By choosing not to arrest someone, you aren’t violating their due process rights. Idiot.

Posted by bad_luck on 6/26/2018 9:54:00 AM (view original):

Posted by all3 on 6/26/2018 9:36:00 AM (view original):
Seriously, how are you so freakin' stupid about so many things? "Due process", by whatever definition you want to use, involves someone or some group determining if some other person or group has done something illegal. Pursuing and catching that person or group is most certainly a vital step in that. You want to have Judges and juries sit in a courtroom with no defendant. Never mind, you're dumb enough to say yes.

I almost never open your posts because 99% of the time they are unintelligible rants of an idiot and, while this one is also the rant of an idiot, it’s hilarious. So, here we go.

CCCP is arguing that due process isn’t working so it needs to be eliminated when dealing with illegal immigrants.

He also cited the BP not pursuing the coyote as a failure of due process.

So...um...which is it? Should we give the coyote due process and bring him to trial? Or should we let him go without pursuit?

bad luck, wait. What exactly is your operational definition of "due process" please?

I like this one: "Fair treatment through the normal judicial system, especially as a citizen's entitlement".

Thanks

I don't believe juries have any part in normal "immigration" due process cases. Just Federal Judges.

There IS one answer to this problem but (hardly) no one is willing to go there............

Shut OFF ALL immigration (except for National security purposes).
NOBODY gets in anymore.
We don't need more citizens.............nor stupid humans residing here.
Got plenty.
We filled our borders sufficiently ----------- from sea to shining sea.
WAY too many people in Arizona and we's a rather small state--population wise.

NO MORE NEED for immigration at ALL!
Shut it down............ only visitors get across the border-----------legally------------ spend $$$$$------------- then go HOME!
Then concentrate on the LAWBREAKERS who sneak in. They can't LIVE here (in that case) so why are they sneaking in?
Obviously for nefarious reasons!
STOP THEM! Use all means possible. Border Patrol agents then know they can arrest ANY "illegal crosser" or use FORCE to stop the entry!
Shoot to kill, if necessary.

A few well publicized "bodies" returned to their own homeland would (likely) be a sufficient deterrent.
Still think I'm an evil lib? LOL

Posted by cccp1014 on 6/26/2018 10:06:00 AM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 6/26/2018 9:54:00 AM (view original):

Posted by all3 on 6/26/2018 9:36:00 AM (view original):
Seriously, how are you so freakin' stupid about so many things? "Due process", by whatever definition you want to use, involves someone or some group determining if some other person or group has done something illegal. Pursuing and catching that person or group is most certainly a vital step in that. You want to have Judges and juries sit in a courtroom with no defendant. Never mind, you're dumb enough to say yes.

I almost never open your posts because 99% of the time they are unintelligible rants of an idiot and, while this one is also the rant of an idiot, it’s hilarious. So, here we go.

CCCP is arguing that due process isn’t working so it needs to be eliminated when dealing with illegal immigrants.

He also cited the BP not pursuing the coyote as a failure of due process.

So...um...which is it? Should we give the coyote due process and bring him to trial? Or should we let him go without pursuit?

bad luck, wait. What exactly is your operational definition of "due process" please?

I like this one: "Fair treatment through the normal judicial system, especially as a citizen's entitlement".

Thanks

Due process is a safeguard from arbitrary denial of life, liberty, or property by the government outside the sanction of law.

Posted by bad_luck on 6/26/2018 10:02:00 AM (view original):
By choosing not to arrest someone, you aren’t violating their due process rights. Idiot.

It was not a choice, he jumped into a river and for some reason the agents are not allowed to pursue. Maybe the river is a point of contention IDK.

Again, bad luck. What is YOUR solution? You want to treat illegals the same way that citizens are treated? Same due process?

Is that correct?

Posted by bad_luck on 6/26/2018 10:08:00 AM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 6/26/2018 10:06:00 AM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 6/26/2018 9:54:00 AM (view original):

Posted by all3 on 6/26/2018 9:36:00 AM (view original):
Seriously, how are you so freakin' stupid about so many things? "Due process", by whatever definition you want to use, involves someone or some group determining if some other person or group has done something illegal. Pursuing and catching that person or group is most certainly a vital step in that. You want to have Judges and juries sit in a courtroom with no defendant. Never mind, you're dumb enough to say yes.

I almost never open your posts because 99% of the time they are unintelligible rants of an idiot and, while this one is also the rant of an idiot, it’s hilarious. So, here we go.

CCCP is arguing that due process isn’t working so it needs to be eliminated when dealing with illegal immigrants.

He also cited the BP not pursuing the coyote as a failure of due process.

So...um...which is it? Should we give the coyote due process and bring him to trial? Or should we let him go without pursuit?

bad luck, wait. What exactly is your operational definition of "due process" please?

I like this one: "Fair treatment through the normal judicial system, especially as a citizen's entitlement".

Thanks

Due process is a safeguard from arbitrary denial of life, liberty, or property by the government outside the sanction of law.

Does that apply to citizens or to anyone who steps on US soil?

How is sending an illegal back denying them life, liberty or property?

1. They don't own property in the US
2. We aren't taking their life
3. Liberty is earned not given just by stepping on US soil. They are free to go back to their country and reapply to enter the US legally.

So by your own operational definition we are not denying these persons their due process.

I am not going to pick sides in the all3 - bad luck debate but I will say this. I understand 100% of all3's posts. I understand maybe 70% of bad luck's posts because he talks in circles, rarely answers questions and provides hypothetical scenarios that have a smaller chance of taking place than me winning the lottery.

