Posted by wylie715 on 4/3/2018 12:29:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 4/2/2018 8:28:00 PM (view original):
Just as it seems we talk sense into CCCP, he goes and gets another dose of bullshit, reversing all our hard work.

CCCP's views make perfect sense to him, just as yours make perfect sense to you. I'm not trying to change his or anyone else's point of view. It won't happen. CCCP believes what he believes and he has every right to do so. You believe what you believe and have every right to do so.

Truth

Except I am not a hypocrite while Tangplay is.

Posted by cccp1014 on 4/3/2018 12:25:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 4/3/2018 12:24:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 4/3/2018 11:46:00 AM (view original):

Posted by dino27 on 4/2/2018 7:41:00 PM (view original):
just so we can all be on the same page.....someone who is left of center is not a leftist.
someone right of center is not alt right..

You are left of center. Tangplay is a LEFTIST.

Let's be clear here, dino.

Explain why I am a leftist when dino is farther left than I am.

#1) You want to get rid of the Electoral College
#2) You want Free Education
#3) You identify with Bernie Sanders
#4) You keep crying about white privilege.
#5) You practice identity politics
#6) You are anti military and a self-identified pacifist
#7) You are anti capitalism
#8) You want an even bigger Gov't aka welfare state
#9) You support highest taxes on the wealthiest
#10) You think America as a society is inherently racist

#1) Yup. Not a leftist thing.
#2) Yup.
#3) I voted for him. He is left of center not a leftist.
#4) Crying? Dino does this too
#5) This is literally what you do. And even if I did this, it would be the opposite of a leftist.
#6) Anti-military? No. Pacifist? yes. I am a Christian not a leftist.
#7) Incorrect
#8) Incorrect
#9) Correct. Not leftist.
#10) Correct. Facts not leftist.

Again, I do not agree with the left on everything. I have moderate views on a lot of things. I agree with the left on a majority of issues. I am left of center, by definition. I don't have far-left views. I am not crying for impeachment, saying the election was rigged, saying Trump is a fascist, a communist, or a radical feminist.

Posted by cccp1014 on 4/3/2018 12:27:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 4/3/2018 12:23:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 4/3/2018 12:21:00 PM (view original):
If he did that I would revolt!! Ha ha ha

In terms of OK, that is a state decision not federal. I agree that States need to run themselves and only have the Federal Gov't give them support during emergencies such as weather related, etc.

Yeah but if things are bad because the states simply cannot handle education, then it is the federal government's job to help, right? Wouldn't that be logical?

MA handles it just fine. OK just did it poorly. I don't need the Federal Gov't telling me in MA how to run our state. Obviously OK needs more help as their elected officials are morons. OK needs to figure this out. It is simple budgeting. No the Federal Gov't SHOULD NOT interfere here. Logical and you have zero in common.

But OK won't, because they don't care. Education is not on state's priorities list. In Kansas it is cut almost every year.

Posted by cccp1014 on 4/3/2018 12:31:00 PM (view original):

Posted by wylie715 on 4/3/2018 12:29:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 4/2/2018 8:28:00 PM (view original):
Just as it seems we talk sense into CCCP, he goes and gets another dose of bullshit, reversing all our hard work.

CCCP's views make perfect sense to him, just as yours make perfect sense to you. I'm not trying to change his or anyone else's point of view. It won't happen. CCCP believes what he believes and he has every right to do so. You believe what you believe and have every right to do so.

Truth

Except I am not a hypocrite while Tangplay is.

Wylie - I agree. I state my point of view. All I was saying is that we just had a conversation where we came to a conclusion, and the next day he reverts back to posting the same stuff dino and I disproved the day before. It is frustrating.

And I am not a hypocrite.

That is not what a leftist is. Man you are dumb.

You definitely believe the following:

• Capitalism, particularly free-market capitalism, only concentrates power in the hands of a wealthy few, destroying the working-class.
• Companies and individuals will not treat ethnic minorities or disenfranchised groups with respect unless compelled (by regulation or incentive) to do so.
• There are some things (like the environment) too important to trust people with doing, and thus the government must control group efforts to tackle these issues.

And #9 and #10 are 100% LEFTIST views. Bernie Sanders was almost a communist. Definitely a Leftist. The cornerstone of his campaign was that there is massive wealth inequality in the US. 100% a Leftist view. Bill Gates is wealthier than I am. He deserves to be. I should not be entitled to more of his wealth just because.

Early in Sanders' career he had praised the Cuban government for their reforms, including widespread education and health care in Cuba....thats your moderate!!?!? LMAO!

Let the guy who's so far left he's round the bend to near extinction weigh in here...............

On numbers 9 and 10 from Boris's list (above).

And just for the record........... # 's 1 thru 8 are idiotic positions, though #2 should be (as the AZ constitution states) "as nearly free as possible" but with the realization that NOTHING of value is completely free. Also I won't criticize anyone for "identifying" with Bernie Sanders, as he's an old likable white guy. And he was a far truer outsider than Trumpie anyday. Perhaps, not quite as nuts, too! But still........ President? C'mon Man!

