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Posted by cccp1014 on 7/6/2018 10:36:00 AM (view original):
I can see Berkley banning the KKK or BLM but Ben Shapiro is super benign. Those people are insane. Like bad luck.

The ACLU has fought for the KKK (and from a constitutional perspective rightfully so) to hold rallies, march in parades, etc., and won those cases. I'm not sure, if pressed to the legal limit, Berkeley could exclude any group that was determined to speak on campus. So far, Berkeley has gotten away with it mostly through intimidation and bluffing. If Berkeley actually outright refused (and went to court to defend that refusal,) it would cost every university professor their right to free speech which they exercise so frequently and declare themselves immune to repercussions based on those free speech protections.

I just meant I could see why they would want to as those are truly hate groups but Ben Shapiro is benign. I am not talking about the rule of law.

Agreed. I wouldn't "want" the KKK speaking at my alma mater as well. Berkeley's issue, and we are on the same page here, is that they show obvious bias against anyone who holds a contrary view to the views of the university administration. Sooner or later, they are going to get inro boiling water because of it.

Posted by cccp1014 on 7/6/2018 12:19:00 PM (view original):
How do you produce cheaper jets? The cost is the sum of its parts? LOL.

So now you're going to tell Lockheed Martin that you will pay less for the jets, so would that not impact jobs, safety, innovation, etc? You do realize, Tang, that the military does not build its own jets, it buys them from the private sector, which is why when you increase that budget you also help out the private sector. I swear my middle school kids are smarter than you.

The relation of jets to costs is much different here than it is for places like China and Russia, right? That's because we spend more money on individual jets. Yes, we buy them from the private sector. But you are talking jobs. The same amount of jets means the same amount of jobs. You are acting like not spending 700 billion on the military will destroy the economy. Spending, say, 500 billion on the military will still be the most in the world.

I agree with Tang. Way too much wasted money and fluff in the military budget. Actually there is way too much wasted money in all sectors of government, which is one reason why I don't understand why Tang puts so much faith in government. Government can't seem to do anything right.

Yes, our flag. Yours and mine. I served to honor our flag, my flag...I wasn't hogging it. I share...

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Posted by cccp1014 on 7/5/2018 4:19:00 PM (view original):
Liberal outrage at Berkley --- 600 police officers hired when Ben Shapiro wanted to speak there. LOL.

Talk about free speech.

Conservative outrage in America—the President freaks out when NFL players kneel. LOL

Talk about free speech.

False equivalency. NFL players are employees who in many eyes disrespected veterans. Since the color guard is always out and the announcer says "please stand so we can honor those who served".

You just cannot accept that you are ever wrong.

The constitution gives Ben Shapiro as much right to speak at Berkeley as it does the NFL players the right to kneel. Meaning, they are both protected from government action but not guaranteed a forum. The NFL, Berkeley, etc do not have to allow them the space to speak.

Indeed they don't but there were those that wanted to hear him speak. Have you ever heard him speak? He is at best benign. Yet people rioted because they did not like what he had to say and it took 600 police officers to hold them at bay. The fact that you cannot see that this is insanity is mind boggling to me. He actually does a Q & A at the end of each speech and welcomes those that oppose his views to speak first and debate very civilly.

You are honestly a terrible person and very one sided. Yes, I would say that to your face too.

People protested. They excercised their right to free speech also. Shapiro is free to stand on a street corner and say anything he wants. He isn’t guaranteed a hosted speaking engagement at a university.

Posted by cccp1014 on 7/6/2018 10:31:00 AM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 7/6/2018 10:24:00 AM (view original):

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Posted by tangplay on 7/5/2018 6:31:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 7/5/2018 10:29:00 AM (view original):
Why are we cutting the military budget, that actually generates jobs vs. addressing entitlements?

Cutting the military budget won't mean less jobs generated.

How so? Do you know how many sub contractors rely on the military? That is such an ignorant and incorrect statement.

Cutting any government spending reduces jobs.

How would cutting entitlements reduce jobs? Do tell.

What entitlement are you talking about?

Posted by gomiami1972 on 7/6/2018 11:47:00 AM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 7/6/2018 10:36:00 AM (view original):
I can see Berkley banning the KKK or BLM but Ben Shapiro is super benign. Those people are insane. Like bad luck.

The ACLU has fought for the KKK (and from a constitutional perspective rightfully so) to hold rallies, march in parades, etc., and won those cases. I'm not sure, if pressed to the legal limit, Berkeley could exclude any group that was determined to speak on campus. So far, Berkeley has gotten away with it mostly through intimidation and bluffing. If Berkeley actually outright refused (and went to court to defend that refusal,) it would cost every university professor their right to free speech which they exercise so frequently and declare themselves immune to repercussions based on those free speech protections.

