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Posted by cccp1014 on 4/10/2018 10:42:00 AM (view original):
That is not what he said. You live in a fantasy world. Captain Liar. Sometimes you just need to take the naked eye test.

Tangplay Logic:

Drunk Driving accident: Blames the Driver
Heroin overdose: Blames the drug user
Child Abuse: Blames the abuser
Person shot: Blames the NRA

But I am the one who needs help...When you get your head out of your @$$ we can converse until then go away you uneducated and cowardly troll. You don't even have the courage to share your name.
Tangplay logic:
Drunk driving accident: Blames the driver, however if car advocates paid off politicians to allow drunk driving then it is an issue.
Heroin overdose: Blames the drug user, however if drug advocates paid off politicians to allow heroin then that is an issue
Child Abuse: Blames the abuser, however if pedophiles paid off politicians to allow child abuse then that is an issue.
Person shot: Blames the shooter, however if gun advocates paid off politicians to allow more guns than that is an issue.



Seems fairly consistant to me.
4/10/2018 11:25 AM
Posted by tangplay on 4/10/2018 11:25:00 AM (view original):
Posted by cccp1014 on 4/10/2018 10:42:00 AM (view original):
That is not what he said. You live in a fantasy world. Captain Liar. Sometimes you just need to take the naked eye test.

Tangplay Logic:

Drunk Driving accident: Blames the Driver
Heroin overdose: Blames the drug user
Child Abuse: Blames the abuser
Person shot: Blames the NRA

But I am the one who needs help...When you get your head out of your @$$ we can converse until then go away you uneducated and cowardly troll. You don't even have the courage to share your name.
Tangplay logic:
Drunk driving accident: Blames the driver, however if car advocates paid off politicians to allow drunk driving then it is an issue.
Heroin overdose: Blames the drug user, however if drug advocates paid off politicians to allow heroin then that is an issue
Child Abuse: Blames the abuser, however if pedophiles paid off politicians to allow child abuse then that is an issue.
Person shot: Blames the shooter, however if gun advocates paid off politicians to allow more guns than that is an issue.



Seems fairly consistant to me.
Not remotely. Why car companies and not liquor companies? There are drug advocates? There are child abuse advocates? There are murder advocates?

Your stupidity is endless. LMAO!! Please post more. I share these with my kids and they shake their heads in disbelief.

Are you bringing out the Palestinian flag for the 2020 convention?
4/10/2018 11:29 AM
Posted by cccp1014 on 4/10/2018 11:23:00 AM (view original):
Posted by tangplay on 4/10/2018 11:15:00 AM (view original):
But let me take a guess as to why you are so freaked out about this 'invasion'. You need someone to blame the world's problems on besides whites and Jews so you picked Muslims and searched for rhetoric and people who take on that narrative.
You just said that all the world's problems are because of whites and Jews. You said you were a Jew and you are white. So in essence you are saying the world's problems are because of you. LMAO.

This is outstanding. The Mueller probe bores me. I am not a DJT sycophant but the media is totally biased. Any imbecile can see that. Even you.

Ben Shapiro --- 2024
I never said that. I said that YOU want to blame everyone but whites and Jews. Whites and Jews do bad stuff. Like everyone else. Every group has a minority of bad apples.

Mueller probe bores you? This is the biggest charge against a president since watergate. Colluding with Russians is an ENORMOUS deal. Was Benghazi boring?

And yes, the media is biased. Not politically, mostly, but to being lazy. There is your media bias.
4/10/2018 11:29 AM
Posted by crazystengel on 4/10/2018 11:08:00 AM (view original):
Good piece from NYT that explains the Michael Cohen raid for us laymen:

Why the F.B.I. Raid Is Perilous for Michael Cohen — and Trump
By Ken White

After a year of almost weekly revelations about Robert Mueller’s investigation of Donald Trump’s 2016 campaign, even indictments and guilty pleas of campaign officials have grown familiar. It’s not that the special counsel, Mr. Mueller, is crying wolf; it’s that we’ve gotten used to real wolves. Only truly startling developments engage a lot of us.

The F.B.I. search of the office, home and hotel room of Mr. Trump’s attorney Michael Cohen is such a development. It’s historic, even in the lofty context of a special counsel investigation of the president.

This is what we know, in part from Mr. Cohen’s attorney: The United States attorney’s office in Manhattan, acting on a referral from Mr. Mueller, sought and obtained search warrants for Mr. Cohen’s law office, home and hotel room, seeking evidence related at least in part to his payment of $130,000 in hush money to the adult actress Stephanie Clifford, who goes by her stage name, Stormy Daniels. There are reports that the warrant sought evidence of bank fraud and campaign finance violations, which is consistent with an investigation into allegations that the Daniels payment was illegally sourced or disguised. (For example, routing a payment through a shell company to hide the fact that the money came from the Trump campaign — if that is what happened — would probably violate federal money-laundering laws.)

