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Posted by strikeout26 on 3/18/2018 6:41:00 PM (view original):
Also, it's a fact that more minorities are in poverty, but the struggles they face see no race. I live in a town that is 80% white. It's dirt poor. The same mistakes that keep the cycle going are made here that are made in Lithonia, Ga which is 80% black/Hispanic which leads me to believe that CCCP is correct in that poverty is not a race issue.

I don't see more black people being in poverty as a coincidence. The deep history of racism in this country puts them at a DISADVANTAGE.

It's not a coincidence. Racism put them their, yes. I personally feel the playing field is now even as far as opportunity. Racist policies created a culture that has kept them in poverty. This happened in the past. You can't control the past. Are you going to start winning or are you going to blame the past, which is out of your control and accept failure? It's all about personal choice. Learn to believe in it. Blaming the past is making excuses.

Is it? Really? So in the example I used earlier, it is 'complaining' me to point out that the kids who are behind have a disadvantage? Like I get your point, but it is truly a pointless conversation-ender.

See my post to Dino. The last paragraph of it.

Posted by tangplay on 3/18/2018 7:43:00 PM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 3/18/2018 7:10:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 3/18/2018 7:06:00 PM (view original):

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Posted by tangplay on 3/18/2018 6:59:00 PM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 3/18/2018 6:38:00 PM (view original):
There's an old adage in baseball that says "worry about the things you can control."

People in poverty can only control their personal situation. If people blame factors that are out of their control, they will never succeed.

Things they can control:

1. Education
2. Not having kids out of wedlock
3. Money management (I lived on $2,000/month with a wife and newborn baby, it sucked but it's possible. We did not take any government assistance. We lived extremely tight and all the bills were paid)

Like I said, people in poverty can say, I'm at a disadvantage and give up or they can fight. Are you a winner or loser?

Yes, people can control that, especially #2, is the main one. All I am saying is that people in poverty, specifically black people, are at a disadvantage. Not that they are completely screwed. People in poverty have worse educations and probably have no way of learning good money management if they have no connections, which many don't.

No one is saying to give up.

Have you ever worked in an inner-city school?

No, but I have gone to school in one.

That's what I thought. I have. You don't know as much about the situation as you claim. The kids have every opportunity to succeed from within the school. The ones who do succeed have attentive parents. That's the key. It has nothing to do with a lack of opportunity at a school.

Attentive parents are one part (Which the poor tend not to have) but so does school funding. I had classes in a shed, had textbooks that were written all over and had pages missing, and a teacher left in the middle of my sixth grade year meaning that we had to cram classes full of kids. Did that not affect my education?

It's very simple. Kids with attentive parents succeed and kids without typically fail. Don't make it harder than it is. You are an example of this. You had attentive parents in this inner-city school and did just find despite the lack of funding.

Just like with affordable housing, do you have a solution of how to equalize funding? The funding disparities come from differences in property values. They are due to disparities in local taxes. It's not like the federal government is saying "let's give white schools x and black schools less than x."

Yeah, your Newsweek article doesn't change my mind about voter ID laws. It's foolish to allow someone to vote without proof that they are who they say they are.

Posted by strikeout26 on 3/18/2018 6:16:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 3/18/2018 6:01:00 PM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 3/18/2018 5:39:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 3/18/2018 2:12:00 PM (view original):
https://youtu.be/1z1D2_KWCbU

Strikeout: Stop making excuses. The kids in the back have just as good a chance as the kids in front.

CCCP: It is a culture issue. The kids in the back just need to work hard to succeed. Also there are some white people in back and blacks in front-NOT race. Keep America Great!

Tang, you are becoming a lost cause. You will never help The indigent because you will constantly make excuses for them instead of being proactive and finding solutions. Until you grow up and stop making excuses, you might as well give up on your causes because you only make the situation worse. A true winner faces adversity with solutions. A loser blames everyone else. If you really want to make a difference, read "7 habits of highly effective people." It will change your whole outlook and you will finally start doing something productive instead of ******** all the time. GROW UP, man. You're not a kid anymore. Life comes with challenges. How will you respond?

