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Posted by strikeout26 on 5/30/2018 11:19:00 AM (view original):
Could it possibly be that the difference in average earnings between the two races have to do with the number of people that have college degrees? Don't let logic get in the way, B_L. I've already proven to you that the wage gap narrows drastically when comparing blacks and whites with college degrees. Remember, black women with degrees actually make more than white women with degrees. Once again, I would hate for logic to get in the way for you.

Hmmm I wonder if racism could play a role in someone's access to college?

It is $$$$....colleges are $$$$ driven. Except Harvard. LOL

Nothing to do with race. This is not the 30s. Try again.

If you grow up poor and you live in a poor neighborhood and you go to a bad, poor school, will that impact your ability to go to college?

Posted by bad_luck on 5/30/2018 11:27:00 AM (view original):

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Posted by strikeout26 on 5/30/2018 11:19:00 AM (view original):
Could it possibly be that the difference in average earnings between the two races have to do with the number of people that have college degrees? Don't let logic get in the way, B_L. I've already proven to you that the wage gap narrows drastically when comparing blacks and whites with college degrees. Remember, black women with degrees actually make more than white women with degrees. Once again, I would hate for logic to get in the way for you.

Hmmm I wonder if racism could play a role in someone's access to college?

It is $$$$....colleges are $$$$ driven. Except Harvard. LOL

Nothing to do with race. This is not the 30s. Try again.

If you grow up poor and you live in a poor neighborhood and you go to a bad, poor school, will that impact your ability to go to college?

Yes. Regardless of race. But I think programs exist now to help those persons. In fact recent immigrants from Africa and The Caribbean continually succeed when faced with these situations. Same for Asian immigrants. The key...TWO PARENTS. Also if you have two parents, both of whom graduated HS and have jobs before having a kid, the kid won't be poor.

Thank you again for making my point.

Posted by cccp1014 on 5/30/2018 11:22:00 AM (view original):
Yes and overall they are at 87%. Considering the generational wealth issue that is not terrible at all. In 50 years it will be close to equal. This stat is also from 1995. I bet there are a lot more counties now.

Facts:
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• Many live in the South and wages in the South are lower for EVERYONE
• 87% is not terrible given the generational wealth issue
• This was 1995 and things have gotten better so it is likely even more now.
• Asians make more than whites. So are Asians advantaged?

Your argument is flawed.

It’s not getting closer though. The average black male earned 80% of what an average white male earned in 1979. In 2016, he gap was larger, with the average black male earning 70%.

Posted by cccp1014 on 5/30/2018 11:30:00 AM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 5/30/2018 11:27:00 AM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 5/30/2018 11:25:00 AM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 5/30/2018 11:23:00 AM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 5/30/2018 11:19:00 AM (view original):
Could it possibly be that the difference in average earnings between the two races have to do with the number of people that have college degrees? Don't let logic get in the way, B_L. I've already proven to you that the wage gap narrows drastically when comparing blacks and whites with college degrees. Remember, black women with degrees actually make more than white women with degrees. Once again, I would hate for logic to get in the way for you.

Hmmm I wonder if racism could play a role in someone's access to college?

It is $$$$....colleges are $$$$ driven. Except Harvard. LOL

Nothing to do with race. This is not the 30s. Try again.

If you grow up poor and you live in a poor neighborhood and you go to a bad, poor school, will that impact your ability to go to college?

Yes. Regardless of race. But I think programs exist now to help those persons. In fact recent immigrants from Africa and The Caribbean continually succeed when faced with these situations. Same for Asian immigrants. The key...TWO PARENTS. Also if you have two parents, both of whom graduated HS and have jobs before having a kid, the kid won't be poor.

Thank you again for making my point.

Even if black people do all of those things, they still end up behind white people.

And this is without even talking about the justice system, which is the easiest way to prove institutional racism.

Posted by bad_luck on 5/30/2018 11:34:00 AM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 5/30/2018 11:22:00 AM (view original):
Yes and overall they are at 87%. Considering the generational wealth issue that is not terrible at all. In 50 years it will be close to equal. This stat is also from 1995. I bet there are a lot more counties now.

Facts:
?

• Many live in the South and wages in the South are lower for EVERYONE
• 87% is not terrible given the generational wealth issue
• This was 1995 and things have gotten better so it is likely even more now.
• Asians make more than whites. So are Asians advantaged?

Your argument is flawed.

It’s not getting closer though. The average black male earned 80% of what an average white male earned in 1979. In 2016, he gap was larger, with the average black male earning 70%.