Why would Berkeley have to go to court. If I want to go speak there, do they have to allow it? Do they have to let me use an amphitheater?

Posted by tangplay on 7/6/2018 3:50:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 7/6/2018 12:19:00 PM (view original):
How do you produce cheaper jets? The cost is the sum of its parts? LOL.

So now you're going to tell Lockheed Martin that you will pay less for the jets, so would that not impact jobs, safety, innovation, etc? You do realize, Tang, that the military does not build its own jets, it buys them from the private sector, which is why when you increase that budget you also help out the private sector. I swear my middle school kids are smarter than you.

The relation of jets to costs is much different here than it is for places like China and Russia, right? That's because we spend more money on individual jets. Yes, we buy them from the private sector. But you are talking jobs. The same amount of jets means the same amount of jobs. You are acting like not spending 700 billion on the military will destroy the economy. Spending, say, 500 billion on the military will still be the most in the world.

What? No China and Russia spend the same per jet. And lowering the budget by $200mil would cost jobs and companies to go bankrupt. See Sequester.

Are you insane?

Posted by bad_luck on 7/6/2018 4:50:00 PM (view original):

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Posted by cccp1014 on 7/5/2018 10:29:00 AM (view original):
Why are we cutting the military budget, that actually generates jobs vs. addressing entitlements?

Cutting the military budget won't mean less jobs generated.

How so? Do you know how many sub contractors rely on the military? That is such an ignorant and incorrect statement.

Cutting any government spending reduces jobs.

How would cutting entitlements reduce jobs? Do tell.

What entitlement are you talking about?

Medicare and Medicaid

Posted by bad_luck on 7/6/2018 4:53:00 PM (view original):

Posted by gomiami1972 on 7/6/2018 11:47:00 AM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 7/6/2018 10:36:00 AM (view original):
I can see Berkley banning the KKK or BLM but Ben Shapiro is super benign. Those people are insane. Like bad luck.

The ACLU has fought for the KKK (and from a constitutional perspective rightfully so) to hold rallies, march in parades, etc., and won those cases. I'm not sure, if pressed to the legal limit, Berkeley could exclude any group that was determined to speak on campus. So far, Berkeley has gotten away with it mostly through intimidation and bluffing. If Berkeley actually outright refused (and went to court to defend that refusal,) it would cost every university professor their right to free speech which they exercise so frequently and declare themselves immune to repercussions based on those free speech protections.

Why would Berkeley have to go to court. If I want to go speak there, do they have to allow it? Do they have to let me use an amphitheater?

They should being a publicly funded school. I can see blatant hate groups being boycotted but not Bill Mahr or Ben Shapiro. That is just plain stupid.

Posted by bad_luck on 7/6/2018 4:50:00 PM (view original):

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Posted by bad_luck on 7/5/2018 7:10:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 7/5/2018 4:19:00 PM (view original):
Liberal outrage at Berkley --- 600 police officers hired when Ben Shapiro wanted to speak there. LOL.

Talk about free speech.

Conservative outrage in America—the President freaks out when NFL players kneel. LOL

Talk about free speech.

False equivalency. NFL players are employees who in many eyes disrespected veterans. Since the color guard is always out and the announcer says "please stand so we can honor those who served".

You just cannot accept that you are ever wrong.

The constitution gives Ben Shapiro as much right to speak at Berkeley as it does the NFL players the right to kneel. Meaning, they are both protected from government action but not guaranteed a forum. The NFL, Berkeley, etc do not have to allow them the space to speak.

Indeed they don't but there were those that wanted to hear him speak. Have you ever heard him speak? He is at best benign. Yet people rioted because they did not like what he had to say and it took 600 police officers to hold them at bay. The fact that you cannot see that this is insanity is mind boggling to me. He actually does a Q & A at the end of each speech and welcomes those that oppose his views to speak first and debate very civilly.

You are honestly a terrible person and very one sided. Yes, I would say that to your face too.

People protested. They excercised their right to free speech also. Shapiro is free to stand on a street corner and say anything he wants. He isn’t guaranteed a hosted speaking engagement at a university.

But half the student body wanted him there and the half that whined and cried got their way. Are you saying that 100% of the students did not want him there or did a select few ruin it for the majority. As I said, Ben is a conservative but he never preaches violence or intolerance and encourages debates.

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Posted by tangplay on 7/6/2018 3:50:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 7/6/2018 12:19:00 PM (view original):
How do you produce cheaper jets? The cost is the sum of its parts? LOL.

