Scouting Efficiency Topic

Being able to scout effectively AND efficiently is a key part of enjoying the game. I understand that some folks actually like spending more than the ~20 minutes or so it takes me to scout every year, but for people who find the time and resource-consuming method of hand-selecting recruits to scout up each level to be too much like work to find enjoyable, using the method below can help. I share this with the folks I mentor, but I figured I’d put it here, so I don’t have to write it out again every 45 days. Many know this, and I’m not pretending I invented it. But many are still doing it the hard way when they don’t particularly enjoy it, and to me, it’s kind of like doing long division by hand when you have a calculator right next to you.

The first premise to understand is that any given recruit in the world can be fully scouted up to level 4 for less than $200, as long as you get the order of operations right, and correctly limit the pool. Again, a lot of folks have figured this out. But to those who haven’t, this is a little surprising. It’s true. Even international recruits can be scouted fully for <$200, as long as the pool is correctly limited.

At D1, there are 2 very efficient methods I use, I would call them “local” and “global”. The big difference boils down to how much money I have, and how competitive I think I can be for elite recruits. With fewer scholarships available (which tends to also happen during years when I may be less eager to make promises) I tend toward the local approach. With resources for 3 or more scholarships, and when I feel I have a couple starting spots to promise, I will tend to opt toward global. So here is my process.

1) The first thing I do is decide local or global.
2) I divide my scouting budget by 200. This is the maximum size of the pool I aim to construct. So if my starting budget is 23k, my target pool is max-115. If my starting budget is 51k, my target pool is max-255. Hitting that max target leaves me with a little left over, just in case I want/need to look for transfers in the 2nd session.
**if local**
3) I decide whether I want to do a private camp. They draw from 500 miles, and it’s helpful that before it runs, it tells me how many sign up, so I can figure that in. If I’m in the east, I generally can’t get everyone up to 500 miles away, so if I only have a couple scholarships open, I usually skip the camp. *If you do a camp, be sure it runs before sending out the assistant, otherwise you’re wasting money*
4) Use the FSS (scouting service) to fill out the pool. Using a camp complicates this, because the camp attendees are also part of the states scouting service numbers. As long as you do both before using the assistant, you’re not wasting any money, but you should run a check on your recruit pool numbers to make sure your scouting service hasn’t made it too large. If you forgo camps altogether, you can simply choose the states nearby you want to scout, and use their numbers to roughly put your pool together, keeping in mind the top 100 recruits in the D1 pool also factor in.
5) Use the assistant. You can check your recruit pool again to check the number of recruits within each radius. When running the assistant, be very sure to correctly limit the pool - Set it to the correct radius, and be very sure to uncheck “find new players”. You don’t want your assistant adding to your pool, just completing the reports on players already in your pool. At D1, I usually start with a 300 mile radius in the east, and a 500 mile radius in the west and midwest. You can go out farther if budget allows, or you can reserve some cash for a hybrid approach of hand selecting some distance/international recruits. Keep sending the assistant out, 25 at a time, until the pool is fully scouted (you can tell by watching the budget, when it stops moving, the assistant has completed work on that part of the pool).
**if global**
3) Forget camps, go straight to building your pool. Use the scouting service to get Canada and internationals first.
4) Send out the assistant as with step 5 above, except do not limit radius.
5) Check the size of your pool. It should currently include all top 100 and international players. Subtract that total from your max target number, and that’s how many more you should be looking for via FSS. You can even shoot a little higher, because some of those players will already be fully scouted, if they are top 100 guys. You can do a recruit pool check to see that the number of level 1 players is where you want it. Pick any states to FSS, doesn’t matter, as long as you keep the pool below that max target number. The Top 100 guys do sometimes mess with your totals, depending on where you’re recruiting, so it’s good to increase your pool a few states at a time, rather than do all FSS at once. It’s better to start with the big states, CA, NY, TX, if you’re going to scout them, and use smaller states to fill in later, IMO.
6) Send out the assistant again, as above, after each round of FSS. If done right, you should have a few thousand dollars of reserve.

Keep in mind, this is focused on the D1 pool. If you’re scouting the D2 pool, there are other efficiency considerations (for example, the D2 international pool can be scouted completely without worrying about any top 100 players sneaking into those reports). If anyone has has figured out an efficient way to account for the top 100 when building your pool, please feel free to add that in.
6/4/2018 12:19 PM (edited)
Without going into too much detail, I'll give a couple of strategies that I like to use.

First off, I like to run zone, because it does 2 things. Limit 3 point shooting and foul shots attempted, but most importantly gives you more recruiting and scouring money, since you can play with fewer players. You can go with 9 players and have enough cash for 6 openings 3 out of ever 4 years, assuming you recruit 3 freshman.

I intentionally stay away from internationals(except maybe Canada and Mexico). If you go after a player and the other player decides to go all in, at $1,000 per HV your recruiting budget is shot and you've wasted some of your resources before you figure out it's too late.

