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Posted by strikeout26 on 3/18/2018 6:30:00 PM (view original):
Echoing Dino, yes, thanks for your service and compassion. I will still bust your balls for excuse making all day long because it's counterproductive. I want to see you succeed.

I don't see it as excuse making. I am trying to make a difference but we need to understand what is holding people back first.

Posted by strikeout26 on 3/18/2018 6:38:00 PM (view original):
There's an old adage in baseball that says "worry about the things you can control."

People in poverty can only control their personal situation. If people blame factors that are out of their control, they will never succeed.

Things they can control:

1. Education
2. Not having kids out of wedlock
3. Money management (I lived on $2,000/month with a wife and newborn baby, it sucked but it's possible. We did not take any government assistance. We lived extremely tight and all the bills were paid)

Like I said, people in poverty can say, I'm at a disadvantage and give up or they can fight. Are you a winner or loser?

Yes, people can control that, especially #2, is the main one. All I am saying is that people in poverty, specifically black people, are at a disadvantage. Not that they are completely screwed. People in poverty have worse educations and probably have no way of learning good money management if they have no connections, which many don't.

No one is saying to give up.

Posted by strikeout26 on 3/18/2018 6:41:00 PM (view original):
Also, it's a fact that more minorities are in poverty, but the struggles they face see no race. I live in a town that is 80% white. It's dirt poor. The same mistakes that keep the cycle going are made here that are made in Lithonia, Ga which is 80% black/Hispanic which leads me to believe that CCCP is correct in that poverty is not a race issue.

I don't see more black people being in poverty as a coincidence. The deep history of racism in this country puts them at a DISADVANTAGE.

Posted by tangplay on 3/18/2018 6:56:00 PM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 3/18/2018 6:28:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 3/18/2018 6:22:00 PM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 3/18/2018 6:16:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 3/18/2018 6:01:00 PM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 3/18/2018 5:39:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 3/18/2018 2:12:00 PM (view original):
https://youtu.be/1z1D2_KWCbU

Strikeout: Stop making excuses. The kids in the back have just as good a chance as the kids in front.

CCCP: It is a culture issue. The kids in the back just need to work hard to succeed. Also there are some white people in back and blacks in front-NOT race. Keep America Great!

Tang, you are becoming a lost cause. You will never help The indigent because you will constantly make excuses for them instead of being proactive and finding solutions. Until you grow up and stop making excuses, you might as well give up on your causes because you only make the situation worse. A true winner faces adversity with solutions. A loser blames everyone else. If you really want to make a difference, read "7 habits of highly effective people." It will change your whole outlook and you will finally start doing something productive instead of ******** all the time. GROW UP, man. You're not a kid anymore. Life comes with challenges. How will you respond?

Would you agree that there is a difference between making excuses and saying that some people have an advantage? I already listed out some solutions, but we must agree on simple facts and the fact that we NEED change to come up with solutions.

Let's say the situation in the video is true to life. Let's say the kids in the back lose, even though they try as best they can. Would you say that those kids are 'losers' and that everyone who states that those kids are at a disadvantage are making excuses for them? It makes more sense to say that those kids are at a disadvantage, so we should help them find solutions to have a fair fight.

I will look into your book, but to the accusation that I am not productive and doing things, well, you are incorrect. Just today I helped out with a poverty simulation to spread awareness, and my father and I have helped hundreds of people get out of poverty through the organization we work with. Here are some other things the government can do:
1. Equalize school funding.
2. Invest in local poverty solutions.
3. Reduce the effect of redlining by desegregating schools, making housing affordable, and opening up communities.
4. Better police accountability by requiring body cameras, and unbiased judicial system.
5. Better and more public defenders.
6. Don't criminalize drugs as much/target black neighborhoods.
7. Break the school to prison pipeline?
8. Prison system reform encouraging rehabilitation, ESPECIALLY for drug offenses.
9. Stop voter ID laws.

STOP relying on the government. The government hasn't done a thing to help with poverty. You need to be proactive. Don't give me a list of what the government should do. Give me a list of what Tang can do.

But, just for kicks and giggles, lets go through your list.

1. You can equalize funding, but funding isn't the problem. I've already showed you that even in poor schools, the students are still provided for.
2. It's not the governments job to invest in poverty solutions. That should come from the private sector. It's the governments job to have enough funds to run a government.
3. How do you make housing affordable? More subsidies? More handouts? The housing market is what it is. Sometimes it's expensive and sometimes prices are low.
4 - 7. Skipping this for now. More blacks are prosecuted. That's a fact. I don't know if it's because they commit more crimes or because they are unfairly targeted. I don't have enough knowledge of this and neither do you.
8. I'm okay with that.
9. This is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. You should have to prove you are who you say you are when vote. It's not hard to go to the DMV and get an ID.