Would you agree that there is a difference between making excuses and saying that some people have an advantage? I already listed out some solutions, but we must agree on simple facts and the fact that we NEED change to come up with solutions.

Let's say the situation in the video is true to life. Let's say the kids in the back lose, even though they try as best they can. Would you say that those kids are 'losers' and that everyone who states that those kids are at a disadvantage are making excuses for them? It makes more sense to say that those kids are at a disadvantage, so we should help them find solutions to have a fair fight.

I will look into your book, but to the accusation that I am not productive and doing things, well, you are incorrect. Just today I helped out with a poverty simulation to spread awareness, and my father and I have helped hundreds of people get out of poverty through the organization we work with. Here are some other things the government can do:
1. Equalize school funding.
2. Invest in local poverty solutions.
3. Reduce the effect of redlining by desegregating schools, making housing affordable, and opening up communities.
4. Better police accountability by requiring body cameras, and unbiased judicial system.
5. Better and more public defenders.
6. Don't criminalize drugs as much/target black neighborhoods.
7. Break the school to prison pipeline?
8. Prison system reform encouraging rehabilitation, ESPECIALLY for drug offenses.
9. Stop voter ID laws.

STOP relying on the government. The government hasn't done a thing to help with poverty. You need to be proactive. Don't give me a list of what the government should do. Give me a list of what Tang can do.

But, just for kicks and giggles, lets go through your list.

1. You can equalize funding, but funding isn't the problem. I've already showed you that even in poor schools, the students are still provided for.
2. It's not the governments job to invest in poverty solutions. That should come from the private sector. It's the governments job to have enough funds to run a government.
3. How do you make housing affordable? More subsidies? More handouts? The housing market is what it is. Sometimes it's expensive and sometimes prices are low.
4 - 7. Skipping this for now. More blacks are prosecuted. That's a fact. I don't know if it's because they commit more crimes or because they are unfairly targeted. I don't have enough knowledge of this and neither do you.
8. I'm okay with that.
9. This is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. You should have to prove you are who you say you are when vote. It's not hard to go to the DMV and get an ID.

For African Americans # of arrests mirrors # of crimes committed. Tangplay is an idiot. You MUST show ID to vote. That is so dumb,

Posted by tangplay on 3/18/2018 6:22:00 PM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 3/18/2018 6:16:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 3/18/2018 6:01:00 PM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 3/18/2018 5:39:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 3/18/2018 2:12:00 PM (view original):
https://youtu.be/1z1D2_KWCbU

Strikeout: Stop making excuses. The kids in the back have just as good a chance as the kids in front.

CCCP: It is a culture issue. The kids in the back just need to work hard to succeed. Also there are some white people in back and blacks in front-NOT race. Keep America Great!

Tang, you are becoming a lost cause. You will never help The indigent because you will constantly make excuses for them instead of being proactive and finding solutions. Until you grow up and stop making excuses, you might as well give up on your causes because you only make the situation worse. A true winner faces adversity with solutions. A loser blames everyone else. If you really want to make a difference, read "7 habits of highly effective people." It will change your whole outlook and you will finally start doing something productive instead of ******** all the time. GROW UP, man. You're not a kid anymore. Life comes with challenges. How will you respond?

Would you agree that there is a difference between making excuses and saying that some people have an advantage? I already listed out some solutions, but we must agree on simple facts and the fact that we NEED change to come up with solutions.

Let's say the situation in the video is true to life. Let's say the kids in the back lose, even though they try as best they can. Would you say that those kids are 'losers' and that everyone who states that those kids are at a disadvantage are making excuses for them? It makes more sense to say that those kids are at a disadvantage, so we should help them find solutions to have a fair fight.