I will scout all states. This will automatically get me to level 2 and I can see which preferences line up with the Top 100 players. If they match up and I think I can potentially win that recruit based on the area he's in, I'll just hit them up with 2 more scouting visits to get to level 4. At the end, I compare all my level 4 players and decide what strategy I want to use and how I want to allocate my budget. Of course, local players are always the best option and the best bang for your buck.

Being at the A+/A/A- I tend to stay away from private camps, too many garbage players and not worth the money. It would be different if my prestige were B level or below. Also don't use the assistant search any longer, but did when I was B prestige level and below.

Another strategy I like to use is to scout all states. This allows me to see which recruiting battles which teams are in. If I see a team that's in a contested recruiting battle with 2 players and that third player is pretty good, I may go after that player. I also take note of how many open scholarships each team has that's around my prestige level. It also allows me to see what resources a team is putting into other players if I'm battling for a recruit against that same team.
6/4/2018 1:46 PM (edited)
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Yes, that is correct, in your first paragraph, sorry I wasn't clear.

Actually I scout all the states for 2 reasons. One is to get to level 2 for all Top 100 guys, during that time, I can see all the preferences. If the preferences match up with my style of play, success etc, then I'll scout them 2 more times to get to level 4. Sometimes, at level 2, I can see if they have low athleticism and their top 100 is based on a jacket up LP/PE, even if the preferences match up, I don't consider them useful players more times than not. I'll just leave them at level 2 and move onto the next player.

Also, as mentioned the other reason I scout all the states is to see which recruiting battles other teams are in. I can spread out my resources wisely, HV's, CV's and APs, based on when they sign, which teams are making a push towards a recruit I'm on. Sure, it's time consuming, but it's also one of the reasons I have just the one team. I enjoy putting a lot of time into it. I couldn't never put this much effort into a second team.

And it probably isn't efficient in terms as seeing as many recruits as possible, but about 90% of the players in D-1 are useless if you're goal is trying to compete or a national championship.
6/4/2018 4:06 PM
I don't do this anymore, but another thing I did in the past was, skip the public camps and scout right at the start of the exhibition season, especially if I'm taking over a new team and/or in a rebuilding phase. That was I can see all the preferences and I can manipulate it to get the players I want, whether it's changing offense and defense, perimeter/paint etc. I would also schedule easy opponents the year before to strengthen my defense preference, especially if I knew we weren't winning the following year.

6/4/2018 4:15 PM (edited)
”...90% of the players in D-1 are useless if you're goal is trying to compete or a national championship.”

The rest of it is fine, personal preference, no big deal. But this part is categorically false. Any player better than a walkon can be useful.
6/4/2018 4:33 PM
I like this game plan with Zone being discussed. I am attempting this idea in general at D2. I think it would be really beneficial for D2/D3 because going all in on 1 recruit eliminates your budget completely. With zone, you can all in on 2 players basically. With hopes of those players being studs

only problem for me, I don't know if it's my Virginia State location, random recruit generation, or if it's lots of D1 humans in Wooden.... but i'm having the hardest time recruiting with this team of all my teams. Haven't narrowed down the reasons yet. But it's the only team that i'm not really moving in the right direction with.

one thing to add.... I kinda hope to key in on internationals because of that extra money. As of now, I haven't. But with it being costly, I think running zone will help get some of the good foreigners, rather than avoid them
6/4/2018 9:30 PM
I'm a zone only coach. I use the assistant/FSS combo...no camps. I recruit almost exclusively within 300 miles of campus and I prefer metro schools (as opposed to my traditional love for isolated locations.) My goal is to have Level 4 info on as many recruits as I can but only level 4. I know exactly what I am getting when I sign a player. I have almost abandoned the Internationals unless it is Toronto and the like. I pay more attention to signing preference than I do any other preference.
6/4/2018 11:05 PM
One thing I like about camps, when I’m using the local approach - if I’m in a place like Oregon, I can run a private camp and get a good leg on a bunch of northern California recruits, without scouting the whole state. I think they’re limited to 500 miles, at least it has been the times I’ve run them and thought to look.
6/4/2018 11:13 PM
Posted by shoe3 on 6/4/2018 11:13:00 PM (view original):
One thing I like about camps, when I’m using the local approach - if I’m in a place like Oregon, I can run a private camp and get a good leg on a bunch of northern California recruits, without scouting the whole state. I think they’re limited to 500 miles, at least it has been the times I’ve run them and thought to look.
The reason I don't use camps is because (and correct me if I'm wrong) I know what positions I need that season. If I need a PG and C, I can use the assistant/FSS for just those positions...whereas the camps give you a cross-section of all positions...I think.
6/4/2018 11:17 PM
Posted by gomiami1972 on 6/4/2018 11:17:00 PM (view original):
Posted by shoe3 on 6/4/2018 11:13:00 PM (view original):
One thing I like about camps, when I’m using the local approach - if I’m in a place like Oregon, I can run a private camp and get a good leg on a bunch of northern California recruits, without scouting the whole state. I think they’re limited to 500 miles, at least it has been the times I’ve run them and thought to look.
The reason I don't use camps is because (and correct me if I'm wrong) I know what positions I need that season. If I need a PG and C, I can use the assistant/FSS for just those positions...whereas the camps give you a cross-section of all positions...I think.
That's very true about all positions with the camps. But in my opinion, if you're only wanting a SG for example, by not looking at PG (or even SF sometimes), you're robbing yourself of other good possibilities. Because every player isn't exactly their labeled position. (Ex.. PG with 40 PER green that turns into 100. He's not strictly a PG)

