Posted by all3 on 6/4/2018 1:35:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 6/4/2018 1:13:00 PM (view original):
So that's it? It appears that CCCP admitted that, to BL and I's definition, white privilege/institutional racism exist.

Good thing you and bl are always wrong.

At least they are consistent. :)

I don't think they are wrong here. But their operational definitions are way off IMO. Stating that it is special to be white is something a Nazi would post.

Posted by cccp1014 on 6/4/2018 1:36:00 PM (view original):

Posted by all3 on 6/4/2018 1:35:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 6/4/2018 1:13:00 PM (view original):
So that's it? It appears that CCCP admitted that, to BL and I's definition, white privilege/institutional racism exist.

Good thing you and bl are always wrong.

At least they are consistent. :)

I don't think they are wrong here. But their operational definitions are way off IMO. Stating that it is special to be white is something a Nazi would post.

You're (deliberately?) misconstruing my point.

I'm not saying whites ARE special. I'm saying society treats whites as if they are special when compared to blacks.

Posted by bad_luck on 6/4/2018 1:39:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 6/4/2018 1:36:00 PM (view original):

Posted by all3 on 6/4/2018 1:35:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 6/4/2018 1:13:00 PM (view original):
So that's it? It appears that CCCP admitted that, to BL and I's definition, white privilege/institutional racism exist.

Good thing you and bl are always wrong.

At least they are consistent. :)

I don't think they are wrong here. But their operational definitions are way off IMO. Stating that it is special to be white is something a Nazi would post.

You're (deliberately?) misconstruing my point.

I'm not saying whites ARE special. I'm saying society treats whites as if they are special when compared to blacks.

Not yours but TP's. You are softer in this than Tangplay. But like it or not you two are in the same boat. Yes, whites face fewer biases. I agree with that. Don't think it makes them privileged. Again, I understand where you are coming from on this issue. What you don't understand is that there are multiple biases and people overcome them daily. No need to have any special programs or Gov't interference unless these actions are overt.

Posted by cccp1014 on 6/4/2018 1:35:00 PM (view original):
I am guessing its because they started measuring this since 1950. I am trying to make point that Jews get labeled like everyone else and just because they overcome certain biases doesn't mean they don't exist. Bad Luck and TP believe that we should help those that cannot overcome biases on their own and I think we should let capitalism just make it work on its own. The smaller the Gov't the better.

Your point, IMHO, is much more forcibly made by just saying what you said rather than posting an article that can be attacked 20 different ways. When you post an article under your ID, you own ALL of it...not just the few sound bites you choose to extract as eye candy. I'm just saying...

Posted by gomiami1972 on 6/4/2018 1:44:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 6/4/2018 1:35:00 PM (view original):
I am guessing its because they started measuring this since 1950. I am trying to make point that Jews get labeled like everyone else and just because they overcome certain biases doesn't mean they don't exist. Bad Luck and TP believe that we should help those that cannot overcome biases on their own and I think we should let capitalism just make it work on its own. The smaller the Gov't the better.

Your point, IMHO, is much more forcibly made by just saying what you said rather than posting an article that can be attacked 20 different ways. When you post an article under your ID, you own ALL of it...not just the few sound bites you choose to extract as eye candy. I'm just saying...

That's fair.

Posted by cccp1014 on 6/4/2018 1:44:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 6/4/2018 1:39:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 6/4/2018 1:36:00 PM (view original):

Posted by all3 on 6/4/2018 1:35:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 6/4/2018 1:13:00 PM (view original):
So that's it? It appears that CCCP admitted that, to BL and I's definition, white privilege/institutional racism exist.

Good thing you and bl are always wrong.

At least they are consistent. :)

I don't think they are wrong here. But their operational definitions are way off IMO. Stating that it is special to be white is something a Nazi would post.

You're (deliberately?) misconstruing my point.

I'm not saying whites ARE special. I'm saying society treats whites as if they are special when compared to blacks.

