Posted by wylie715 on 7/13/2018 2:16:00 PM (view original):

Posted by laramiebob on 7/13/2018 1:26:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 7/13/2018 1:17:00 PM (view original):

Posted by laramiebob on 7/13/2018 1:14:00 PM (view original):
I think I get all these opinions about the meaning of an opinion.............after all, we've been around this loop before here..........

Except for one.
Some claim an "opinion" can't be wrong.......... I think that claim is based on the fact that it's just an opinion thus it "can't be wrong".......

Someone who believes that way please explain to dumb old me............how were the humans who believed the Earth was flat NOT wrong?
They were obviously wrong, no? The Earth is not flat. That's fact. Thus the "opinion" held by so many humans at the time was incorrect. WRONG.

Seems to dumb old me that their shared opinions on the Earth's flatness was WRONG. A wrong opinion.

Can somebody help me?
Should be easier than getting me to support Repugnants from the "right".............

Until you have proof it is an opinion. Once you garner proof it’s a fact. If my opinion in 2001 was Tom Brady was the steal of the draft it’s just that. After seeing his career we can agree that the opinion became a fact.

If I argue that Tom Brady was the most handsome player drafted in 2001, it is just an opinion because that is really subjective.

Thx for trying Boris. But that ain't helpful. Sure it's an opinion BEFORE facts come to light and disprove the opinion......... but after the "proof" is revealed (thru the facts appearance) then that opinion is /was WRONG. Thus an opinion can damn sure be wrong......... no?

No. Once it has been proven wrong, it is no longer an opinion.

Posted by cccp1014 on 7/13/2018 10:14:00 AM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 7/13/2018 6:51:00 AM (view original):
It I was my opinion that y'all have too much time on your hands. When do you guys ever work?

I am on vacation

Posted by bad_luck on 7/13/2018 1:43:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 7/13/2018 12:41:00 PM (view original):
Parsing the meaning of opinion and distinguishing opinions from judgments from facts from truths from matters of taste is a deep philosophical well that I doubt any of us are equipped to properly dive into.

For example, if the one and only acceptable definition of opinion is a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty, and I say, "raw onions are disgusting," that isn't an opinion. I've eaten raw onions and I have grounds sufficient to be completely certain that they are disgusting. You may think the exact opposite and neither of us are wrong and neither of us are expressing an opinion.

Another example: Mike Trout is a better offensive player than Alcides Escobar. That isn't an opinion either. I have sufficient grounds to say that with certainty.

But, I'm not a car mechanic. If my car is acting up and I say, "I think it needs new spark plugs," that is an opinion. I do not have sufficient grounds to produce complete certainty that the plugs are the problem. And it's an opinion that could be wrong.

I'll just post this again along with the definition wylie copied from the dictionary: a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty.

The fact that person A lacks grounds to produce complete certainty doesn't mean those grounds don't exist, making the opinion wrong.

Going back to a car as an example. If I hear a noise coming from the engine, I might form the opinion that there's a knock in one of the cylinders. That's an opinion. I don't have grounds to produce certainty. If the noise is actually an exhaust leak, my opinion is wrong. It was wrong the moment I formed it. The fact that I didn't know I was wrong doesn't change the fact that my opinion was always wrong.

Posted by laramiebob on 7/13/2018 3:00:00 PM (view original):
I'm with Taint on that one

Posted by cccp1014 on 7/13/2018 3:09:00 PM (view original):

Posted by laramiebob on 7/13/2018 3:00:00 PM (view original):
I'm with Taint on that one

I am at the pool and constantly replying to work emails.

Posted by tangplay on 7/13/2018 3:22:00 PM (view original):
All this talk about Alcides Escobar is giving me PTSD.

Posted by The Taint on 7/13/2018 3:25:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 7/13/2018 3:09:00 PM (view original):

Posted by laramiebob on 7/13/2018 3:00:00 PM (view original):
I'm with Taint on that one

I am at the pool and constantly replying to work emails.

You aint on vacation then. Shut that ***** down. Flick on airplane mode on your phone and turn it into a camers.

relax

Posted by cccp1014 on 7/13/2018 3:25:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 7/13/2018 3:22:00 PM (view original):
All this talk about Alcides Escobar is giving me PTSD.

Racist

Posted by The Taint on 7/13/2018 8:36:00 PM (view original):
Ok. Seeing whats happening. Who's going down with the Trump train? Raise your hand if you believe the president is innocent and had nothing to do with russian involvement in our electoral process.