It depends on where, what role, etc. Again two parents is the key. Forget race. Why can't you do that?

Posted by bad_luck on 5/30/2018 11:35:00 AM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 5/30/2018 11:30:00 AM (view original):

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Posted by strikeout26 on 5/30/2018 11:19:00 AM (view original):
Could it possibly be that the difference in average earnings between the two races have to do with the number of people that have college degrees? Don't let logic get in the way, B_L. I've already proven to you that the wage gap narrows drastically when comparing blacks and whites with college degrees. Remember, black women with degrees actually make more than white women with degrees. Once again, I would hate for logic to get in the way for you.

Hmmm I wonder if racism could play a role in someone's access to college?

It is $$$$....colleges are $$$$ driven. Except Harvard. LOL

Nothing to do with race. This is not the 30s. Try again.

If you grow up poor and you live in a poor neighborhood and you go to a bad, poor school, will that impact your ability to go to college?

Yes. Regardless of race. But I think programs exist now to help those persons. In fact recent immigrants from Africa and The Caribbean continually succeed when faced with these situations. Same for Asian immigrants. The key...TWO PARENTS. Also if you have two parents, both of whom graduated HS and have jobs before having a kid, the kid won't be poor.

Thank you again for making my point.

Even if black people do all of those things, they still end up behind white people.

Barely behind and the gap is tightening. Again do you agree. Y or N. ONE WORD ANSWER.

That two parents is a HUGE advantage over one parent?

Posted by bad_luck on 5/30/2018 11:35:00 AM (view original):
And this is without even talking about the justice system, which is the easiest way to prove institutional racism.

This belief assumes that blacks do not commit crimes any more frequently than whites. But if black men make up almost 50% of the prison population, they committed roughly 42% of violent crimes in the 1990s, and many studies have shown that, when severity of crime and past record are taken into account, there is no bias against blacks in the criminal justice system. At its inception, the War on Drugs, often interpreted as a “War on Blacks,” had the strong support of the Congressional Black Caucus, whose members aimed to stem inner-city violence. If these black officials, who at the time exhorted Congress to “save our communities,” were racists, then the definition of this term is beyond my comprehension.

Also to halt all profiling would increase the number of blacks murdered, mostly by other blacks. And black leaders would cite this rise as further evidence of racism, as happened in New York in the 1980s, when cops turned a blind eye to a wave of black crime. Many of those crying racism about today’s New York City policing were sounding the same call about the Dinkins administration’s lax policing.

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Posted by strikeout26 on 5/30/2018 11:19:00 AM (view original):
Could it possibly be that the difference in average earnings between the two races have to do with the number of people that have college degrees? Don't let logic get in the way, B_L. I've already proven to you that the wage gap narrows drastically when comparing blacks and whites with college degrees. Remember, black women with degrees actually make more than white women with degrees. Once again, I would hate for logic to get in the way for you.

Hmmm I wonder if racism could play a role in someone's access to college?

It is $$$$....colleges are $$$$ driven. Except Harvard. LOL

Nothing to do with race. This is not the 30s. Try again.

If you grow up poor and you live in a poor neighborhood and you go to a bad, poor school, will that impact your ability to go to college?

Yes. Regardless of race. But I think programs exist now to help those persons. In fact recent immigrants from Africa and The Caribbean continually succeed when faced with these situations. Same for Asian immigrants. The key...TWO PARENTS. Also if you have two parents, both of whom graduated HS and have jobs before having a kid, the kid won't be poor.

Thank you again for making my point.

Even if black people do all of those things, they still end up behind white people.

Barely behind and the gap is tightening. Again do you agree. Y or N. ONE WORD ANSWER.

That two parents is a HUGE advantage over one parent?

No, the gap is not narrowing.

Posted by cccp1014 on 5/30/2018 11:41:00 AM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 5/30/2018 11:35:00 AM (view original):
And this is without even talking about the justice system, which is the easiest way to prove institutional racism.

This belief assumes that blacks do not commit crimes any more frequently than whites. But if black men make up almost 50% of the prison population, they committed roughly 42% of violent crimes in the 1990s, and many studies have shown that, when severity of crime and past record are taken into account, there is no bias against blacks in the criminal justice system. At its inception, the War on Drugs, often interpreted as a “War on Blacks,” had the strong support of the Congressional Black Caucus, whose members aimed to stem inner-city violence. If these black officials, who at the time exhorted Congress to “save our communities,” were racists, then the definition of this term is beyond my comprehension.