Not yours but TP's. You are softer in this than Tangplay. But like it or not you two are in the same boat. Yes, whites face fewer biases. I agree with that. Don't think it makes them privileged. Again, I understand where you are coming from on this issue. What you don't understand is that there are multiple biases and people overcome them daily. No need to have any special programs or Gov't interference unless these actions are overt.

A given white person faces fewer biases than a given black person. That is white privilege in a nutshell.

I do understand that there are many, many biases and that many, many people overcome them. Neither of those facts cancel out the existence of white privilege.

Agree to disagree. I guess its semantics. I don't like the word "privilege" you do. But I understand where you are coming from overall.

Posted by bad_luck on 6/4/2018 1:47:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 6/4/2018 1:44:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 6/4/2018 1:39:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 6/4/2018 1:36:00 PM (view original):

Posted by all3 on 6/4/2018 1:35:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 6/4/2018 1:13:00 PM (view original):
So that's it? It appears that CCCP admitted that, to BL and I's definition, white privilege/institutional racism exist.

Good thing you and bl are always wrong.

At least they are consistent. :)

I don't think they are wrong here. But their operational definitions are way off IMO. Stating that it is special to be white is something a Nazi would post.

You're (deliberately?) misconstruing my point.

I'm not saying whites ARE special. I'm saying society treats whites as if they are special when compared to blacks.

Not yours but TP's. You are softer in this than Tangplay. But like it or not you two are in the same boat. Yes, whites face fewer biases. I agree with that. Don't think it makes them privileged. Again, I understand where you are coming from on this issue. What you don't understand is that there are multiple biases and people overcome them daily. No need to have any special programs or Gov't interference unless these actions are overt.

A given white person faces fewer biases than a given black person. That is white privilege in a nutshell.

I do understand that there are many, many biases and that many, many people overcome them. Neither of those facts cancel out the existence of white privilege.

When are you and tangplay hanging out next? :)

Posted by cccp1014 on 6/4/2018 1:49:00 PM (view original):
Agree to disagree. I guess its semantics. I don't like the word "privilege" you do. But I understand where you are coming from overall.

Seriously? Semantics?

So if white privilege was called white advantage or white allowance, this argument could have been avoided?

White privilege is garbage. There's black privilege in Zimbabwe and Asian privilege in China and Islamic privilege in Iran and Jewish privilege in Israel...It's not white, or black, or Asian or Islamic or Jewish. It's about the concentration of money and power and that, my friends, is color, religious and ethnically blind. It all depends on where you are on this little spinning planet of ours.

White privilege is an intellectually lazy attempt to deflect actual societal issues by creating some bullshit theory that pushes emotional hot buttons to stir up nonsense.

Go pound sand.

Posted by bad_luck on 6/4/2018 1:51:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 6/4/2018 1:49:00 PM (view original):
Agree to disagree. I guess its semantics. I don't like the word "privilege" you do. But I understand where you are coming from overall.

Seriously? Semantics?

So if white privilege was called white advantage or white allowance, this argument could have been avoided?

Possibly. Its less white but more not being black as you argument seems to portray it because you don't think Asians or Hindus for example are at a disadvantage.

So if you said black disadvantage, I may have it shrugged it off. White privilege, NO!

Posted by gomiami1972 on 6/4/2018 1:59:00 PM (view original):
White privilege is garbage. There's black privilege in Zimbabwe and Asian privilege in China and Islamic privilege in Iran and Jewish privilege in Israel...It's not white, or black, or Asian or Islamic or Jewish. It's about the concentration of money and power and that, my friends, is color, religious and ethnically blind. It all depends on where you are on this little spinning planet of ours.

White privilege is an intellectually lazy attempt to deflect actual societal issues by creating some bullshit theory that pushes emotional hot buttons to stir up nonsense.

Go pound sand.

If there is Asian privilege in China as you say there is, it's hard to argue that there ISN'T white privilege in America.

And since we aren't in or talking about China, referring to the issue in America as white privilege makes sense. Because it isn't just a money issue, well-off black people face discrimination too.

BL is so angry.

BL have you ever experienced racism yourself?