Posted by bad_luck on 6/25/2018 1:42:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 6/25/2018 1:39:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 6/25/2018 1:31:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 6/25/2018 1:29:00 PM (view original):
Correct because you are a citizen, etc. And usually you settle out of court because the trial is a done deal when you are obviously guilty. So...in this case these are non US citizens, breaking the law and common sense states there is no reason to give them the same rights as citizens.

The Supreme Court has held that every person on US soil is entitled to due process.

Otherwise, there is no way to prove citizenship.

Right and he is looking to change that with new people on the SC.

Time will tell if this happens.

No, he’s not. He’s not actually arguing that due process should be eliminated for everyone. Because that’s what would happen if the SC overturned its own prior ruling.

So now you read his mind? He is just talking about the border and immigration. He is not talking about your rights. Geez. Relax.

I know you want to have open borders but obviously many disagree with you.

Posted by cccp1014 on 6/25/2018 1:44:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 6/25/2018 1:42:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 6/25/2018 1:39:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 6/25/2018 1:31:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 6/25/2018 1:29:00 PM (view original):
Correct because you are a citizen, etc. And usually you settle out of court because the trial is a done deal when you are obviously guilty. So...in this case these are non US citizens, breaking the law and common sense states there is no reason to give them the same rights as citizens.

The Supreme Court has held that every person on US soil is entitled to due process.

Otherwise, there is no way to prove citizenship.

Right and he is looking to change that with new people on the SC.

Time will tell if this happens.

No, he’s not. He’s not actually arguing that due process should be eliminated for everyone. Because that’s what would happen if the SC overturned its own prior ruling.

So now you read his mind? He is just talking about the border and immigration. He is not talking about your rights. Geez. Relax.

I know you want to have open borders but obviously many disagree with you.

If the SC overturns its prior ruling and says that due process DOESN’T apply to everyone on US soil, then who does due process apply to?

Posted by bad_luck on 6/25/2018 1:48:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 6/25/2018 1:44:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 6/25/2018 1:42:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 6/25/2018 1:39:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 6/25/2018 1:31:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 6/25/2018 1:29:00 PM (view original):
Correct because you are a citizen, etc. And usually you settle out of court because the trial is a done deal when you are obviously guilty. So...in this case these are non US citizens, breaking the law and common sense states there is no reason to give them the same rights as citizens.

The Supreme Court has held that every person on US soil is entitled to due process.

Otherwise, there is no way to prove citizenship.

Right and he is looking to change that with new people on the SC.

Time will tell if this happens.

No, he’s not. He’s not actually arguing that due process should be eliminated for everyone. Because that’s what would happen if the SC overturned its own prior ruling.

So now you read his mind? He is just talking about the border and immigration. He is not talking about your rights. Geez. Relax.

I know you want to have open borders but obviously many disagree with you.

If the SC overturns its prior ruling and says that due process DOESN’T apply to everyone on US soil, then who does due process apply to?

US Citizens and those legally on US soil. Green cards, visas, etc.

Again, you are jumping to conclusions here. I am definitely a border security hawk, you're a dove. It is OK for us to disagree.

I’m not jumping to any conclusion.

Lets walk through it. Around 6am, the Border patrol in Arizona sees a man walk across a field from Mexico into the US.

They stop him. What happens next?

I don't think anyone can walk across any border. He would be breaking the law and be sent back, I hope. Imagine if I just cross into Canada for the fun of it? There are checkpoints and you have to present your passport, etc. You cannot just walk into another country.

What am I missing here?

Posted by cccp1014 on 6/25/2018 2:08:00 PM (view original):
I don't think anyone can walk across any border. He would be breaking the law and be sent back, I hope. Imagine if I just cross into Canada for the fun of it? There are checkpoints and you have to present your passport, etc. You cannot just walk into another country.

What am I missing here?