Now back to # 9 (Number nine, number nine, etc)
I support higher taxes on the wealthiest among us as long as it is fairly applied and COLLECTED and used to finance legitimate Governmental enterprises supported (generally) by the people.
And as to number 10. Boris, it is a Historical FACT, that OUR American society HAS BEEN an inherently racist society.
Now, are we aware of it and addressing it. Yes, to some degree. And to some degree (maybe a large degree among the youth) the PRACTICE of societal racism is abating. But, whether you admit it or not, it still exists to some degree......... even within the lending industry!!!
Sorry to be the bearer of such bad news Boris, but it is what it is. Don't blame the messenger.

SOME degree but the country is not inherently racist. We do have racist people as does every country. Even Liberal France. And yes they are idiotic positions that Tangplay supports yet he claims to be a moderate?!?!?! LMAO!!!!

Posted by cccp1014 on 4/3/2018 12:39:00 PM (view original):
That is not what a leftist is. Man you are dumb.

You definitely believe the following:

• Capitalism, particularly free-market capitalism, only concentrates power in the hands of a wealthy few, destroying the working-class.
• Companies and individuals will not treat ethnic minorities or disenfranchised groups with respect unless compelled (by regulation or incentive) to do so.
• There are some things (like the environment) too important to trust people with doing, and thus the government must control group efforts to tackle these issues.

And #9 and #10 are 100% LEFTIST views. Bernie Sanders was almost a communist. Definitely a Leftist. The cornerstone of his campaign was that there is massive wealth inequality in the US. 100% a Leftist view. Bill Gates is wealthier than I am. He deserves to be. I should not be entitled to more of his wealth just because.

Early in Sanders' career he had praised the Cuban government for their reforms, including widespread education and health care in Cuba....thats your moderate!!?!? LMAO!

• No
• In some cases, but IDK
• Yes

Bernie Sanders is not a leftist, although closer than I am. And sometimes there isn't. Trump doesn't deserve to be wealthier than your parents, Comrade.

Posted by tangplay on 4/3/2018 12:35:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 4/3/2018 12:31:00 PM (view original):

Posted by wylie715 on 4/3/2018 12:29:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 4/2/2018 8:28:00 PM (view original):
Just as it seems we talk sense into CCCP, he goes and gets another dose of bullshit, reversing all our hard work.

CCCP's views make perfect sense to him, just as yours make perfect sense to you. I'm not trying to change his or anyone else's point of view. It won't happen. CCCP believes what he believes and he has every right to do so. You believe what you believe and have every right to do so.

Truth

Except I am not a hypocrite while Tangplay is.

Wylie - I agree. I state my point of view. All I was saying is that we just had a conversation where we came to a conclusion, and the next day he reverts back to posting the same stuff dino and I disproved the day before. It is frustrating.

And I am not a hypocrite.

Tangplay:

1. Gov't should stay out of people's private lives. If a man wants to marry a man so be it
2. Gov't should regulate healthcare. If an MD wants to charge $1k for an X-Ray they should not be allowed to do so. Free markets are terrible.
3. Gov't should regulate who employers hire. Companies are inherently racist.

So for me Gov't should not interfere when I feel like it but should interfere well...when I feel like it.

Hypocrite!

My stance:

Gov't should not interfere period. Let free markets reign. Stay out of my private life!

Posted by cccp1014 on 4/3/2018 12:41:00 PM (view original):
SOME degree but the country is not inherently racist. We do have racist people as does every country. Even Liberal France. And yes they are idiotic positions that Tangplay supports yet he claims to be a moderate?!?!?! LMAO!!!!

I am not a moderate. I am left of center.

The country was partially built on slavery. We still have people in the country that hold the Confederacy dearly. We elected a man that has policies that support the notion that whites and white culture is superior to others. We are inherently racist.

Posted by tangplay on 4/3/2018 12:44:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 4/3/2018 12:39:00 PM (view original):
That is not what a leftist is. Man you are dumb.

You definitely believe the following:

• Capitalism, particularly free-market capitalism, only concentrates power in the hands of a wealthy few, destroying the working-class.
• Companies and individuals will not treat ethnic minorities or disenfranchised groups with respect unless compelled (by regulation or incentive) to do so.
• There are some things (like the environment) too important to trust people with doing, and thus the government must control group efforts to tackle these issues.

And #9 and #10 are 100% LEFTIST views. Bernie Sanders was almost a communist. Definitely a Leftist. The cornerstone of his campaign was that there is massive wealth inequality in the US. 100% a Leftist view. Bill Gates is wealthier than I am. He deserves to be. I should not be entitled to more of his wealth just because.

Early in Sanders' career he had praised the Cuban government for their reforms, including widespread education and health care in Cuba....thats your moderate!!?!? LMAO!

• No
• In some cases, but IDK
• Yes

Bernie Sanders is not a leftist, although closer than I am. And sometimes there isn't. Trump doesn't deserve to be wealthier than your parents, Comrade.

