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Posted by strikeout26 on 3/18/2018 8:20:00 PM (view original):
Yeah, your Newsweek article doesn't change my mind about voter ID laws. It's foolish to allow someone to vote without proof that they are who they say they are.

But it never happens. You still haven't responded to that.

I have to show ID to buy a can of chewing tobacco or a case of beer. Having to show ID to vote is perfectly reasonable.

I'm still waiting on the study that shows that 25% of blacks don't have government issues ID's.

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Posted by strikeout26 on 3/18/2018 6:41:00 PM (view original):
Also, it's a fact that more minorities are in poverty, but the struggles they face see no race. I live in a town that is 80% white. It's dirt poor. The same mistakes that keep the cycle going are made here that are made in Lithonia, Ga which is 80% black/Hispanic which leads me to believe that CCCP is correct in that poverty is not a race issue.

I don't see more black people being in poverty as a coincidence. The deep history of racism in this country puts them at a DISADVANTAGE.

It's not a coincidence. Racism put them their, yes. I personally feel the playing field is now even as far as opportunity. Racist policies created a culture that has kept them in poverty. This happened in the past. You can't control the past. Are you going to start winning or are you going to blame the past, which is out of your control and accept failure? It's all about personal choice. Learn to believe in it. Blaming the past is making excuses.

Is it? Really? So in the example I used earlier, it is 'complaining' me to point out that the kids who are behind have a disadvantage? Like I get your point, but it is truly a pointless conversation-ender.

See my post to Dino. The last paragraph of it.

I don't believe in luck either. It sure wasn't a lucky break for black people that they were used as property for hundreds of years.

I covered that. Obviously, calling it "unfortunate" is a great understatement, but my post still applies. Are you going to let something that ended in 1865 effect you in 2018?

"I believe some people run into unfortunate situations that are out of their control. You find out alot about one's character by how they respond when these events happen. Are you going to give in or are you going to figure out how to persevere?"

Yes, because it still affects everyone. Would you like to tell that to people who wave the confederate flag?

Obviously black people have responded pretty well, considering that a lot of them managed to get out of poverty, against the odds. Again, my point is that there is a disparity. You keep talking about perseverance, which is pretty irrelevant.

God, you're a waist to your cause. "Perseverance is irrelevant." You keep saying stupider and stupider stuff. Are you on drugs?

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Posted by strikeout26 on 3/18/2018 6:38:00 PM (view original):
There's an old adage in baseball that says "worry about the things you can control."

People in poverty can only control their personal situation. If people blame factors that are out of their control, they will never succeed.

Things they can control:

1. Education
2. Not having kids out of wedlock
3. Money management (I lived on $2,000/month with a wife and newborn baby, it sucked but it's possible. We did not take any government assistance. We lived extremely tight and all the bills were paid)

Like I said, people in poverty can say, I'm at a disadvantage and give up or they can fight. Are you a winner or loser?

Yes, people can control that, especially #2, is the main one. All I am saying is that people in poverty, specifically black people, are at a disadvantage. Not that they are completely screwed. People in poverty have worse educations and probably have no way of learning good money management if they have no connections, which many don't.

No one is saying to give up.

Have you ever worked in an inner-city school?

No, but I have gone to school in one.

That's what I thought. I have. You don't know as much about the situation as you claim. The kids have every opportunity to succeed from within the school. The ones who do succeed have attentive parents. That's the key. It has nothing to do with a lack of opportunity at a school.

Attentive parents are one part (Which the poor tend not to have) but so does school funding. I had classes in a shed, had textbooks that were written all over and had pages missing, and a teacher left in the middle of my sixth grade year meaning that we had to cram classes full of kids. Did that not affect my education?

It's very simple. Kids with attentive parents succeed and kids without typically fail. Don't make it harder than it is. You are an example of this. You had attentive parents in this inner-city school and did just find despite the lack of funding.

Just like with affordable housing, do you have a solution of how to equalize funding? The funding disparities come from differences in property values. They are due to disparities in local taxes. It's not like the federal government is saying "let's give white schools x and black schools less than x."

DISPARITIES IN LOCAL TAXES! Great. Nailed it. Now tell me why black people live in less wealthy houses. I will give you a hint. Starts with 'red' and ends with 'lining'.

https://www2.ed.gov/about/bdscomm/list/eec/equity-excellence-commission-report.pdf

Give me the bullet points. I'm not reading 52 pages.

Summary: People in poor schools have it worse. Equalize school funding with a comprehensive plan that involves lots of different things. 30 billion dollars over 10 years.

I keep trying to defend you when other people get on your case, but I can't help you if you're not going to use an ounce of common sense. GROW UP!!!

Where does the $30B come from?

P.S. I'm not arguing that school funding shouldn't be equal. I want you to be able to defend your solutions. I'm playing devil's advocate with this one.

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Posted by tangplay on 3/18/2018 8:40:00 PM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 3/18/2018 8:20:00 PM (view original):
Yeah, your Newsweek article doesn't change my mind about voter ID laws. It's foolish to allow someone to vote without proof that they are who they say they are.

But it never happens. You still haven't responded to that.

I have to show ID to buy a can of chewing tobacco or a case of beer. Having to show ID to vote is perfectly reasonable.

I'm still waiting on the study that shows that 25% of blacks don't have government issues ID's.

https://www.aclu.org/other/oppose-voter-id-legislation-fact-sheet

No, it isn't, because again, voter ID does nothing.

