you could have had this conversation in the 1970s.
there is not thaat much affirmative action anymore.
you are living in the past.
you want to make america great again.

What? The conversation is with tangplay and he blatantly stated that being white gives me an advantage. I find that abominable. What does "not that much" even mean? Either there is or there isn't.

there is a lot about american history and the heritage of racism in this country that is abominable....maybe one day you will put all the pieces together...you will have an epiphany....look forward to it.

don't hold your breath Dino but I like your optimism.

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Posted by cccp1014 on 4/30/2018 10:07:00 AM (view original):
Me:

1. Support free market capitalism with some regulation
2. My philosophy on politics mirrors that of the founding fathers. Such as Electoral College. By the People for the People.
3. Private Property is a basic essence.
4. Pro secularism, freedom of expression, speech, and the press.
5. Small Government with heavy military spend.
6. Promotes programs to help those in need to educate themselves and get out of poverty.
7. Immigration is a privilege not a right.

tangplay:

1. Supports free market capitalism with more regulations to stop income inequality. Aka Whites are too rich.
2. Believes individual liberty must also require social justice and equality, with the government being the main tool to address these problems as such he is for Big Government.
3. Private Property is a basic essence but you need to pay more if you live in a white community
4. Wants to Eliminate the Electoral College
5. Promotes welfare programs that act as safety nets for the poor.
6. Open up the doors and help all who want to be helped.
7. Promotes secularism, freedom of expression, speech, and the press unless he sees it as not adhering to numbers 1-6.

Yeah, no. 3-5 is wrong.

3. Private property is a basic essence.
4. Wants to adjust the electoral college.
5. Promotes programs that equalize opportunity.

7. Promotes secularism, freedom of expression, speech, and the press.

Also whites are not too rich.

So now you are shifting away from your white privilege mantra? You were beating that drum for how long?

You are privledged to be white. That does not mean discriminating against white people by taking away money or anything. Equalize opportunity, not outcome.

Your rhetoric is borderline dangerous if not racist.

Wait, what? Why?

Why do you think? Again answer your own question.

No, I really don't understand why equalizing opportunity for people is racist. It is the opposite of racist. I can understand your arguments on AA, but not this.

No. You didn't say equalizing opportunity. You said being WHITE gives one an advantage. That is racism to its core. I have proven to you numerous times that African Americans with two parents are significantly more successful than whites with one parent. You just refuse to acknowledge this. I am all for EQUAL OPPORTUNITY and Affirmative Action spits in the face of this.

If some company told me that we are not hiring the person you want because they are white I would no longer work for that company. You would. Because you have serious mental issues.

I do not support Aftirmative Action.

We agree on equal opportunity. If you look at my proposals, none of them are like AA. Right now, opportunity is not equalized. ON AVERAGE, black prople do worse. They have a fundamental disadvantage. This, of course, does not mean that you suceed or don't succeed solely because of your race. Or that all white people do better than black people. But you have an advantage. Again, we agree that the solution is equal opportunity.

We agree on AA. Stop harping it.

Cccp, you understand the difference between equal opportunity (equal school funding) and equal outcomes (AA) right?

can we stop with so many repeated posts...im sick of so many page filling posts unless they are an article.....i cant even tell who writes those posts.

yeah, if you are responding to a post from a couple of pages ago, you should probably quote it. If you are responding to a post right before your post there is no reason to quote it.

you dont have to quote long posts......too much.....it causes a sucky thread..

Posted by tangplay on 5/1/2018 10:38:00 AM (view original):
Cccp, you understand the difference between equal opportunity (equal school funding) and equal outcomes (AA) right?

I just told you that black kids are better off than white kids if the aforementioned black kids come from a two parent household and white kids come from a one parent household. Stop relying on the government and the schools. Rely on the parents. My kids go to fairly good schools but they learn a lot more from me. I always help them with hw and projects. If they didn't have me and or my wife they would not be doing nearly as well. Teachers can only do so much. 70% of black kids come from a one parent household. That is the main problem. 40% of white kids come from one, btw. Both should stop having kids until they are financially stable and can support them in a dual parent environment. Unless they are super rich.

I think kids with two parents have a HUGE advantage over those with just one. Forget their race, color or gender.

Posted by dino27 on 5/1/2018 10:12:00 AM (view original):
there is a lot about american history and the heritage of racism in this country that is abominable....maybe one day you will put all the pieces together...you will have an epiphany....look forward to it.

What are you talking about? That was in the past. How long are you going to hold a grudge for? Honestly? Do you think the current African American community would rather have never been brought to the US? Slavery was awful. Abominable. Unforgivable. Current African Americans do benefit by living in the greatest country in the world because of what their ancestors suffered.

Maybe one day you'll learn to listen rather than just preach. Your opinion is NOT a fact.

as he preaches his opinion.

Yes, but I also listen and respond to others rather than just dismiss them. That is what an educated debate is. Stating that one day I will see the light is not a debate, that is just an insult.

if i dont respond it is because i feel it isnt worthy of my time.
you are entitled to your opinion and here.

On the topic of privilege/minority. Modern lawmakers (the Congress/Gov't) F'd everything up when they attempted to infuse race and sex into the definition of minority protections. They had NO place within a lawful definition of a Constitutional "minority". The U.S. Constitution offers NO protections on any such basis. The ONLY protection offered within our Constitution for "minorities" is for thought. The protection is for minority lifestyle/expression, the freedom to think and live differently without undue interference from the tyranny of democratic majority rule. Minority protection from the majority rule because the founders understood that democratic majority rule posed serious problems with FREE living. They intended nothing........when it comes to minority protections based on race or sexual identity/connotation. Thus, WHAT % of something one has to be to be a minority is irrelevant. Except when it comes to some modern law attempting to infuse race or sex into the equation/law. That specific law(s)' text should define the % requirement issue. If it doesn't then the law should be struck down for vagueness.


On another topic. Quoting Boris.

"I think kids with two parents have a HUGE advantage over those with just one. Forget their race, color or gender."

This is a fact NO ONE with a brain should contest. It used to be obvious and still should be. Problem is there are so many PARENTS who don't seem to know this, or prioritize their lifestyle in accordance with the reality. 2 Meth addicted parents tending children (for just one example) is going to produce just as many problems for society with their children as MANY of those single parent homes regardless of color.

In this respect (ONLY!) I agree with Boris......... RACE should just NOT be a factor (and in a few places, perhaps, racism's presence has vastly decreased)
But in fairness----Boris, you are just blind if you think those of us born into enough wealth and with lighter skinned complexion haven't experienced "privilege" living in the U S of A in the 20th century. It's just a fact we can't deny. Just like the fact of our Government's attempts at extermination of our red brothers happened......... or the holocaust. These things happen, they existed, and that most definitely includes racist treatment of non whites in our Country. As a (mostly) white person, I (and you) are privileged to have been born in the US. So are black and brown children THESE days. But, that wasn't always the case and thus white privilege did/does exist. To various levels in various regions of our Country. Savvy?