I will look into your book, but to the accusation that I am not productive and doing things, well, you are incorrect. Just today I helped out with a poverty simulation to spread awareness, and my father and I have helped hundreds of people get out of poverty through the organization we work with. Here are some other things the government can do:
1. Equalize school funding.
2. Invest in local poverty solutions.
3. Reduce the effect of redlining by desegregating schools, making housing affordable, and opening up communities.
4. Better police accountability by requiring body cameras, and unbiased judicial system.
5. Better and more public defenders.
6. Don't criminalize drugs as much/target black neighborhoods.
7. Break the school to prison pipeline?
8. Prison system reform encouraging rehabilitation, ESPECIALLY for drug offenses.
9. Stop voter ID laws.

STOP relying on the government. The government hasn't done a thing to help with poverty. You need to be proactive. Don't give me a list of what the government should do. Give me a list of what Tang can do.

But, just for kicks and giggles, lets go through your list.

1. You can equalize funding, but funding isn't the problem. I've already showed you that even in poor schools, the students are still provided for.
2. It's not the governments job to invest in poverty solutions. That should come from the private sector. It's the governments job to have enough funds to run a government.
3. How do you make housing affordable? More subsidies? More handouts? The housing market is what it is. Sometimes it's expensive and sometimes prices are low.
4 - 7. Skipping this for now. More blacks are prosecuted. That's a fact. I don't know if it's because they commit more crimes or because they are unfairly targeted. I don't have enough knowledge of this and neither do you.
8. I'm okay with that.
9. This is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. You should have to prove you are who you say you are when vote. It's not hard to go to the DMV and get an ID.

I already said what I am doing, but OK. I think that something like this is what the government should be doing, but whatever.

1. I disagree, because resources make a difference.
2. The government needs to provide funds to make it work on a national level.
3. I am not 100% sure, again this list is just shooting ideas at a wall. I would not be the expert.
4-7. I cited a study that showed that black people were more likely to be charged unfairly but nothing conclusive.
8. Great.
9. Voter ID has no point and is discriminatory against black people. It basically never actually does its job.

#9 proves that tangplay is an idiot and someone with white guilt.

Posted by tangplay on 3/18/2018 2:58:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 3/18/2018 2:47:00 PM (view original):
All the so called Liberal Democrats who post here are F*CKING hypocrites. Sorry but you are.

When have Taint, Bob, or I been hypocritical?

I exclude Bob. Taint and you are super hypocrites. You denounce the GOP for their moral beliefs but support Islam. You can both jump in the lake on that issue. They flew the damn flag of Terror Palestine at the DNC and you think thats OK. NEVER OK.

Posted by strikeout26 on 3/18/2018 7:54:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 3/18/2018 7:41:00 PM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 3/18/2018 7:07:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 3/18/2018 7:01:00 PM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 3/18/2018 6:41:00 PM (view original):
Also, it's a fact that more minorities are in poverty, but the struggles they face see no race. I live in a town that is 80% white. It's dirt poor. The same mistakes that keep the cycle going are made here that are made in Lithonia, Ga which is 80% black/Hispanic which leads me to believe that CCCP is correct in that poverty is not a race issue.

I don't see more black people being in poverty as a coincidence. The deep history of racism in this country puts them at a DISADVANTAGE.

It's not a coincidence. Racism put them their, yes. I personally feel the playing field is now even as far as opportunity. Racist policies created a culture that has kept them in poverty. This happened in the past. You can't control the past. Are you going to start winning or are you going to blame the past, which is out of your control and accept failure? It's all about personal choice. Learn to believe in it. Blaming the past is making excuses.

Is it? Really? So in the example I used earlier, it is 'complaining' me to point out that the kids who are behind have a disadvantage? Like I get your point, but it is truly a pointless conversation-ender.

See my post to Dino. The last paragraph of it.

I don't believe in luck either. It sure wasn't a lucky break for black people that they were used as property for hundreds of years.

