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Posted by gomiami1972 on 6/1/2018 3:19:00 PM (view original):
True story, I stopped watching the NBA when my wife and I dropped cable/satellite in 2005. I maybe catch 10 games a year when ABC shows the occasional broadcast...so I didn't see Kerr's halftime adjustment. I see much more of the college game than I do the pros.

I like DJ. What he did during his tenure with the Sonics (as brief as it was) almost makes him HOF worthy by itself. For me, however, if we are talking about GOAT-like players, Bill Russell is hard to top.

Agreed. But Russell may have been the all time worst NBA coach. His Sonic team was 5 - 17 when he was fired. They hired Lenny Wilkins to replace him.......... and then went to the NBA finals Game 7 (which they should have won!).......... with the SAME roster!

Hmm, I always reserved that title for Kurt Rambis...with a close second to Brian Winters.

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Posted by cccp1014 on 6/1/2018 9:45:00 AM (view original):
OK so this has been going back and forth. Let me speak on this.

Both of my kids are in middle school. They have friends from all sorts of races, genders and beliefs. One of my daughter's friends has two mothers. In their eyes everyone is the same and they truly don't see it any differently. They have two kids in their school who are transitioning, gender neutral bathrooms and busing from poorer areas.

They have no biases. Their kids will have no biases. Why? Because my wife and I don't have biases. They are taught to treat each person on their own merits. This is my opinion how it should be.

Tangplay and bad luck immediately label and I don't want my kids around these types of people so I attack them pretty harshly because to me they are the problem not the solution. Rightly or wrongly, that is my stance.

See, here’s the deal. Someone says “institutional racism is still a thing and it’s a problem,” and you take it personally.

It doesn’t have anything to do with you, you have no power. You can’t impact the problems in the justice system or employment trends.

But, regarding biases, everyone has them and they aren’t always aware of them. I doubt most hiring managers say I won’t hire that guy because he’s black. But when it comes time to make a decision and there aren’t any hard metrics to evaluate similarly qualified candidates, they go with their gut. And their gut usually points them in the direction of the person they relate best to.

That is fair and logical and I agree.

I mean, that's what I have been trying to say for about 6 months now.

There is a difference between white privilege and black disadvantage. I have been trying to tell you that for six months now.

I agree with that? You said that there was no difference.

Incorrect. Find that post. Liar.

Doesn't mean I believe that someone is disadvantaged just because they are black but it could play a factor such as someone who is fat or short.

You repeatedly called me a racist because you said that white privilege = black disadvantage.

Not quite. I called you a racist because you are one.

Why am I a racist?

Posted by cccp1014 on 6/1/2018 4:28:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 6/1/2018 4:27:00 PM (view original):
It doesn’t.

To me that is what I thought you meant. I agree there are definitely biases out there. Even the people who are the least racist probably want their kids to marry withing their own race. I won't argue human nature with you. My parents implored me to marry another Jew.

I hate to break it to you, but someone who worries about the race of their child's future spouse isn't in the "people who are the least racist" group.

People who aren't racist don't care what race their future son or daughter-in-law is.


Institutional racism isn't a grand conspiracy or (necessarily) an official position. It's bias, often unintended, that puts blacks at a disadvantage. Judges who tend to sentence blacks to longer prison sentences might not realize they are doing that. Hiring managers might not realize they tend to avoid hiring blacks. Cops might not realize that they are more afraid when encountering a black person than a white person.

Whether or not the racism is intentional, not having to deal with that still gives white people an advantage in life. Hence, white privilege.

That doesn't mean that all whites have easy lives or that some whites don't face some other sort of discrimination, it just means that a white person in a given situation (smart, stupid, fat, skinny, ugly, disabled, single-parent household, etc) has less of an uphill battle than a black person in the same situation.

Posted by cccp1014 on 6/1/2018 4:28:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 6/1/2018 4:27:00 PM (view original):
It doesn’t.

To me that is what I thought you meant. I agree there are definitely biases out there. Even the people who are the least racist probably want their kids to marry withing their own race. I won't argue human nature with you. My parents implored me to marry another Jew.