A lot, apparently. Do they know if he is a US citizen?

you can

you are thinking of airports and roads, checkpoints and fences

every where aint berlin1960

prolly he carries papers with him always like all good citizens

honest papers with all the right stamps and seals

who but a criminal leaves his house w/o ID

Posted by bad_luck on 6/25/2018 2:12:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 6/25/2018 2:08:00 PM (view original):
I don't think anyone can walk across any border. He would be breaking the law and be sent back, I hope. Imagine if I just cross into Canada for the fun of it? There are checkpoints and you have to present your passport, etc. You cannot just walk into another country.

What am I missing here?

A lot, apparently. Do they know if he is a US citizen?

They will when they ask him.

If it is I, I tell them right away my name is Joe Smith, I am from Tampa Florida, my SS is...I mean they can use common sense. I know you lack it but most people have it. When a burglar breaks into your house he is breaking the law. While he is assumed innocent until proven guilty, common sense states he is guilty. Obviously you don't think so, hence this debate is pointless.

Americans returning from Mexico require a passport, birth certificate, resident alien or a SENTRI card. You must prove that you are a legal resident of the United States, not a citizen, to get in to and out of Mexico. ... If you travel by air, you must have a valid passport.

Seem simple. If you cannot produce such documents you need to explain yourself or be sent back....

Posted by cccp1014 on 6/25/2018 2:15:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 6/25/2018 2:12:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 6/25/2018 2:08:00 PM (view original):
I don't think anyone can walk across any border. He would be breaking the law and be sent back, I hope. Imagine if I just cross into Canada for the fun of it? There are checkpoints and you have to present your passport, etc. You cannot just walk into another country.

What am I missing here?

A lot, apparently. Do they know if he is a US citizen?

They will when they ask him.

If it is I, I tell them right away my name is Joe Smith, I am from Tampa Florida, my SS is...I mean they can use common sense. I know you lack it but most people have it. When a burglar breaks into your house he is breaking the law. While he is assumed innocent until proven guilty, common sense states he is guilty. Obviously you don't think so, hence this debate is pointless.

He says yes. His name is Jose Gonzalez. He has no ID, he lost his wallet and his car broke down in Mexico.

Lastly, it could be worse. From the Liberal USA Today.

Read for yourself.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2016/06/15/immigrants-mexico-abused-kidnapped/85798440/

Posted by cccp1014 on 6/25/2018 2:17:00 PM (view original):
Americans returning from Mexico require a passport, birth certificate, resident alien or a SENTRI card. You must prove that you are a legal resident of the United States, not a citizen, to get in to and out of Mexico. ... If you travel by air, you must have a valid passport.

Seem simple. If you cannot produce such documents you need to explain yourself or be sent back....

You can’t arrest someone not in the US. You can only turn them away. We’re talking about people arrested on US soil.

we should work out a deal with Putin

we out em on a slow boat to the Gulag, and they can swing our elections

Posted by bad_luck on 6/25/2018 2:18:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 6/25/2018 2:15:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 6/25/2018 2:12:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 6/25/2018 2:08:00 PM (view original):
I don't think anyone can walk across any border. He would be breaking the law and be sent back, I hope. Imagine if I just cross into Canada for the fun of it? There are checkpoints and you have to present your passport, etc. You cannot just walk into another country.

What am I missing here?

A lot, apparently. Do they know if he is a US citizen?

They will when they ask him.

If it is I, I tell them right away my name is Joe Smith, I am from Tampa Florida, my SS is...I mean they can use common sense. I know you lack it but most people have it. When a burglar breaks into your house he is breaking the law. While he is assumed innocent until proven guilty, common sense states he is guilty. Obviously you don't think so, hence this debate is pointless.

He says yes. His name is Jose Gonzalez. He has no ID, he lost his wallet and his car broke down in Mexico.

Then why is he not crossing at a legal checkpoint with the same story? LOL

So he lost his wallet and his car broke down? Seems suspicious at best. Let me guess he also lost his cell phone.