Posted by cccp1014 on 6/26/2018 10:11:00 AM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 6/26/2018 10:08:00 AM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 6/26/2018 10:06:00 AM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 6/26/2018 9:54:00 AM (view original):

Posted by all3 on 6/26/2018 9:36:00 AM (view original):
Seriously, how are you so freakin' stupid about so many things? "Due process", by whatever definition you want to use, involves someone or some group determining if some other person or group has done something illegal. Pursuing and catching that person or group is most certainly a vital step in that. You want to have Judges and juries sit in a courtroom with no defendant. Never mind, you're dumb enough to say yes.

I almost never open your posts because 99% of the time they are unintelligible rants of an idiot and, while this one is also the rant of an idiot, it’s hilarious. So, here we go.

CCCP is arguing that due process isn’t working so it needs to be eliminated when dealing with illegal immigrants.

He also cited the BP not pursuing the coyote as a failure of due process.

So...um...which is it? Should we give the coyote due process and bring him to trial? Or should we let him go without pursuit?

bad luck, wait. What exactly is your operational definition of "due process" please?

I like this one: "Fair treatment through the normal judicial system, especially as a citizen's entitlement".

Thanks

Due process is a safeguard from arbitrary denial of life, liberty, or property by the government outside the sanction of law.

Does that apply to citizens or to anyone who steps on US soil?

How is sending an illegal back denying them life, liberty or property?

1. They don't own property in the US
2. We aren't taking their life
3. Liberty is earned not given just by stepping on US soil. They are free to go back to their country and reapply to enter the US legally.

So by your own operational definition we are not denying these persons their due process.

Anyone on US soil. Due process is the only process available to determine if someone doesn’t belong. If we deport people who do belong here, we are depriving them of liberty.

Posted by bad_luck on 6/26/2018 10:16:00 AM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 6/26/2018 10:11:00 AM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 6/26/2018 10:08:00 AM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 6/26/2018 10:06:00 AM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 6/26/2018 9:54:00 AM (view original):

Posted by all3 on 6/26/2018 9:36:00 AM (view original):
Seriously, how are you so freakin' stupid about so many things? "Due process", by whatever definition you want to use, involves someone or some group determining if some other person or group has done something illegal. Pursuing and catching that person or group is most certainly a vital step in that. You want to have Judges and juries sit in a courtroom with no defendant. Never mind, you're dumb enough to say yes.

I almost never open your posts because 99% of the time they are unintelligible rants of an idiot and, while this one is also the rant of an idiot, it’s hilarious. So, here we go.

CCCP is arguing that due process isn’t working so it needs to be eliminated when dealing with illegal immigrants.

He also cited the BP not pursuing the coyote as a failure of due process.

So...um...which is it? Should we give the coyote due process and bring him to trial? Or should we let him go without pursuit?

bad luck, wait. What exactly is your operational definition of "due process" please?

I like this one: "Fair treatment through the normal judicial system, especially as a citizen's entitlement".

Thanks

Due process is a safeguard from arbitrary denial of life, liberty, or property by the government outside the sanction of law.

Does that apply to citizens or to anyone who steps on US soil?

How is sending an illegal back denying them life, liberty or property?

1. They don't own property in the US
2. We aren't taking their life
3. Liberty is earned not given just by stepping on US soil. They are free to go back to their country and reapply to enter the US legally.

So by your own operational definition we are not denying these persons their due process.

Anyone on US soil. Due process is the only process available to determine if someone doesn’t belong. If we deport people who do belong here, we are depriving them of liberty.

OK, what sort of due process do you want to give to people who are obviously here as illegals?

• Do we provide them attorneys
• Do we provide them food and shelter and medicine
• What time frame do we allocate per case

How do you intend to pay for all this? US tax $$?

Would it not make more sense to increase border security and to provide an expedited level of due process by empowering our border agents?

I know it is difficult for you to use logic. I do. But can you at least sort off see where I am coming from here?

Vegas odds state you won't answer my questions. LOL

That this needs to be explained and that an American citizen is talking about getting rid of due process rights is astounding to me

Posted by The Taint on 6/26/2018 10:21:00 AM (view original):
That this needs to be explained and that an American citizen is talking about getting rid of due process rights is astounding to me

Due process rights for illegal aliens that are caught red handed. Absolutely.

A guy is shooting at a police officer, the officer fires back and kills him. Sorry, didn't have time for due process, as he was getting shot at. Same here. If these persons are caught red handed, its time to send them back. Sometimes commons sense needs to prevail.

I am glad your are astounded. I too am astounded by your narrow mindedness.

We should have just empowered George Zimmerman to be the neighborhood cop in Florida, let him be judge, jury and executioner. What could go wrong?

Posted by The Taint on 6/26/2018 10:21:00 AM (view original):
That this needs to be explained and that an American citizen is talking about getting rid of due process rights is astounding to me

It’s really un-*******-believable.

Posted by The Taint on 6/26/2018 10:25:00 AM (view original):
We should have just empowered George Zimmerman to be the neighborhood cop in Florida, let him be judge, jury and executioner. What could go wrong?

I said border agents. Trained paramilitary group. I didn't say private citizens. False equivalency. Which is the main weapon of the Left and the Right.

Sorry, won't work here. Try again.

Posted by bad_luck on 6/26/2018 10:26:00 AM (view original):

Posted by The Taint on 6/26/2018 10:21:00 AM (view original):
That this needs to be explained and that an American citizen is talking about getting rid of due process rights is astounding to me

It’s really un-*******-believable.

Don't cry because someone disagrees with you. Please don't cry.