Posted by strikeout26 on 3/18/2018 8:00:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 3/18/2018 7:43:00 PM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 3/18/2018 7:10:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 3/18/2018 7:06:00 PM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 3/18/2018 7:04:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 3/18/2018 6:59:00 PM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 3/18/2018 6:38:00 PM (view original):
There's an old adage in baseball that says "worry about the things you can control."

People in poverty can only control their personal situation. If people blame factors that are out of their control, they will never succeed.

Things they can control:

1. Education
2. Not having kids out of wedlock
3. Money management (I lived on $2,000/month with a wife and newborn baby, it sucked but it's possible. We did not take any government assistance. We lived extremely tight and all the bills were paid)

Like I said, people in poverty can say, I'm at a disadvantage and give up or they can fight. Are you a winner or loser?

Yes, people can control that, especially #2, is the main one. All I am saying is that people in poverty, specifically black people, are at a disadvantage. Not that they are completely screwed. People in poverty have worse educations and probably have no way of learning good money management if they have no connections, which many don't.

No one is saying to give up.

Have you ever worked in an inner-city school?

No, but I have gone to school in one.

That's what I thought. I have. You don't know as much about the situation as you claim. The kids have every opportunity to succeed from within the school. The ones who do succeed have attentive parents. That's the key. It has nothing to do with a lack of opportunity at a school.

Attentive parents are one part (Which the poor tend not to have) but so does school funding. I had classes in a shed, had textbooks that were written all over and had pages missing, and a teacher left in the middle of my sixth grade year meaning that we had to cram classes full of kids. Did that not affect my education?

It's very simple. Kids with attentive parents succeed and kids without typically fail. Don't make it harder than it is. You are an example of this. You had attentive parents in this inner-city school and did just find despite the lack of funding.

Just like with affordable housing, do you have a solution of how to equalize funding? The funding disparities come from differences in property values. They are due to disparities in local taxes. It's not like the federal government is saying "let's give white schools x and black schools less than x."

DISPARITIES IN LOCAL TAXES! Great. Nailed it. Now tell me why black people live in less wealthy houses. I will give you a hint. Starts with 'red' and ends with 'lining'.

https://www2.ed.gov/about/bdscomm/list/eec/equity-excellence-commission-report.pdf

Posted by strikeout26 on 3/18/2018 8:20:00 PM (view original):
Yeah, your Newsweek article doesn't change my mind about voter ID laws. It's foolish to allow someone to vote without proof that they are who they say they are.

But it never happens. You still haven't responded to that.

Posted by cccp1014 on 3/18/2018 8:22:00 PM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 3/18/2018 6:16:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 3/18/2018 6:01:00 PM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 3/18/2018 5:39:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 3/18/2018 2:12:00 PM (view original):
https://youtu.be/1z1D2_KWCbU

Strikeout: Stop making excuses. The kids in the back have just as good a chance as the kids in front.

CCCP: It is a culture issue. The kids in the back just need to work hard to succeed. Also there are some white people in back and blacks in front-NOT race. Keep America Great!

Tang, you are becoming a lost cause. You will never help The indigent because you will constantly make excuses for them instead of being proactive and finding solutions. Until you grow up and stop making excuses, you might as well give up on your causes because you only make the situation worse. A true winner faces adversity with solutions. A loser blames everyone else. If you really want to make a difference, read "7 habits of highly effective people." It will change your whole outlook and you will finally start doing something productive instead of ******** all the time. GROW UP, man. You're not a kid anymore. Life comes with challenges. How will you respond?

Would you agree that there is a difference between making excuses and saying that some people have an advantage? I already listed out some solutions, but we must agree on simple facts and the fact that we NEED change to come up with solutions.

Let's say the situation in the video is true to life. Let's say the kids in the back lose, even though they try as best they can. Would you say that those kids are 'losers' and that everyone who states that those kids are at a disadvantage are making excuses for them? It makes more sense to say that those kids are at a disadvantage, so we should help them find solutions to have a fair fight.

