out of the park. They have more viewers and listeners than all Fake news combined AND they provide sources to back their facts.
That's wrong on both levels.
Explain
Breitbart is fake news. Limbaugh is fake news. CRTV is (for the most part) fake news.

And they don't have more viewers than (as you say) fake news.
11/27/2018 7:56 PM
Posted by DougOut on 11/27/2018 6:58:00 PM (view original):
While we're waiting for Tang to explain, I'll just go ahead and give you the truth.

Fox News has more viewers than CNN and PMSNBC combined. Let's make an effort to post some numbers up.

Last I looked, FOX was about 5 million. Bigger than CNN and PMSNBC combined.

RUSH LIMBAUGH is 26 MILLION all by his little self.

It'll be interesting to see Tangs math.
Sources?

You aren't including PBS, Wapo, Vox, Mother Jones, ABC, NBC, NPR, Reuters, AP, BBC, CBS, The Hill, TIME, WSJ, NYT, the Guardian, etc
11/27/2018 8:00 PM
Posted by DougOut on 11/27/2018 7:43:00 PM (view original):
HERE'S a little story from earlier TODAY.

Obama and Trump Tear Gassed Illegals, Yet They’re Hitting Record Numbers!

Nov 27, 2018

RUSH: I saw a startling statistic today. It’s from Breitbart, so I tend to think that it’s valid. Now, this headline’s kind of misleading, I think, but it’s still true. “Illegal Immigration Under Trump On Track to Hit Highest Level in a Decade.” Now, when I saw the headline, my thoughts immediately went back to November of 2016 and December of 2016 and even November and then January 2017.

You remember back then we were hearing, it was being reported that the number of illegal immigrants attempting to cross the border was falling like crazy, was declining incredibly fast. That the numbers of people trying to get into America illegally was plunging, and we were told the reason why is because we just elected a new sheriff, Donaldus J. Trump, and he was gonna shut the border, and there was gonna be a wall, and these people knew.


And then, on the other hand, there were some stories, hey, they’re really ratcheting it up, they’re making a mad dash to get in while they can because Trump is not gonna put up with it.

And indeed, President Trump was elected, and of the top three issues that got him elected, dealing with illegal immigration and all of its ramifications is the number one reason he got elected – very close to also draining the swamp and returning the levers of government to more contact with average, ordinary Americans. So this statistic is that illegal immigration under Trump is on track to hit the highest level in a decade.

And here’s the text. “Illegal immigration at the United States-Mexico border is expected to hit the highest level in a decade next year, as border-crossings surged to record levels last month. Last month, illegal immigration at the southern border soared to the highest level for a single month since April 2014, marking the most southwest border crossings since President Trump was elected in 2016 on a platform to reduce immigration to the country.

“The record illegal immigration outpaced projections from Princeton Researcher Steven Kopits, who expected about 31,575 border crossings last month. The actual border crossings exceeded those expectations by almost 40 percent. The southwest border numbers, according to Kopits’ research, indicate that Fiscal Year 2019 will see the highest level of illegal immigration at the southern border in more than a decade.

“In total, Kopits projects that there will be more than 600,000 border crossings next year — a level of illegal immigration that the country has not seen since Fiscal Year 2008 when total southwest border apprehensions exceeded 705,000.”

That’s apprehensions. Now, folks, 600,000 illegal immigrants projected to get into the country next year is the equivalent of 60 caravans, roughly speaking. Does this news surprise you? Now, we know Trump has not gotten the money to build the wall. But a lot of people are under the impression, how many news stories do you see on a weekly basis, monthly basis, of all the new deportations and all the people caught and apprehended and sent back?

SO AN EXAMPLE OF CITING SOURCES IS RUSH CITING BREITBART


AND HE CLAIMS THAT IT IS VALID HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

11/27/2018 8:02 PM
Posted by tangplay on 11/27/2018 7:56:00 PM (view original):
Posted by DougOut on 11/27/2018 6:47:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tangplay on 11/27/2018 6:42:00 PM (view original):
Posted by DougOut on 11/27/2018 6:28:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tangplay on 11/27/2018 6:13:00 PM (view original):
Yes, I prefer more dignified news sources such as Rush Limbaugh, Breitbart, and CRTV.
True. Tangplay got it right here and knocked it out of the park. They have more viewers and listeners than all Fake news combined AND they provide sources to back their facts.
That's wrong on both levels.
Explain
Breitbart is fake news. Limbaugh is fake news. CRTV is (for the most part) fake news.