So now you're going to tell Lockheed Martin that you will pay less for the jets, so would that not impact jobs, safety, innovation, etc? You do realize, Tang, that the military does not build its own jets, it buys them from the private sector, which is why when you increase that budget you also help out the private sector. I swear my middle school kids are smarter than you.

The relation of jets to costs is much different here than it is for places like China and Russia, right? That's because we spend more money on individual jets. Yes, we buy them from the private sector. But you are talking jobs. The same amount of jets means the same amount of jobs. You are acting like not spending 700 billion on the military will destroy the economy. Spending, say, 500 billion on the military will still be the most in the world.

What? No China and Russia spend the same per jet. And lowering the budget by $200mil would cost jobs and companies to go bankrupt. See Sequester.

Are you insane?

No, they don't compared to us. We spend way more on project jets that cost billions. How many jobs?

Posted by cccp1014 on 7/6/2018 4:54:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 7/6/2018 4:50:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 7/6/2018 10:31:00 AM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 7/6/2018 10:24:00 AM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 7/6/2018 10:11:00 AM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 7/5/2018 6:31:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 7/5/2018 10:29:00 AM (view original):
Why are we cutting the military budget, that actually generates jobs vs. addressing entitlements?

Cutting the military budget won't mean less jobs generated.

How so? Do you know how many sub contractors rely on the military? That is such an ignorant and incorrect statement.

Cutting any government spending reduces jobs.

How would cutting entitlements reduce jobs? Do tell.

What entitlement are you talking about?

Medicare and Medicaid

So we cut Medicare. The dollars we were spending are no longer being spent. You don’t think that impacts jobs?

Posted by cccp1014 on 7/6/2018 4:55:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 7/6/2018 4:53:00 PM (view original):

Posted by gomiami1972 on 7/6/2018 11:47:00 AM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 7/6/2018 10:36:00 AM (view original):
I can see Berkley banning the KKK or BLM but Ben Shapiro is super benign. Those people are insane. Like bad luck.

The ACLU has fought for the KKK (and from a constitutional perspective rightfully so) to hold rallies, march in parades, etc., and won those cases. I'm not sure, if pressed to the legal limit, Berkeley could exclude any group that was determined to speak on campus. So far, Berkeley has gotten away with it mostly through intimidation and bluffing. If Berkeley actually outright refused (and went to court to defend that refusal,) it would cost every university professor their right to free speech which they exercise so frequently and declare themselves immune to repercussions based on those free speech protections.

Why would Berkeley have to go to court. If I want to go speak there, do they have to allow it? Do they have to let me use an amphitheater?

They should being a publicly funded school. I can see blatant hate groups being boycotted but not Bill Mahr or Ben Shapiro. That is just plain stupid.

So the school has to allow EVERYONE that wants to speak a space to do so? Or do they get the discretion to decide who can have an audience there?

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Posted by bad_luck on 7/6/2018 4:50:00 PM (view original):

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Posted by bad_luck on 7/5/2018 7:10:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 7/5/2018 4:19:00 PM (view original):
Liberal outrage at Berkley --- 600 police officers hired when Ben Shapiro wanted to speak there. LOL.

Talk about free speech.

Conservative outrage in America—the President freaks out when NFL players kneel. LOL

Talk about free speech.

False equivalency. NFL players are employees who in many eyes disrespected veterans. Since the color guard is always out and the announcer says "please stand so we can honor those who served".

You just cannot accept that you are ever wrong.

The constitution gives Ben Shapiro as much right to speak at Berkeley as it does the NFL players the right to kneel. Meaning, they are both protected from government action but not guaranteed a forum. The NFL, Berkeley, etc do not have to allow them the space to speak.

Indeed they don't but there were those that wanted to hear him speak. Have you ever heard him speak? He is at best benign. Yet people rioted because they did not like what he had to say and it took 600 police officers to hold them at bay. The fact that you cannot see that this is insanity is mind boggling to me. He actually does a Q & A at the end of each speech and welcomes those that oppose his views to speak first and debate very civilly.

You are honestly a terrible person and very one sided. Yes, I would say that to your face too.

People protested. They excercised their right to free speech also. Shapiro is free to stand on a street corner and say anything he wants. He isn’t guaranteed a hosted speaking engagement at a university.

But half the student body wanted him there and the half that whined and cried got their way. Are you saying that 100% of the students did not want him there or did a select few ruin it for the majority. As I said, Ben is a conservative but he never preaches violence or intolerance and encourages debates.

How do you know “half the student body” wanted him there?