#1) Yes. You are too stupid to see it since you always cry about poverty.
#2) By definition that makes you a leftist.
#3) See #2

Trump has the money and my parents do not. He attained that money legally. He deserves whatever he has. Trump has way less money than Mark Cuban. Does Mark Cuban not deserve the money he has? I mean that is crazy talk.

Instead of vilifying the wealthy we should respect them and try to be more like them IMO.

Well, idiotic is a harsh word............ I didn't necessarily mean it as personal. I'm sure Tangy is a nice young fella.......
But, the Electoral system is fundamentally sound and sacred. It has a purpose and was purposely instilled as the Presidential election LAW by our founding Fathers! It is sacrilege to even THINK of doing away with it.The idea is Treasonous in it's stupidity.

Sanders was a nice fantasy. BUT, he IS a lightweight Socialist if there is such a thing.
BUT, the real problem is he's a lightweight generally. Hasn't got the means to his ends.

We were only one state off, though. Should have looked to Maine instead of Vermont........... Up in Maine there IS a REAL independant who'd make a great President IMO. And his name is Angus. Cool huh? He needs to find a VP candidate named Malcolm and run for POTUS as an outsider, Independent Candidate in 2020. Give us a REAL choice! :-)

Posted by tangplay on 4/3/2018 12:46:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 4/3/2018 12:41:00 PM (view original):
SOME degree but the country is not inherently racist. We do have racist people as does every country. Even Liberal France. And yes they are idiotic positions that Tangplay supports yet he claims to be a moderate?!?!?! LMAO!!!!

I am not a moderate. I am left of center.

The country was partially built on slavery. We still have people in the country that hold the Confederacy dearly. We elected a man that has policies that support the notion that whites and white culture is superior to others. We are inherently racist.

#1) Yes. So were many countries. We also abolished slavery. Fought a war over it in fact.
#2) Yes. And they have that right. We also have many more that find that way of thinking putrid.
#3) Nope. He said he wanted to tighten immigration policies and deport illegal aliens That does not make him remotely racist. Now he may be racist but not because of any of his policies.

No moderate would want to get rid of the electoral college. Not one. That is the essence of our Republic.

Posted by cccp1014 on 4/3/2018 12:44:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 4/3/2018 12:35:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 4/3/2018 12:31:00 PM (view original):

Posted by wylie715 on 4/3/2018 12:29:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 4/2/2018 8:28:00 PM (view original):
Just as it seems we talk sense into CCCP, he goes and gets another dose of bullshit, reversing all our hard work.

CCCP's views make perfect sense to him, just as yours make perfect sense to you. I'm not trying to change his or anyone else's point of view. It won't happen. CCCP believes what he believes and he has every right to do so. You believe what you believe and have every right to do so.

Truth

Except I am not a hypocrite while Tangplay is.

Wylie - I agree. I state my point of view. All I was saying is that we just had a conversation where we came to a conclusion, and the next day he reverts back to posting the same stuff dino and I disproved the day before. It is frustrating.

And I am not a hypocrite.

Tangplay:

1. Gov't should stay out of people's private lives. If a man wants to marry a man so be it
2. Gov't should regulate healthcare. If an MD wants to charge $1k for an X-Ray they should not be allowed to do so. Free markets are terrible.
3. Gov't should regulate who employers hire. Companies are inherently racist.

So for me Gov't should not interfere when I feel like it but should interfere well...when I feel like it.

Hypocrite!

My stance:

Gov't should not interfere period. Let free markets reign. Stay out of my private life!

But there is a fundamental difference between #s 1 and 2. #1 is very personal. #2 is healthcare, something people need to survive. It is life-and-death. I don't believe #3 BTW. I don't believe in a certain # of minorities or whatever having to be accepted into a company.

Healthcare is not private life.

Posted by laramiebob on 4/3/2018 12:49:00 PM (view original):
Well, idiotic is a harsh word............ I didn't necessarily mean it as personal. I'm sure Tangy is a nice young fella.......
But, the Electoral system is fundamentally sound and sacred. It has a purpose and was purposely instilled as the Presidential election LAW by our founding Fathers! It is sacrilege to even THINK of doing away with it.The idea is Treasonous in it's stupidity.

Sanders was a nice fantasy. BUT, he IS a lightweight Socialist if there is such a thing.
BUT, the real problem is he's a lightweight generally. Hasn't got the means to his ends.

We were only one state off, though. Should have looked to Maine instead of Vermont........... Up in Maine there IS a REAL independant who'd make a great President IMO. And his name is Angus. Cool huh? He needs to find a VP candidate named Malcolm and run for POTUS as an outsider, Independent Candidate in 2020. Give us a REAL choice! :-)

I think idiotic is an appropriate adjective.

I don't care what he believes and I don't care that he is a leftist. But the fact that he cannot even self identify is hilarious to me. I am actually a moderate who leans left. That is why I laugh when he describes himself as such.