What does this tell us? First, it reflects that numerous officials — not just Mr. Mueller — concluded that there was probable cause to believe that Mr. Cohen’s law office, home and hotel room contained evidence of a federal crime. A search warrant for a lawyer’s office implicates the attorney-client privilege and core constitutional rights, so the Department of Justice requires unusual levels of approval to seek one. Prosecutors must seek the approval of the United States attorney of the district — in this case Geoffrey Berman, the interim United States attorney appointed by President Trump.

Second, the search demonstrates that federal prosecutors and supervisors in the Justice Department concluded that Mr. Cohen could not be trusted to preserve and turn over documents voluntarily. The same regulations that require prosecutors to seek high-level approval for a warrant to search a law office also instruct them to use the least intrusive means to obtain evidence from a lawyer, and to consider requesting voluntary cooperation or serving a subpoena. Mr. Cohen’s lawyer has loudly protested that he had been cooperating. This search warrant means that prosecutors — including the United States attorney for the Southern District of New York, and the criminal division at the Justice Department — believed that Mr. Cohen could not be trusted to respond fully to a subpoena or might destroy documents.

Third, the search suggests that prosecutors most likely believe that Mr. Cohen’s clients used his legal services for the purpose of engaging in crime or fraud. Attorney-client communications are privileged, which is why it’s so unusual and difficult for prosecutors to get approval to search a law office. Justice Department regulations require federal prosecutors to set up a system to have a separate group — a so-called dirty team — review the files and separate out attorney-client communications so that the investigators and prosecutors won’t see anything protected by the privilege.

But if a client is using a lawyer’s services for the purpose of engaging in crime or fraud, there is no privilege. The very aggressive search of Mr. Cohen’s office for attorney-client files suggests that the prosecutors believe they can convince a judge that communications between Mr. Trump and Mr. Cohen fall under the crime-fraud exception. If you think they can’t pull that off, think again — they’ve already done it once: Mr. Mueller persuaded a judge to apply the exception to compel testimony from Paul Manafort’s lawyer, arguing successfully that he engaged her services in order to commit fraud.

Finally, it’s significant that Mr. Mueller sent this matter to the federal attorney’s office in New York for it to pursue. Mr. Mueller is empowered to investigate both alleged coordination between Russia and the Trump campaign and any matters “that arose or may arise directly from the investigation.” Mr. Mueller’s referral of the Stormy Daniels matter to New York suggests he believes it is outside that scope of his investigation. Perhaps it arose from press coverage of Ms. Daniels’s incendiary claims and from the bumbling and inconsistent public responses of Mr. Cohen and President Trump. In other words, this could be an own goal by the president and Mr. Cohen.

A federal criminal defense lawyer’s favorite advice, delivered with varying degrees of diplomacy and accompanying obscenities, is “shut up.” Mr. Cohen would not be the first person to ignore such advice, nor the first person to talk himself into trouble. Many of the people Mr. Mueller has snared to date have fallen into that category, finding themselves charged for lying to the investigative team.

But consider this: The Stormy Daniels payout may be outside the scope of the Russia investigation, but it’s possible that Mr. Cohen’s records are full of materials that are squarely within that scope. And the law is clear: If investigators executing a lawful warrant seize evidence of additional crimes, they may use that evidence. Thus Mr. Trump and Mr. Cohen, with their catastrophically clumsy handling of the Daniels affair, may have handed Mr. Mueller devastating evidence.

It’s easy to conclude that after so many bombshells, this is just another overfrantic news cycle. It’s not. It’s highly dangerous, and not just for Mr. Cohen. It’s perilous for the president, whose personal lawyer now may face a choice between going down fighting alone or saving his own skin by giving the wolves what they want.

rico petrocelli.
4/10/2018 11:29 AM
Posted by cccp1014 on 4/10/2018 11:29:00 AM (view original):
Posted by tangplay on 4/10/2018 11:25:00 AM (view original):
Posted by cccp1014 on 4/10/2018 10:42:00 AM (view original):
That is not what he said. You live in a fantasy world. Captain Liar. Sometimes you just need to take the naked eye test.