I already said what I am doing, but OK. I think that something like this is what the government should be doing, but whatever.

1. I disagree, because resources make a difference.
2. The government needs to provide funds to make it work on a national level.
3. I am not 100% sure, again this list is just shooting ideas at a wall. I would not be the expert.
4-7. I cited a study that showed that black people were more likely to be charged unfairly but nothing conclusive.
8. Great.
9. Voter ID has no point and is discriminatory against black people. It basically never actually does its job.

2. Where do these funds come from? $19 Trillion in debt. Where do these funds come from?
4-7. You did and they supported your claim. If they are accurate, it needs to be fixed. Neither of us truly know if they're reliable.
8. Without voter ID, how do you propose the correct person is voting? How is it discriminatory? Are blacks not allowed in the DMV in Kansas?

2. Drop in the bucket. We can also raise the top 1%'s taxes slightly.
4-7. http://www.law.umich.edu/special/exoneration/Documents/Race_and_Wrongful_Convictions.pdf
9. Voter ID has caught about 7 cases of actual fraud. 25% of black people cannot acquire voter ID for some reason or another.

2. The solution from the left is always to raise taxes. Where does this end? When 99% of their income is going to the government?
9. Show me your data that shows that 25% of blacks CANT ID's.

Posted by strikeout26 on 3/18/2018 6:52:00 PM (view original):
So, what is your solution in place of voter ID laws? Are you okay with just showing up at the ballot box, saying "I'm Joe Smith" and then voting with no proof that you're really Joe Smith?

Nope. Fortunately that almost never happens.

Posted by tangplay on 3/18/2018 6:59:00 PM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 3/18/2018 6:38:00 PM (view original):
There's an old adage in baseball that says "worry about the things you can control."

People in poverty can only control their personal situation. If people blame factors that are out of their control, they will never succeed.

Things they can control:

1. Education
2. Not having kids out of wedlock
3. Money management (I lived on $2,000/month with a wife and newborn baby, it sucked but it's possible. We did not take any government assistance. We lived extremely tight and all the bills were paid)

Like I said, people in poverty can say, I'm at a disadvantage and give up or they can fight. Are you a winner or loser?

Yes, people can control that, especially #2, is the main one. All I am saying is that people in poverty, specifically black people, are at a disadvantage. Not that they are completely screwed. People in poverty have worse educations and probably have no way of learning good money management if they have no connections, which many don't.

No one is saying to give up.

Have you ever worked in an inner-city school?

Posted by strikeout26 on 3/18/2018 7:01:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 3/18/2018 6:56:00 PM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 3/18/2018 6:28:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 3/18/2018 6:22:00 PM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 3/18/2018 6:16:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 3/18/2018 6:01:00 PM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 3/18/2018 5:39:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 3/18/2018 2:12:00 PM (view original):
https://youtu.be/1z1D2_KWCbU

Strikeout: Stop making excuses. The kids in the back have just as good a chance as the kids in front.

CCCP: It is a culture issue. The kids in the back just need to work hard to succeed. Also there are some white people in back and blacks in front-NOT race. Keep America Great!

Tang, you are becoming a lost cause. You will never help The indigent because you will constantly make excuses for them instead of being proactive and finding solutions. Until you grow up and stop making excuses, you might as well give up on your causes because you only make the situation worse. A true winner faces adversity with solutions. A loser blames everyone else. If you really want to make a difference, read "7 habits of highly effective people." It will change your whole outlook and you will finally start doing something productive instead of ******** all the time. GROW UP, man. You're not a kid anymore. Life comes with challenges. How will you respond?

Would you agree that there is a difference between making excuses and saying that some people have an advantage? I already listed out some solutions, but we must agree on simple facts and the fact that we NEED change to come up with solutions.

Let's say the situation in the video is true to life. Let's say the kids in the back lose, even though they try as best they can. Would you say that those kids are 'losers' and that everyone who states that those kids are at a disadvantage are making excuses for them? It makes more sense to say that those kids are at a disadvantage, so we should help them find solutions to have a fair fight.

I will look into your book, but to the accusation that I am not productive and doing things, well, you are incorrect. Just today I helped out with a poverty simulation to spread awareness, and my father and I have helped hundreds of people get out of poverty through the organization we work with. Here are some other things the government can do:
1. Equalize school funding.
2. Invest in local poverty solutions.
3. Reduce the effect of redlining by desegregating schools, making housing affordable, and opening up communities.
4. Better police accountability by requiring body cameras, and unbiased judicial system.
5. Better and more public defenders.
6. Don't criminalize drugs as much/target black neighborhoods.
7. Break the school to prison pipeline?
8. Prison system reform encouraging rehabilitation, ESPECIALLY for drug offenses.
9. Stop voter ID laws.