Sorry cccp but Judaism is not a race, it is a religion. Even if you want to argue that it is an ethnicity (which it is not,) it is still not a race.

To a point yes. I just don't think being black is a crutch, that you and TP paint it to be. And no my parents aren't racist because they wanted me to marry another Jew. LOL. That's crazy.

Posted by gomiami1972 on 6/1/2018 4:54:00 PM (view original):

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Posted by bad_luck on 6/1/2018 4:27:00 PM (view original):
It doesn’t.

To me that is what I thought you meant. I agree there are definitely biases out there. Even the people who are the least racist probably want their kids to marry withing their own race. I won't argue human nature with you. My parents implored me to marry another Jew.

Sorry cccp but Judaism is not a race, it is a religion. Even if you want to argue that it is an ethnicity (which it is not,) it is still not a race.

Fair point

Posted by cccp1014 on 6/1/2018 4:53:00 PM (view original):
To a point yes. I just don't think being black is a crutch, that you and TP paint it to be. And no my parents aren't racist because they wanted me to marry another Jew. LOL. That's crazy.

They can't be racist because Judaism is not a race.

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Posted by cccp1014 on 6/1/2018 9:45:00 AM (view original):
OK so this has been going back and forth. Let me speak on this.

Both of my kids are in middle school. They have friends from all sorts of races, genders and beliefs. One of my daughter's friends has two mothers. In their eyes everyone is the same and they truly don't see it any differently. They have two kids in their school who are transitioning, gender neutral bathrooms and busing from poorer areas.

They have no biases. Their kids will have no biases. Why? Because my wife and I don't have biases. They are taught to treat each person on their own merits. This is my opinion how it should be.

Tangplay and bad luck immediately label and I don't want my kids around these types of people so I attack them pretty harshly because to me they are the problem not the solution. Rightly or wrongly, that is my stance.

See, here’s the deal. Someone says “institutional racism is still a thing and it’s a problem,” and you take it personally.

It doesn’t have anything to do with you, you have no power. You can’t impact the problems in the justice system or employment trends.

But, regarding biases, everyone has them and they aren’t always aware of them. I doubt most hiring managers say I won’t hire that guy because he’s black. But when it comes time to make a decision and there aren’t any hard metrics to evaluate similarly qualified candidates, they go with their gut. And their gut usually points them in the direction of the person they relate best to.

That is fair and logical and I agree.

I mean, that's what I have been trying to say for about 6 months now.

There is a difference between white privilege and black disadvantage. I have been trying to tell you that for six months now.

I agree with that? You said that there was no difference.

Incorrect. Find that post. Liar.

Doesn't mean I believe that someone is disadvantaged just because they are black but it could play a factor such as someone who is fat or short.

You repeatedly called me a racist because you said that white privilege = black disadvantage.

Not quite. I called you a racist because you are one.

Why am I a racist?

Because you feel that black people are inferior to white people and need Gov't help to be on an equal footing with them.

Posted by cccp1014 on 6/1/2018 4:53:00 PM (view original):
To a point yes. I just don't think being black is a crutch, that you and TP paint it to be. And no my parents aren't racist because they wanted me to marry another Jew. LOL. That's crazy.

What do you mean "crutch?"

Judaism isn't a race, it's a religion. That has nothing to do with racism.

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Posted by gomiami1972 on 5/31/2018 10:44:00 PM (view original):
Any predictions on the Cavs/Warriors series? I'm going with Warriors in 6.

I love LeBron and I am rooting for Cavs, but *sigh* Warriors in 5

Tang the soothsayer has spoken.

I can't stand Lebron. He walked off the court in the middle of play. No respect for him and I'm a huge KD fan.

Kevin Durant is a snake.

LeBron is pretty good. I like LeBron.

why is KD a snake? Because he left OKC to join the Warriors? tell me you wouldn't take a job for basically the same pay where you had a chance to win every year.
While James is supremely talented and the best player in the NBA (if not the best of all time) he annoys me a lot. He whines all the time (but most NBA players do) and seems extremely arrogant. On the other hand, from all I have heard, he does good things for his community. I'm kind of torn when it comes to LeBron.