And i completely agree about signing preference being the focal point of preferences
6/5/2018 3:33 AM
Posted by gomiami1972 on 6/4/2018 11:05:00 PM (view original):
I'm a zone only coach. I use the assistant/FSS combo...no camps. I recruit almost exclusively within 300 miles of campus and I prefer metro schools (as opposed to my traditional love for isolated locations.) My goal is to have Level 4 info on as many recruits as I can but only level 4. I know exactly what I am getting when I sign a player. I have almost abandoned the Internationals unless it is Toronto and the like. I pay more attention to signing preference than I do any other preference.
Why do you pay the most attention to signing preference?
6/5/2018 3:37 AM
Posted by Wales_ on 6/5/2018 3:37:00 AM (view original):
Posted by gomiami1972 on 6/4/2018 11:05:00 PM (view original):
I'm a zone only coach. I use the assistant/FSS combo...no camps. I recruit almost exclusively within 300 miles of campus and I prefer metro schools (as opposed to my traditional love for isolated locations.) My goal is to have Level 4 info on as many recruits as I can but only level 4. I know exactly what I am getting when I sign a player. I have almost abandoned the Internationals unless it is Toronto and the like. I pay more attention to signing preference than I do any other preference.
Why do you pay the most attention to signing preference?
It’s really important at D2 and D3. If you’re chasing a D1 pool guy with a RS1 signing preference, and there are 2 D2 teams on him, you know exactly when he’s going to sign. Same with D3 teams on a D2 guy. Even more important, if a D1 shows up on him in the first session, you have to not only beat him, you have to hold him down to moderate. All a D1 has to do is slip into signing range, and the recruit is gone. Really tough for a lower division team to win a battle with a human D1 for a recruit with an early or EOP1 signing preference.

At D1, it’s important for the same reason, but the stakes are a bit lower, so it’s more of an afterthought. It doesn’t really play into who I go after, but it does help determine where my early attention goes, among my targets.
6/5/2018 10:39 AM
Well i play D2. And signing preference is big for me because i prefer to aim for "early" or "EoP1" guys.

it's like a finish line. If i'm battling a sim for a recruit, I know that if i knock the sim down in RS1, I'll sign the player as soon as RS2 begins. If i'm battling a human, I know the first cycle of RS2 will be the decider. I either win the battle, or have more time to move on.

I HATE "whenever" preference. You could have a recruit a very high almost immediately. But you have no time frame of when he'll sign. More schools can jump in any time. Meaning you have to spend more money. And you're left at the mercy of the recruit. I don't like floating
6/5/2018 10:43 AM
Posted by shoe3 on 6/5/2018 10:39:00 AM (view original):
Posted by Wales_ on 6/5/2018 3:37:00 AM (view original):
Posted by gomiami1972 on 6/4/2018 11:05:00 PM (view original):
I'm a zone only coach. I use the assistant/FSS combo...no camps. I recruit almost exclusively within 300 miles of campus and I prefer metro schools (as opposed to my traditional love for isolated locations.) My goal is to have Level 4 info on as many recruits as I can but only level 4. I know exactly what I am getting when I sign a player. I have almost abandoned the Internationals unless it is Toronto and the like. I pay more attention to signing preference than I do any other preference.
Why do you pay the most attention to signing preference?
It’s really important at D2 and D3. If you’re chasing a D1 pool guy with a RS1 signing preference, and there are 2 D2 teams on him, you know exactly when he’s going to sign. Same with D3 teams on a D2 guy. Even more important, if a D1 shows up on him in the first session, you have to not only beat him, you have to hold him down to moderate. All a D1 has to do is slip into signing range, and the recruit is gone. Really tough for a lower division team to win a battle with a human D1 for a recruit with an early or EOP1 signing preference.

At D1, it’s important for the same reason, but the stakes are a bit lower, so it’s more of an afterthought. It doesn’t really play into who I go after, but it does help determine where my early attention goes, among my targets.
For me personally, it does decide who I target and who I do not. My recruiting style is very aggressive. I'm usually broke by RS2. And I either get my targets or I don't. But i push quickly for my players. Some times it bites me in the *** tho.

But I'm good with it. I win games because of the players i have. Not because i'm an amazing coach. I feel like recruiting is by far what i'm best at. Whether my methods are ideal or not, that's another story
6/5/2018 10:56 AM
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