Also to halt all profiling would increase the number of blacks murdered, mostly by other blacks. And black leaders would cite this rise as further evidence of racism, as happened in New York in the 1980s, when cops turned a blind eye to a wave of black crime. Many of those crying racism about today’s New York City policing were sounding the same call about the Dinkins administration’s lax policing.

Blacks receive longer prison sentences for the same crimes when prior record is controlled for.

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Posted by laramiebob on 5/29/2018 2:47:00 PM (view original):
Boris, your premise is flawed........ you don't DECIDE to become a single Mom........... You decide to fornicate unwisely and end up alone and without a male partner. THAT occurs for a whole shitload of reasons..... from deadbeat maledom to crazy females who can't "nest",-------- among others..........

You have made my point. We need to address this first and foremost not race relations. Single parenthood is slowly killing this country.

you may be right, but I don't see how that can be fixed? Do e make it illegal to have sex if you are not married? Who has to enforce that law....and how would they know? You keep bringing up single parent households as being the major part of the problem. I'm not sure I agree with that. That's neither here nor there. I don't see any way to fix it. Sex education in schools doesn't do it. I think we both agree there's no way you're going to stop people from having sex, whether they are married or not. So, how do we do it? How about a suggestion for fixing it instead of just saying it needs to be fixed.

I'd spend $10bn on education starting in middle school. Maybe provide incentives to kids who graduate HS and don't have a kid by giving them $5k per year for college. Now it won't pay for a lot but it will pay for some state schooling community college. Again my kids are in middle school and NO ONE is talking to them about the dangers of single parenthood.

That is how I would attack it. Similar to the "Just Say No" campaign vs. drugs in the 80s. I'd do the same thing for single motherhood now. I would also make welfare programs a lot less attractive. Rather than giving welfare stamps, that they sell for other sh*t, I'd deliver actual food. This way they have to eat what I provide vs. what they want to eat. So they won't go hungry but they won't get to choose necessarily what they like.

This is what I would do wylie.

Okay. How did the Just Say No to Drugs thing work out? Not very well, I'd say. Yes, it can't hurt to try any of these suggestion, may even help a little. But ity won't make much of a dent in the problem.

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Posted by all3 on 5/29/2018 3:29:00 PM (view original):
Why are we just discussing racism against blacks? What about the racism of blacks? No idea where to look for the numbers, but I'd bet the % of blacks who are racist is much higher than the % of whites. I'd also bet the % of racist whites has decreased much more over the last couple decades than the % of racist blacks. It's kind of hard for any race to say "Yeah, I'm cool with them.", when you have some of them screaming "I hate your black/white guts." in your face. Shouldn't addressing the racism of blacks be part of the discussion on how to make the problem better (it will never be eliminated)?

I don't see how this is relevant to the discussion. Unless you can name an institutionally racist practice against white people this is a big fat nothingburger.

also, if you and your ancestors had been discriminated against for 250 years, wouldn't you be a little antagonistic against the people doing the discriminating?

Is it understandable? Yes.
Does that make it right or less detrimental? No.
You don't think white racism would decrease if nothing changed except black racism?

Not addressing the broken record named tang. institutional racism this, institutional racism that. He uses that "rationale" (excuse) so much he needs a key on his keyboard to type it all at once to avoid carpal tunnel.

Never said it was right or less detrimental, just that I could see that viewpoint I honestly don't know if white racism would decrease. It may, but there are people out there who will be prejudiced regardless of what happens.

Exactly so stop ******** about it.

so, I should stop ******** about racism ? How will that help? I should just accept it? We're never going to be able to prevent single parent households, so you should just stop ******** about it.

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Posted by wylie715 on 5/29/2018 7:06:00 PM (view original):
Nobody asked you to write a check. Its easy for you (or me, for that matter) to say get over it, since we didn't go through it. As a Jew should I get over what happen in WWII? It was over 70 years ago.

You are right. It is easy for me to say that. I hadn't considered that. And if people encountered more people like myself regarding race, they would know we are rooting for them. That there is hope. I have good friends that get profiled. A lot. It ****** me off.

True. There are many people out there who don't see color, or gender, religion or sexual preference when looking at a person, just the person. It sounds like you are one of them. I like to think I'm one too. The problem is, while it is getting better, there are still far too many people who only see race, or gender, religion or sexual preference and judge people based on that.

When I argued this to a certain someone on this site a while back, he said everyone sees color and called me a liar for claiming I didn't.
Looks like it has a different effect on him coming from his own side of thinking.

Absolutely love the idea of a No Single Mothering campaign.

I hope you're not referring to me. I don't think I've ever called you a liar, or anyone else on this site either.