I will look into your book, but to the accusation that I am not productive and doing things, well, you are incorrect. Just today I helped out with a poverty simulation to spread awareness, and my father and I have helped hundreds of people get out of poverty through the organization we work with. Here are some other things the government can do:
1. Equalize school funding.
2. Invest in local poverty solutions.
3. Reduce the effect of redlining by desegregating schools, making housing affordable, and opening up communities.
4. Better police accountability by requiring body cameras, and unbiased judicial system.
5. Better and more public defenders.
6. Don't criminalize drugs as much/target black neighborhoods.
7. Break the school to prison pipeline?
8. Prison system reform encouraging rehabilitation, ESPECIALLY for drug offenses.
9. Stop voter ID laws.

STOP relying on the government. The government hasn't done a thing to help with poverty. You need to be proactive. Don't give me a list of what the government should do. Give me a list of what Tang can do.

But, just for kicks and giggles, lets go through your list.

1. You can equalize funding, but funding isn't the problem. I've already showed you that even in poor schools, the students are still provided for.
2. It's not the governments job to invest in poverty solutions. That should come from the private sector. It's the governments job to have enough funds to run a government.
3. How do you make housing affordable? More subsidies? More handouts? The housing market is what it is. Sometimes it's expensive and sometimes prices are low.
4 - 7. Skipping this for now. More blacks are prosecuted. That's a fact. I don't know if it's because they commit more crimes or because they are unfairly targeted. I don't have enough knowledge of this and neither do you.
8. I'm okay with that.
9. This is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. You should have to prove you are who you say you are when vote. It's not hard to go to the DMV and get an ID.

For African Americans # of arrests mirrors # of crimes committed. Tangplay is an idiot. You MUST show ID to vote. That is so dumb,

No, it doesn't. I have already proven this NUMEROUS times.

And Voter ID does nothing, except discriminate.

Posted by cccp1014 on 3/18/2018 8:23:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 3/18/2018 6:22:00 PM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 3/18/2018 6:16:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 3/18/2018 6:01:00 PM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 3/18/2018 5:39:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 3/18/2018 2:12:00 PM (view original):
https://youtu.be/1z1D2_KWCbU

Strikeout: Stop making excuses. The kids in the back have just as good a chance as the kids in front.

CCCP: It is a culture issue. The kids in the back just need to work hard to succeed. Also there are some white people in back and blacks in front-NOT race. Keep America Great!

Tang, you are becoming a lost cause. You will never help The indigent because you will constantly make excuses for them instead of being proactive and finding solutions. Until you grow up and stop making excuses, you might as well give up on your causes because you only make the situation worse. A true winner faces adversity with solutions. A loser blames everyone else. If you really want to make a difference, read "7 habits of highly effective people." It will change your whole outlook and you will finally start doing something productive instead of ******** all the time. GROW UP, man. You're not a kid anymore. Life comes with challenges. How will you respond?

Would you agree that there is a difference between making excuses and saying that some people have an advantage? I already listed out some solutions, but we must agree on simple facts and the fact that we NEED change to come up with solutions.

Let's say the situation in the video is true to life. Let's say the kids in the back lose, even though they try as best they can. Would you say that those kids are 'losers' and that everyone who states that those kids are at a disadvantage are making excuses for them? It makes more sense to say that those kids are at a disadvantage, so we should help them find solutions to have a fair fight.

I will look into your book, but to the accusation that I am not productive and doing things, well, you are incorrect. Just today I helped out with a poverty simulation to spread awareness, and my father and I have helped hundreds of people get out of poverty through the organization we work with. Here are some other things the government can do:
1. Equalize school funding.
2. Invest in local poverty solutions.
3. Reduce the effect of redlining by desegregating schools, making housing affordable, and opening up communities.
4. Better police accountability by requiring body cameras, and unbiased judicial system.
5. Better and more public defenders.
6. Don't criminalize drugs as much/target black neighborhoods.
7. Break the school to prison pipeline?
8. Prison system reform encouraging rehabilitation, ESPECIALLY for drug offenses.
9. Stop voter ID laws.