Tangplay Logic:

Drunk Driving accident: Blames the Driver
Heroin overdose: Blames the drug user
Child Abuse: Blames the abuser
Person shot: Blames the NRA

But I am the one who needs help...When you get your head out of your @$$ we can converse until then go away you uneducated and cowardly troll. You don't even have the courage to share your name.
Tangplay logic:
Drunk driving accident: Blames the driver, however if car advocates paid off politicians to allow drunk driving then it is an issue.
Heroin overdose: Blames the drug user, however if drug advocates paid off politicians to allow heroin then that is an issue
Child Abuse: Blames the abuser, however if pedophiles paid off politicians to allow child abuse then that is an issue.
Person shot: Blames the shooter, however if gun advocates paid off politicians to allow more guns than that is an issue.



Seems fairly consistant to me.
Not remotely. Why car companies and not liquor companies? There are drug advocates? There are child abuse advocates? There are murder advocates?

Your stupidity is endless. LMAO!! Please post more. I share these with my kids and they shake their heads in disbelief.

Are you bringing out the Palestinian flag for the 2020 convention?
It could be either one.

Yes, there are.

No, there are not pedophile advocates, it was a hypothetical scenario. IF that were happening, that would be my stance. If the NRA did not exist, we would have gun control and we would not be having this discussion. You might be saying 'gun advocates? Idiot.' The point is that my positions are consistant between them. Blame the offender, but if people are defending the offender's and others rights to offend again then that is an issue.

I will not be attending the 2020 convention unless it is held in Kansas and if I were I would not fly the Palestinian flag.
4/10/2018 11:33 AM
The reason they own guns is because of the constitution. You do realize that right? OMG!!! WOW

4/10/2018 11:40 AM
Posted by cccp1014 on 4/10/2018 11:40:00 AM (view original):
The reason they own guns is because of the constitution. You do realize that right? OMG!!! WOW

Are you forgetting your own position? You think the 2nd amendment is outdated.

And I don't support taking away all guns.
4/10/2018 11:47 AM (edited)
More proof that CCCP changes his opinions just to argue with me.
4/10/2018 11:43 AM
I never said my position changed. I said your logic is faulty. I don't think we should ban guns I said:
  1. Raise the age limit to 25. Younger only if needed for work such as military, private security or policing and additional licenses would be required
  2. Semi annual psych checks
  3. Additional licenses for something other than a hand gun.
I never said march against the NRA. Dummy.

4/10/2018 11:47 AM
i wish americans could be on the maturity plane of peoples of Scandinavian countries and Canada and Britain.........their pursuit of happiness does not require guns.
4/10/2018 11:51 AM
dino, I remember a TV show called Petrocelli when I was a kid, a lawyer show. You ever see that one? I don't think it was based on the Red Sox infielder, although he was probably still active when the show was on.

Maybe it's because I only consume Fake News but it seems to me Trump is screwed. Like, bigly screwed. I see even Republicans are telling him not to fire Mueller, as if trying to talk him down from the ledge. Does it make a difference, though? From Trump's point of view it's bad either way. Might as well go down swinging with some Saturday Night Massacre-type mayhem. Plus, give the fans what they paid for. The Celebrity Apprentice host not firing people is like the Stones not playing "Satisfaction" at a concert.
4/10/2018 11:53 AM
Posted by cccp1014 on 4/10/2018 11:47:00 AM (view original):
I never said my position changed. I said your logic is faulty. I don't think we should ban guns I said:
  1. Raise the age limit to 25. Younger only if needed for work such as military, private security or policing and additional licenses would be required
  2. Semi annual psych checks
  3. Additional licenses for something other than a hand gun.
I never said march against the NRA. Dummy.

I don't either. I never said to take away all guns. You want to change the 2nd amendment. You said that MULTIPLE times.

And is it not a problem that the NRA pays politicians to not pass those reforms you talked about?
4/10/2018 11:55 AM
Posted by dino27 on 4/10/2018 11:51:00 AM (view original):
i wish americans could be on the maturity plane of peoples of Scandinavian countries and Canada and Britain.........their pursuit of happiness does not require guns.
Someday I want to visit Norway or Sweden. Conssrvatives say that those countries don't exist.
4/10/2018 11:56 AM
exactly what i think...he is damned if he does and damned if he doesnt...i would think it would be better for his ego that he goes down quickly for obstruction.....maybe he could get pardoned by the turkey........although ny hates him so much he could still get indicted on state charges.
i guess rico can be federal and state.
4/10/2018 12:00 PM
Posted by tangplay on 4/10/2018 11:56:00 AM (view original):
Posted by dino27 on 4/10/2018 11:51:00 AM (view original):
i wish americans could be on the maturity plane of peoples of Scandinavian countries and Canada and Britain.........their pursuit of happiness does not require guns.
Someday I want to visit Norway or Sweden. Conssrvatives say that those countries don't exist.
of course...sex and drugs and rock and roll.
4/10/2018 12:01 PM
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