STOP relying on the government. The government hasn't done a thing to help with poverty. You need to be proactive. Don't give me a list of what the government should do. Give me a list of what Tang can do.

But, just for kicks and giggles, lets go through your list.

1. You can equalize funding, but funding isn't the problem. I've already showed you that even in poor schools, the students are still provided for.
2. It's not the governments job to invest in poverty solutions. That should come from the private sector. It's the governments job to have enough funds to run a government.
3. How do you make housing affordable? More subsidies? More handouts? The housing market is what it is. Sometimes it's expensive and sometimes prices are low.
4 - 7. Skipping this for now. More blacks are prosecuted. That's a fact. I don't know if it's because they commit more crimes or because they are unfairly targeted. I don't have enough knowledge of this and neither do you.
8. I'm okay with that.
9. This is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. You should have to prove you are who you say you are when vote. It's not hard to go to the DMV and get an ID.

I already said what I am doing, but OK. I think that something like this is what the government should be doing, but whatever.

1. I disagree, because resources make a difference.
2. The government needs to provide funds to make it work on a national level.
3. I am not 100% sure, again this list is just shooting ideas at a wall. I would not be the expert.
4-7. I cited a study that showed that black people were more likely to be charged unfairly but nothing conclusive.
8. Great.
9. Voter ID has no point and is discriminatory against black people. It basically never actually does its job.

2. Where do these funds come from? $19 Trillion in debt. Where do these funds come from?
4-7. You did and they supported your claim. If they are accurate, it needs to be fixed. Neither of us truly know if they're reliable.
8. Without voter ID, how do you propose the correct person is voting? How is it discriminatory? Are blacks not allowed in the DMV in Kansas?

2. Drop in the bucket. We can also raise the top 1%'s taxes slightly.
4-7. http://www.law.umich.edu/special/exoneration/Documents/Race_and_Wrongful_Convictions.pdf
9. Voter ID has caught about 7 cases of actual fraud. 25% of black people cannot acquire voter ID for some reason or another.

2. The solution from the left is always to raise taxes. Where does this end? When 99% of their income is going to the government?
9. Show me your data that shows that 25% of blacks CANT ID's.

2. A bit of hyperbole. Actually a lot. Just raising it slightly can raise enough money for all of this, and more. Meanwhile the right thinks that cutting funding for PBS will save us. 1 million dollars is quite a lot.
9. http://www.newsweek.com/voter-id-laws-texas-minority-voters-strict-states-582405

Posted by strikeout26 on 3/18/2018 7:04:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 3/18/2018 6:59:00 PM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 3/18/2018 6:38:00 PM (view original):
There's an old adage in baseball that says "worry about the things you can control."

People in poverty can only control their personal situation. If people blame factors that are out of their control, they will never succeed.

Things they can control:

1. Education
2. Not having kids out of wedlock
3. Money management (I lived on $2,000/month with a wife and newborn baby, it sucked but it's possible. We did not take any government assistance. We lived extremely tight and all the bills were paid)

Like I said, people in poverty can say, I'm at a disadvantage and give up or they can fight. Are you a winner or loser?

Yes, people can control that, especially #2, is the main one. All I am saying is that people in poverty, specifically black people, are at a disadvantage. Not that they are completely screwed. People in poverty have worse educations and probably have no way of learning good money management if they have no connections, which many don't.

No one is saying to give up.

Have you ever worked in an inner-city school?

No, but I have gone to school in one.

Posted by tangplay on 3/18/2018 7:01:00 PM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 3/18/2018 6:41:00 PM (view original):
Also, it's a fact that more minorities are in poverty, but the struggles they face see no race. I live in a town that is 80% white. It's dirt poor. The same mistakes that keep the cycle going are made here that are made in Lithonia, Ga which is 80% black/Hispanic which leads me to believe that CCCP is correct in that poverty is not a race issue.

I don't see more black people being in poverty as a coincidence. The deep history of racism in this country puts them at a DISADVANTAGE.

It's not a coincidence. Racism put them their, yes. I personally feel the playing field is now even as far as opportunity. Racist policies created a culture that has kept them in poverty. This happened in the past. You can't control the past. Are you going to start winning or are you going to blame the past, which is out of your control and accept failure? It's all about personal choice. Learn to believe in it. Blaming the past is making excuses.

Posted by tangplay on 3/18/2018 7:06:00 PM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 3/18/2018 7:04:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 3/18/2018 6:59:00 PM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 3/18/2018 6:38:00 PM (view original):
There's an old adage in baseball that says "worry about the things you can control."