STOP relying on the government. The government hasn't done a thing to help with poverty. You need to be proactive. Don't give me a list of what the government should do. Give me a list of what Tang can do.

But, just for kicks and giggles, lets go through your list.

1. You can equalize funding, but funding isn't the problem. I've already showed you that even in poor schools, the students are still provided for.
2. It's not the governments job to invest in poverty solutions. That should come from the private sector. It's the governments job to have enough funds to run a government.
3. How do you make housing affordable? More subsidies? More handouts? The housing market is what it is. Sometimes it's expensive and sometimes prices are low.
4 - 7. Skipping this for now. More blacks are prosecuted. That's a fact. I don't know if it's because they commit more crimes or because they are unfairly targeted. I don't have enough knowledge of this and neither do you.
8. I'm okay with that.
9. This is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. You should have to prove you are who you say you are when vote. It's not hard to go to the DMV and get an ID.

I already said what I am doing, but OK. I think that something like this is what the government should be doing, but whatever.

1. I disagree, because resources make a difference.
2. The government needs to provide funds to make it work on a national level.
3. I am not 100% sure, again this list is just shooting ideas at a wall. I would not be the expert.
4-7. I cited a study that showed that black people were more likely to be charged unfairly but nothing conclusive.
8. Great.
9. Voter ID has no point and is discriminatory against black people. It basically never actually does its job.

#9 proves that tangplay is an idiot and someone with white guilt.

How? How is that white guilt? We have established that voter ID doesn't do anything to help people, and is discriminatory against minorities.

Posted by tangplay on 3/18/2018 8:38:00 PM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 3/18/2018 7:54:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 3/18/2018 7:41:00 PM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 3/18/2018 7:07:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 3/18/2018 7:01:00 PM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 3/18/2018 6:41:00 PM (view original):
Also, it's a fact that more minorities are in poverty, but the struggles they face see no race. I live in a town that is 80% white. It's dirt poor. The same mistakes that keep the cycle going are made here that are made in Lithonia, Ga which is 80% black/Hispanic which leads me to believe that CCCP is correct in that poverty is not a race issue.

I don't see more black people being in poverty as a coincidence. The deep history of racism in this country puts them at a DISADVANTAGE.

It's not a coincidence. Racism put them their, yes. I personally feel the playing field is now even as far as opportunity. Racist policies created a culture that has kept them in poverty. This happened in the past. You can't control the past. Are you going to start winning or are you going to blame the past, which is out of your control and accept failure? It's all about personal choice. Learn to believe in it. Blaming the past is making excuses.

Is it? Really? So in the example I used earlier, it is 'complaining' me to point out that the kids who are behind have a disadvantage? Like I get your point, but it is truly a pointless conversation-ender.

See my post to Dino. The last paragraph of it.

I don't believe in luck either. It sure wasn't a lucky break for black people that they were used as property for hundreds of years.

I covered that. Obviously, calling it "unfortunate" is a great understatement, but my post still applies. Are you going to let something that ended in 1865 effect you in 2018?

"I believe some people run into unfortunate situations that are out of their control. You find out alot about one's character by how they respond when these events happen. Are you going to give in or are you going to figure out how to persevere?"

Posted by cccp1014 on 3/18/2018 8:26:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 3/18/2018 2:58:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 3/18/2018 2:47:00 PM (view original):
All the so called Liberal Democrats who post here are F*CKING hypocrites. Sorry but you are.

When have Taint, Bob, or I been hypocritical?

I exclude Bob. Taint and you are super hypocrites. You denounce the GOP for their moral beliefs but support Islam. You can both jump in the lake on that issue. They flew the damn flag of Terror Palestine at the DNC and you think thats OK. NEVER OK.

I don't support Islam. I don't hate Islam either. I try not to use blanket words to describe everyone in a group. Some people in Islam are bad, and some are good. Most Islamic countries are bad.