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Posted by strikeout26 on 3/18/2018 6:41:00 PM (view original):
Also, it's a fact that more minorities are in poverty, but the struggles they face see no race. I live in a town that is 80% white. It's dirt poor. The same mistakes that keep the cycle going are made here that are made in Lithonia, Ga which is 80% black/Hispanic which leads me to believe that CCCP is correct in that poverty is not a race issue.

I don't see more black people being in poverty as a coincidence. The deep history of racism in this country puts them at a DISADVANTAGE.

It's not a coincidence. Racism put them their, yes. I personally feel the playing field is now even as far as opportunity. Racist policies created a culture that has kept them in poverty. This happened in the past. You can't control the past. Are you going to start winning or are you going to blame the past, which is out of your control and accept failure? It's all about personal choice. Learn to believe in it. Blaming the past is making excuses.

Is it? Really? So in the example I used earlier, it is 'complaining' me to point out that the kids who are behind have a disadvantage? Like I get your point, but it is truly a pointless conversation-ender.

See my post to Dino. The last paragraph of it.

I don't believe in luck either. It sure wasn't a lucky break for black people that they were used as property for hundreds of years.

I covered that. Obviously, calling it "unfortunate" is a great understatement, but my post still applies. Are you going to let something that ended in 1865 effect you in 2018?

"I believe some people run into unfortunate situations that are out of their control. You find out alot about one's character by how they respond when these events happen. Are you going to give in or are you going to figure out how to persevere?"

Yes, because it still affects everyone. Would you like to tell that to people who wave the confederate flag?

Obviously black people have responded pretty well, considering that a lot of them managed to get out of poverty, against the odds. Again, my point is that there is a disparity. You keep talking about perseverance, which is pretty irrelevant.

God, you're a waist to your cause. "Perseverance is irrelevant." You keep saying stupider and stupider stuff. Are you on drugs?

It is irrelevant to the argument.

Posted by strikeout26 on 3/18/2018 8:54:00 PM (view original):
Where does the $30B come from?

P.S. I'm not arguing that school funding shouldn't be equal. I want you to be able to defend your solutions. I'm playing devil's advocate with this one.

Well, first off, the plan will eventually pay for itself (I can cite experts on that). Second off we can eliminate wasteful spending in DOJ and wasteful defense spending. And if that isn't enough there is always that top 1% tax increase.

Perseverance is irrelevant to the argument of how to overcome adversity? Please tell me that you're making an attempt at being funny.

Posted by tangplay on 3/18/2018 8:58:00 PM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 3/18/2018 8:54:00 PM (view original):
Where does the $30B come from?

P.S. I'm not arguing that school funding shouldn't be equal. I want you to be able to defend your solutions. I'm playing devil's advocate with this one.

Well, first off, the plan will eventually pay for itself (I can cite experts on that). Second off we can eliminate wasteful spending in DOJ and wasteful defense spending. And if that isn't enough there is always that top 1% tax increase.

I don't buy the "it will pay for itself argument". I don't like it with Trump's tax plan and I don't like it with this. I'll agree that the federal government has plenty of waist and that money could be reallocated.

Stop punishing people for being successful. You acted like I was stupid when I said, "how far can you tax people", but that is always your solution. Once again, where does it stop, 99% of their income?

the abortion bible stuff i found in isaac asimov commentary on the bible.....i cant find the book..i think it is somewhere in the garage.

If you come across it, give the verse please. I'm pretty well-versed on the Bible (no pun intended) and I don't remember that.

tangplay is such a freaking moron that he cannot accept that parenting is a lot more important than funding in kids schooling. He is also against the Electoral College and would rather have nefarious actions taken upon him and his family than be saved if it meant hurting the assailant. He is the epitome of an ignorant fool..

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Posted by cccp1014 on 3/18/2018 2:47:00 PM (view original):
All the so called Liberal Democrats who post here are F*CKING hypocrites. Sorry but you are.

When have Taint, Bob, or I been hypocritical?

I exclude Bob. Taint and you are super hypocrites. You denounce the GOP for their moral beliefs but support Islam. You can both jump in the lake on that issue. They flew the damn flag of Terror Palestine at the DNC and you think thats OK. NEVER OK.

I don't support Islam. I don't hate Islam either. I try not to use blanket words to describe everyone in a group. Some people in Islam are bad, and some are good. Most Islamic countries are bad.

I don't support them flying the flag of Palestine but I won't be enraged over it either.

Thats because you are a moron. MOST? Name one that is "good".

If you don't condemn the action you support it. Period.

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Posted by strikeout26 on 3/18/2018 8:54:00 PM (view original):
Where does the $30B come from?

P.S. I'm not arguing that school funding shouldn't be equal. I want you to be able to defend your solutions. I'm playing devil's advocate with this one.

Well, first off, the plan will eventually pay for itself (I can cite experts on that). Second off we can eliminate wasteful spending in DOJ and wasteful defense spending. And if that isn't enough there is always that top 1% tax increase.

I don't buy the "it will pay for itself argument". I don't like it with Trump's tax plan and I don't like it with this. I'll agree that the federal government has plenty of waist and that money could be reallocated.

Stop punishing people for being successful. You acted like I was stupid when I said, "how far can you tax people", but that is always your solution. Once again, where does it stop, 99% of their income?

Sanders is a moron. He whines that 1% of the population has 90% of the income. Worry about yourself. Don't worry about Bill Gates.