Posted by cccp1014 on 5/19/2018 1:36:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tangplay on 5/19/2018 10:59:00 AM (view original):
Posted by cccp1014 on 5/19/2018 7:48:00 AM (view original):
I have proven to the Leftists here that African American kids with two parents are a lot more successful than white kids with one parent. I have further proven that if people graduate HS, get a job and don't become single parents they will 98% of the time not be poor. I am not sure what else they want to see to end their needless racist rants.
Someone needs to please logically explain this to me.
Thank you
I mean, I just gave you three things to prove to me, and you decided not to do one of those three things.
1. Yes, but this does not mean that institutional racism does not exist. White kids with one parent are more successful than African American kids with one parent.
2. Correct, however half of the time people do that, they won't even break middle class. If a black person does all of those things, they earn about as much money on average as the average white person, even counting the white people who DON'T do those things.
Please respond to this without ad hominem.
Thank you.
#1) It does because there is no private institution that practices racism and a black POTUS was elected 2x over millionaire privileged white guys. That is indisputable. He also received 4mil more votes than HRC, who last I checked was white. Again indisputable. There are RACIST PEOPLE out there of course. But there are not racist institutions.If there are name one specific one. Don't say the "justice dept or police dept." show me specific people in those departments who are racist because let's face it those "departments" are made up of people.
#2) Where do you see that half the time they won't break middle class? What do you define as middle class? Don't fight me with stats. Give me concrete examples.
#3) Explain to me why 70% of the African American kids grow up with one parent. How is that due to racism? Explain why people like bad luck refuse to even discuss that topic. Heck even you won't discuss this topic.
70%!!! It was 20% in the 60s. Are we more racist now than we were in the 60s?
#1) Yeah there is. We already proved that plenty of institutions discriminate or have bias. Institutional racism doesn't mean that all black people lose. Obama would have won by more if he were white. How many people need to be 'racist' for you to say institutional racism exists? 1? 7? 1000000000000000000? You are missing the point. The point isn't that certain people are racist and holding all black people back, the point is that plenty of institutions in this country (like housing, banks, police, justice, education) have deep, systemic histories of policy that are discriminatory. Not that individual people are racist.
#2) According to your own study (Brookings): "Our research shows that of American adults who followed these three simple rules, only about 2?percent are in poverty and nearly 75?percent have joined the middle class (defined as earning around $55,000 or more per year). There are surely influences other than these principles at play, but following them guides a young adult away from poverty and toward the middle class." I was incorrect about the 50% part but 25% is still substantial. Also we are comparing people where everything else is equal. The fact that black people with two parents do better than white people with one parent is irrelevant. INSTITUTIONAL RACISM MEANS THAT ALL OTHER THINGS EQUAL, THE WHITE PERSON WILL BE BETTER OFF THAN THE BLACK PERSON ON AVERAGE.
#3) I don't know. I asked you that question (and why 30% of white kids grow up with one parent) and you said that the divide between those rates was due to generational wealth and cultural issues.
Again, I asked you why the disparate rate is there. If you truly believe that the ONLY reason for the divide is because of single parent rates, which could be a fair argument, you need to explain why there is such a big gap between white and black single parent rates and why the black two-parent poverty rate is similar to the overall white poverty rate. If you can explain that away, you have a pretty good argument. But let's debate on the same terms here. You seem to keep pushing the idea that some black people are better off than white people, which all of us agree on. But I cannot say enough that what I am trying to prove is that all other things equal, a white person is better off than a black person on average, and it is due to our deep history of systemic racism and discrimination that, in some ways, we still practice or at least feel the effects from today.