I don't support them flying the flag of Palestine but I won't be enraged over it either.

Posted by tangplay on 3/18/2018 8:40:00 PM (view original):

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Posted by tangplay on 3/18/2018 6:59:00 PM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 3/18/2018 6:38:00 PM (view original):
There's an old adage in baseball that says "worry about the things you can control."

People in poverty can only control their personal situation. If people blame factors that are out of their control, they will never succeed.

Things they can control:

1. Education
2. Not having kids out of wedlock
3. Money management (I lived on $2,000/month with a wife and newborn baby, it sucked but it's possible. We did not take any government assistance. We lived extremely tight and all the bills were paid)

Like I said, people in poverty can say, I'm at a disadvantage and give up or they can fight. Are you a winner or loser?

Yes, people can control that, especially #2, is the main one. All I am saying is that people in poverty, specifically black people, are at a disadvantage. Not that they are completely screwed. People in poverty have worse educations and probably have no way of learning good money management if they have no connections, which many don't.

No one is saying to give up.

Have you ever worked in an inner-city school?

No, but I have gone to school in one.

That's what I thought. I have. You don't know as much about the situation as you claim. The kids have every opportunity to succeed from within the school. The ones who do succeed have attentive parents. That's the key. It has nothing to do with a lack of opportunity at a school.

Attentive parents are one part (Which the poor tend not to have) but so does school funding. I had classes in a shed, had textbooks that were written all over and had pages missing, and a teacher left in the middle of my sixth grade year meaning that we had to cram classes full of kids. Did that not affect my education?

It's very simple. Kids with attentive parents succeed and kids without typically fail. Don't make it harder than it is. You are an example of this. You had attentive parents in this inner-city school and did just find despite the lack of funding.

Just like with affordable housing, do you have a solution of how to equalize funding? The funding disparities come from differences in property values. They are due to disparities in local taxes. It's not like the federal government is saying "let's give white schools x and black schools less than x."

DISPARITIES IN LOCAL TAXES! Great. Nailed it. Now tell me why black people live in less wealthy houses. I will give you a hint. Starts with 'red' and ends with 'lining'.

https://www2.ed.gov/about/bdscomm/list/eec/equity-excellence-commission-report.pdf

Give me the bullet points. I'm not reading 52 pages.

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Also, it's a fact that more minorities are in poverty, but the struggles they face see no race. I live in a town that is 80% white. It's dirt poor. The same mistakes that keep the cycle going are made here that are made in Lithonia, Ga which is 80% black/Hispanic which leads me to believe that CCCP is correct in that poverty is not a race issue.

I don't see more black people being in poverty as a coincidence. The deep history of racism in this country puts them at a DISADVANTAGE.

It's not a coincidence. Racism put them their, yes. I personally feel the playing field is now even as far as opportunity. Racist policies created a culture that has kept them in poverty. This happened in the past. You can't control the past. Are you going to start winning or are you going to blame the past, which is out of your control and accept failure? It's all about personal choice. Learn to believe in it. Blaming the past is making excuses.

Is it? Really? So in the example I used earlier, it is 'complaining' me to point out that the kids who are behind have a disadvantage? Like I get your point, but it is truly a pointless conversation-ender.

See my post to Dino. The last paragraph of it.

I don't believe in luck either. It sure wasn't a lucky break for black people that they were used as property for hundreds of years.

I covered that. Obviously, calling it "unfortunate" is a great understatement, but my post still applies. Are you going to let something that ended in 1865 effect you in 2018?

"I believe some people run into unfortunate situations that are out of their control. You find out alot about one's character by how they respond when these events happen. Are you going to give in or are you going to figure out how to persevere?"

Yes, because it still affects everyone. Would you like to tell that to people who wave the confederate flag?

Obviously black people have responded pretty well, considering that a lot of them managed to get out of poverty, against the odds. Again, my point is that there is a disparity. You keep talking about perseverance, which is pretty irrelevant.