And they don't have more viewers than (as you say) fake news.
OHH! You sound desperate. Calm down son.

What you posted is opinion and VERY emotional.

No numbers or facts. PLEASE compose yourself.
11/27/2018 8:05 PM
Well I am very happy for you, Doug.

LIBERALS haven't learned that you need ONE powerful news channel and ONE only to control the liberal narratives and SPIN.

CONSERVATIVES have that figured out. Fox News spits out so much hatred and false narratives yet conservatives are smart (dumb) enough to only watch that.

Yet Fox News viewers are consistently, on almost every single poll, the most misinformed out of all cable news channels.

Who knew?

Thanks DOUG for yet again proving that conservatives have nothing to fear as long as FOX is here.
11/27/2018 8:07 PM
Posted by DougOut on 11/27/2018 8:05:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tangplay on 11/27/2018 7:56:00 PM (view original):
Posted by DougOut on 11/27/2018 6:47:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tangplay on 11/27/2018 6:42:00 PM (view original):
Posted by DougOut on 11/27/2018 6:28:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tangplay on 11/27/2018 6:13:00 PM (view original):
Yes, I prefer more dignified news sources such as Rush Limbaugh, Breitbart, and CRTV.
True. Tangplay got it right here and knocked it out of the park. They have more viewers and listeners than all Fake news combined AND they provide sources to back their facts.
That's wrong on both levels.
Explain
Breitbart is fake news. Limbaugh is fake news. CRTV is (for the most part) fake news.

And they don't have more viewers than (as you say) fake news.
OHH! You sound desperate. Calm down son.

What you posted is opinion and VERY emotional.

No numbers or facts. PLEASE compose yourself.
How do we determine what is 'fake news'
11/27/2018 8:09 PM
https://www.marketplace.org/2018/06/04/business/race-primetime-cable-news-viewers-heats-between-fox-news-msnbc-and-cnn

The latest survey from Nielsen shows CNN is losing the prime time cable news race. It has 944,000 viewers from 8 to 11 p.m. EST. Compare that to 2.3 million for Fox News and 1.7 million for MSNBC.

MSN + CNN > Fox

But OF COURSE Fox is going to have more viewers. IT'S THE ONLY MAINSTREAM CONSERVATIVE NEWS CHANNEL! Liberals are divided between MSN, CNN, and more moderate channels like CBS, NBC, etc. Hardcore conservative Trumpers like you, Doug, only have Fox, talk radio, and conspiracy-spewing crap!

11/27/2018 8:10 PM
Posted by tangplay on 11/27/2018 8:00:00 PM (view original):
Posted by DougOut on 11/27/2018 6:58:00 PM (view original):
While we're waiting for Tang to explain, I'll just go ahead and give you the truth.

Fox News has more viewers than CNN and PMSNBC combined. Let's make an effort to post some numbers up.

Last I looked, FOX was about 5 million. Bigger than CNN and PMSNBC combined.

RUSH LIMBAUGH is 26 MILLION all by his little self.

It'll be interesting to see Tangs math.
Sources?

You aren't including PBS, Wapo, Vox, Mother Jones, ABC, NBC, NPR, Reuters, AP, BBC, CBS, The Hill, TIME, WSJ, NYT, the Guardian, etc
MY MY MY. Are we a little conflicted here? Let's take a step back.

Viewership is one thing...Sources is another. I just think you're a little mixed up.

I'm simply pointing out FOX beats CNN and PMSNBC on cable news VIEWERSHIP AND RUSH LIMBAUGH along with the others you named provide sources for their reporting. That's all.

Why don't you do us all a favor and post something from say........Vox or Mother Jones, and give us their source. Thank You.
11/27/2018 8:16 PM
AND BY THE WAY.................

Is it true Obama gassed border crossers from 2012 to 2017?
11/27/2018 8:19 PM
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