People in poverty can only control their personal situation. If people blame factors that are out of their control, they will never succeed.

Things they can control:

1. Education
2. Not having kids out of wedlock
3. Money management (I lived on $2,000/month with a wife and newborn baby, it sucked but it's possible. We did not take any government assistance. We lived extremely tight and all the bills were paid)

Like I said, people in poverty can say, I'm at a disadvantage and give up or they can fight. Are you a winner or loser?

Yes, people can control that, especially #2, is the main one. All I am saying is that people in poverty, specifically black people, are at a disadvantage. Not that they are completely screwed. People in poverty have worse educations and probably have no way of learning good money management if they have no connections, which many don't.

No one is saying to give up.

Have you ever worked in an inner-city school?

No, but I have gone to school in one.

That's what I thought. I have. You don't know as much about the situation as you claim. The kids have every opportunity to succeed from within the school. The ones who do succeed have attentive parents. That's the key. It has nothing to do with a lack of opportunity at a school.

you cant break down complex problems down to one or 2 points which by wishful thinking will be an easy panacea.

Posted by strikeout26 on 3/18/2018 7:07:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 3/18/2018 7:01:00 PM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 3/18/2018 6:41:00 PM (view original):
Also, it's a fact that more minorities are in poverty, but the struggles they face see no race. I live in a town that is 80% white. It's dirt poor. The same mistakes that keep the cycle going are made here that are made in Lithonia, Ga which is 80% black/Hispanic which leads me to believe that CCCP is correct in that poverty is not a race issue.

I don't see more black people being in poverty as a coincidence. The deep history of racism in this country puts them at a DISADVANTAGE.

It's not a coincidence. Racism put them their, yes. I personally feel the playing field is now even as far as opportunity. Racist policies created a culture that has kept them in poverty. This happened in the past. You can't control the past. Are you going to start winning or are you going to blame the past, which is out of your control and accept failure? It's all about personal choice. Learn to believe in it. Blaming the past is making excuses.

Is it? Really? So in the example I used earlier, it is 'complaining' me to point out that the kids who are behind have a disadvantage? Like I get your point, but it is truly a pointless conversation-ender.

Posted by strikeout26 on 3/18/2018 7:10:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 3/18/2018 7:06:00 PM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 3/18/2018 7:04:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 3/18/2018 6:59:00 PM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 3/18/2018 6:38:00 PM (view original):
There's an old adage in baseball that says "worry about the things you can control."

People in poverty can only control their personal situation. If people blame factors that are out of their control, they will never succeed.

Things they can control:

1. Education
2. Not having kids out of wedlock
3. Money management (I lived on $2,000/month with a wife and newborn baby, it sucked but it's possible. We did not take any government assistance. We lived extremely tight and all the bills were paid)

Like I said, people in poverty can say, I'm at a disadvantage and give up or they can fight. Are you a winner or loser?

Yes, people can control that, especially #2, is the main one. All I am saying is that people in poverty, specifically black people, are at a disadvantage. Not that they are completely screwed. People in poverty have worse educations and probably have no way of learning good money management if they have no connections, which many don't.

No one is saying to give up.

Have you ever worked in an inner-city school?

No, but I have gone to school in one.

That's what I thought. I have. You don't know as much about the situation as you claim. The kids have every opportunity to succeed from within the school. The ones who do succeed have attentive parents. That's the key. It has nothing to do with a lack of opportunity at a school.

Attentive parents are one part (Which the poor tend not to have) but so does school funding. I had classes in a shed, had textbooks that were written all over and had pages missing, and a teacher left in the middle of my sixth grade year meaning that we had to cram classes full of kids. Did that not affect my education?

No you can't. A cultural change must occur. A change in mindset must occur. The government can't do that. All they do is create dependency. Solving poverty in black communities can only happen by the people in the community. Their has to be a greater emphasis placed on education by the parents. Fathers are going to have to step up and. be responsible. "Babies" are going to have to quit having babies. These are just a few of the issues that create the cycle of poverty. It can't be solved from the outside.

Like I said, when people speak of poverty in America, they're typically singling out minorities. I live in a predominantly white town. They face the same struggles.

You see patterns with poor communities that you don't see in more wealthy communities. I have been blessed with the opportunity to live in both.

I believe firmly in personal choice and that people control their own destiny. I don't believe in luck. I do believe that some people catch breaks, but that is because they put themselves into a situation to catch a break. I believe some people run into unfortunate situations that are out of their control. You find out alot about one's character by how they respond when these events happen. Are you going to give in or are you going to figure out how to persevere? There is not room for everyone at top, but there is room for anyone.