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Posted by laramiebob on 5/29/2018 2:47:00 PM (view original):
Boris, your premise is flawed........ you don't DECIDE to become a single Mom........... You decide to fornicate unwisely and end up alone and without a male partner. THAT occurs for a whole shitload of reasons..... from deadbeat maledom to crazy females who can't "nest",-------- among others..........

You have made my point. We need to address this first and foremost not race relations. Single parenthood is slowly killing this country.

you may be right, but I don't see how that can be fixed? Do e make it illegal to have sex if you are not married? Who has to enforce that law....and how would they know? You keep bringing up single parent households as being the major part of the problem. I'm not sure I agree with that. That's neither here nor there. I don't see any way to fix it. Sex education in schools doesn't do it. I think we both agree there's no way you're going to stop people from having sex, whether they are married or not. So, how do we do it? How about a suggestion for fixing it instead of just saying it needs to be fixed.

I'd spend $10bn on education starting in middle school. Maybe provide incentives to kids who graduate HS and don't have a kid by giving them $5k per year for college. Now it won't pay for a lot but it will pay for some state schooling community college. Again my kids are in middle school and NO ONE is talking to them about the dangers of single parenthood.

That is how I would attack it. Similar to the "Just Say No" campaign vs. drugs in the 80s. I'd do the same thing for single motherhood now. I would also make welfare programs a lot less attractive. Rather than giving welfare stamps, that they sell for other sh*t, I'd deliver actual food. This way they have to eat what I provide vs. what they want to eat. So they won't go hungry but they won't get to choose necessarily what they like.

This is what I would do wylie.

Do you have any proof that this program would work? 10bn isn't a ton of money, but it is enough on one program to need to have accountability and we need to know that it would work.

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Posted by laramiebob on 5/29/2018 2:47:00 PM (view original):
Boris, your premise is flawed........ you don't DECIDE to become a single Mom........... You decide to fornicate unwisely and end up alone and without a male partner. THAT occurs for a whole shitload of reasons..... from deadbeat maledom to crazy females who can't "nest",-------- among others..........

You have made my point. We need to address this first and foremost not race relations. Single parenthood is slowly killing this country.

you may be right, but I don't see how that can be fixed? Do e make it illegal to have sex if you are not married? Who has to enforce that law....and how would they know? You keep bringing up single parent households as being the major part of the problem. I'm not sure I agree with that. That's neither here nor there. I don't see any way to fix it. Sex education in schools doesn't do it. I think we both agree there's no way you're going to stop people from having sex, whether they are married or not. So, how do we do it? How about a suggestion for fixing it instead of just saying it needs to be fixed.

I'd spend $10bn on education starting in middle school. Maybe provide incentives to kids who graduate HS and don't have a kid by giving them $5k per year for college. Now it won't pay for a lot but it will pay for some state schooling community college. Again my kids are in middle school and NO ONE is talking to them about the dangers of single parenthood.

That is how I would attack it. Similar to the "Just Say No" campaign vs. drugs in the 80s. I'd do the same thing for single motherhood now. I would also make welfare programs a lot less attractive. Rather than giving welfare stamps, that they sell for other sh*t, I'd deliver actual food. This way they have to eat what I provide vs. what they want to eat. So they won't go hungry but they won't get to choose necessarily what they like.

This is what I would do wylie.

I'm quoting this because it's a reasonable start to an approach to the problem. And I do agree with Boris about the impact of (particularly) Fatherless children, any single Parent home has it tougher economically in today's world. No doubt about it.

Gov't (however) can/should only articulate for social behavior changes, NOT legislate for social engineering, as some think is OK to try.
The Just Say No campaign is a good example. Gov't $$$, yes, but only on an ad campaign/slogan/social influence attempt, not thru Law.

The problem with the Just Say No campaign was wasted dollars caused by ridiculously out-dated and inappropriate messaging for the parties intended.

At the middle school age level IMO Boris, it should be the Parent(s) province ONLY. The children are too varied and (some) emotionally "perplexed" at that age to let Gov't mess with them. BUT, their should/could be a campaign waged towards the appropriate age group (teen-agers) about wise sexual practices. Use humour. Have Joe Camel (or some modern-day appropriate popular icon) to look into the camera, deliver a safe sex AND family planning message with some cute/funny slogan to tie it all in like/say/for example:

Wrap that rascal, cowboy" or "Wrap that Rascal, bro" or "wrap that rascal, homey"

whatever the proper slang is for the region.

Somebody should start one of those hashmark thingies............. "Wrap that rascal #/life control"

something like that...............??