As I told CCCP, everyone has bias.

My bias is being slightly impartial to the Thunder.

You arguments are logical, but my bias says otherwise.

I have no problem with that. Bet you'd feel different if there was an NBA franchise in your area and KD had signed with them.

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Posted by strikeout26 on 6/1/2018 12:48:00 AM (view original):
It depends on your style of offense. They're 2 different guys. Kaep was good under Harbaugh because Harbaugh is a genius. He built a system that was very simple for Kaepernick. Let's remember, he's not the brightest crayon in the box.

That's a fair point, I was just pointing out that statistically Kaep was a very viable starting QB.

key word here being "was". he's not that QB anymore.

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Posted by cccp1014 on 6/1/2018 9:45:00 AM (view original):
OK so this has been going back and forth. Let me speak on this.

Both of my kids are in middle school. They have friends from all sorts of races, genders and beliefs. One of my daughter's friends has two mothers. In their eyes everyone is the same and they truly don't see it any differently. They have two kids in their school who are transitioning, gender neutral bathrooms and busing from poorer areas.

They have no biases. Their kids will have no biases. Why? Because my wife and I don't have biases. They are taught to treat each person on their own merits. This is my opinion how it should be.

Tangplay and bad luck immediately label and I don't want my kids around these types of people so I attack them pretty harshly because to me they are the problem not the solution. Rightly or wrongly, that is my stance.

See, here’s the deal. Someone says “institutional racism is still a thing and it’s a problem,” and you take it personally.

It doesn’t have anything to do with you, you have no power. You can’t impact the problems in the justice system or employment trends.

But, regarding biases, everyone has them and they aren’t always aware of them. I doubt most hiring managers say I won’t hire that guy because he’s black. But when it comes time to make a decision and there aren’t any hard metrics to evaluate similarly qualified candidates, they go with their gut. And their gut usually points them in the direction of the person they relate best to.

That is fair and logical and I agree.

I mean, that's what I have been trying to say for about 6 months now.

There is a difference between white privilege and black disadvantage. I have been trying to tell you that for six months now.

I agree with that? You said that there was no difference.

Incorrect. Find that post. Liar.

Doesn't mean I believe that someone is disadvantaged just because they are black but it could play a factor such as someone who is fat or short.

You repeatedly called me a racist because you said that white privilege = black disadvantage.

Not quite. I called you a racist because you are one.

Why am I a racist?

Because you feel that black people are inferior to white people and need Gov't help to be on an equal footing with them.

he never said black people are inferior to white people. That is how you chose to interpret what he said. I think was he is trying to say is that some (not all)white people treat some (not all) black people as if the blacks were inferior. You've stated again and again that you don't feel that way, and that's great, but you seem to think that because you don't feel that way, nobody does.

wylie,

Some (not all) white people treat some (not all) other white people as if the other whites were inferior, some (not all) black people treat some (not all) black people as if the other blacks were inferior and some (not all) black people treat some (not all) white people as if the whites were inferior.

That has always been and will always be. The Greeks thought the Macedonians were inferior...until Alexander rather proved them wrong.

Alex was no joke.

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Posted by bad_luck on 6/1/2018 2:06:00 PM (view original):
Hey look, another Jewish white supremacist:

https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5b0d9e40e4b0802d69cf0264/amp?ncid=engmodushpmg00000004&ncid=engmodushpmg00000004&__twitter_impression=true

Anti Islam does not equate to white supremacy. Sorry. Otherwise most of Israel = white supremacist.

Read the story. She is a fan of holocaust deniers and white supremacy.

EDIT:

From the story:

In 2014, she also started using neo-Nazi terms like “cultural Marxism” and borrowing propaganda from white supremacists like Kenn Gividen, who runs a racist website and at one point was the presidential candidate for the white nationalist American Freedom Party. She encouraged her readers to follow Jared Wyand, a white supremacist and anti-Semite who openly praises Adolf Hitler and denies the Holocaust happened.

The Jew who is an anti-Semite...

My God, it's doublethink.

She should marry the "black, white-supremacist".