bob..what do you mean by fairly civilized.....what countries are more civilized.

Posted by wylie715 on 3/5/2018 3:16:00 PM (view original):
In remarks to a closed GOP fundraiser at Mar-a-Lago on Saturday, Donald Trump said he thought it was great that China's leader, Xi Jinping, was able to appoint himself "president for life."
"Maybe we'll have to give that a shot someday." That's a quote.



Really?

We in Realityville call it a joke. Getting ready for the roast.

For the "cool" party and people who go with the flow, you seem sadly lacking in some basic comedy precepts like...SATIRE.

SO...early on TRUMP says "The Russians should find" the 30,000 missing e-mails. And we all got it. Except the people of HATE.

THEY turned it into a game changer. COLLUSION! One innocent remark. COLLUSION! A pretty funny joke. COLLUSION!

The party of sour puss is wearing on the American psyche. BURN OUT! NO MORE FAKE NEWS! We'll see ya in 2020.

You're not funny...........................anymore.

Posted by laramiebob on 3/5/2018 3:57:00 PM (view original):
Boris, in your opinion.......... is it even possible to be pro-Peace (including for the Palestinians!) and NOT anti-Israel?

Because, IMO, we have been (as a Country) so one-sided in our support for Israel that we rarely call them out over activities that the whole world finds objectionable (even MOST Americans!)........PLUS, Israel is an established Country, with a powerful military, a functioning society, and it's people live in a fairly civilized and productive, (mostly happy) and unfettered lifestyle.

It's time for them to stand on their OWN 2 feet without this constant (yearly) inflow of American dollars and support.
OUR Government broke (lied in legal agreements) nearly every "peace" treaty we EVER signed with the Native Americans who inhabited this land before we took it (by force and whatever means available) and we have done little or NOTHING for those peoples whom we enslaved on pieces of this continent that we (at the time) figured were worthless and we didn't need! They are nearly wards of the state, with the highest incidents of social problems (poverty, disease, etc) of virtually ANY group of peoples you could name.

THEY (now) are Americans! Maybe it's time we cut off the FOREIGN aid (to places like Israel) and START taking care of our OWN peoples! Perhaps even try and figure out ways we can attempt to abide by the legal agreements we made with these people's!!

So, what's the difference between our long-term (expensive) support for Israel and our indifference to the Native Americans????

IMO, it's simple. CLOUT!!! The Jewish people have VERY rich and powerful friends amongst our citizenry. (Indeed in places all over the Globe).
The Jewish people own banks, media conglomerates, etc. and have HUGE influence with the elite moneyed interests of our society (and Gov't!).
Not so much for the Indians. They don't have extensive financial holdings. They don't own powerful media conglomerates. They just wanted peace, and a PIECE of their own land to try and exist. We haven't kept our commitment to them.......... at ALL!

I have no axe to pick with the Israeli's or their Country! BUT, enough!! Time to take care of our OWN! Time to honor our OWN governmental obligations with our own people's!! Before we send another copper penny to Israel!!! Or any other FOREIGN Gov't!

You see Boris........... you are so so wrong about one thing (at LEAST) in our Country. The FACT that institutional racism exists!! It does, absolutely, and always has. You are correct in that (where blacks and browns, and yellows) in some concerns, that that institutional racism is codified and prohibited BUT it still happens. Those that want to, find ways around the "code". And as far as the Red man is concerned, the institutionalized racism has NEVER ebbed.

Last week a study (originally done 50 years ago) on institutionalized racism was revisited. A new look was taken at the results of the study to compare with our CURRENT situation as regards institutional racism. You should look up the research and the conclusions of this study. (I wish I could remember the name of the study---- too old and feeble a memory).......... I know you won't believe me if I told you the results, but it should be easy to google.

I promise, you'll learn something. That is, IF you can ever accept facts that disagree with your inherent bias. That I find questionable!

LB

When's the last time you called out terrorist Palestine?

Do I need to? The whole world condemns terrorism. I'm a faceless, powerless nobody. I doubt it matters much what I do in respect to the Palestinians. But, As your question is fair IMO (I actually read one of your posts, Doug!! I'm on recuperation from dental work, so's I've got nothing but time today....... and discomfort, of course! I HATE dental issues!) So......... YES, I'll condemn (and call out) the Palestinians who commit acts of terrorism...... against the Israelis OR anyone else! OK?

Posted by cccp1014 on 3/5/2018 3:26:00 PM (view original):
#1) In my opinion if you are anti Israel, the only Jewish state, you are an anti semite. Rightly or wrongly that is my belief.
#2) I would guess DJT was joking

1) you are entitled to your opinion, but calling Obama an anti-Semite, rightly or wrongly, is criticizing him.

2) Unfortunately, I doubt it.

Posted by laramiebob on 3/5/2018 6:22:00 PM (view original):
Do I need to? The whole world condemns terrorism. I'm a faceless, powerless nobody. I doubt it matters much what I do in respect to the Palestinians. But, As your question is fair IMO (I actually read one of your posts, Doug!! I'm on recuperation from dental work, so's I've got nothing but time today....... and discomfort, of course! I HATE dental issues!) So......... YES, I'll condemn (and call out) the Palestinians who commit acts of terrorism...... against the Israelis OR anyone else! OK?

Actually, I agree. We who work a day make our own beds. If we slide into the abyss, it is not our fault. We followed the rules.

I trust my government, whom I allow temporary and limited control, is honest and law abiding.

WHEN that body of people become demanding and disaffected, I shall not revolt. I simply revote.

AND should they take over every institution to affect me, I will resist.

AND should resistance lead to death, We will be reborn.

Posted by cccp1014 on 3/5/2018 4:26:00 PM (view original):
We all hate racism. But you Bob, BL and tangplay just say “institutional racism” exists and if I disagree I am a moron. This is pure insanity. You don’t have to give me the racist institution or person and you don’t have to share what cures you have in mind, you just keep uttering “institutional racism” over and over again like parrots. Studies show that white kids from single parent families are less successful than African American kids who have two parents. This gets ignored because it does not fit your narrative.

Boris. I'm not ignoring anything. I take no issue with your assertion that "white kids from single parent families are less successful" than kids from whole nuclear families of ANY color! I don't have any narrative at all. Just 50+ years of Living in America with my ears and eyes open!!

I don't think you're a moron, just completely mistaken (Wrong) on the subject of institutional racism. It appears to me that you have lived a sequestered life. Some might call it privileged. I acknowledge that policies and "codes" have been established to try and eradicate racist policies, but folks find ways around the "code" oftentimes and racism exists/is continuing in many pockets of America. You have the right to dismiss whatever facts you choose to....... but that only makes you willfully ignorant....... intentionally intellectually uninformed...... there are many folks who choose to deny the reality of climate change...... when there is no denying the reality. We can argue the causes, or how much WE humans have to do with it but ignoring the factual evidence of the climate changing is willful ignorance. NO credible scientist within that field of study dismisses the actual factual evidence of the change. They argue around the edges of causation but NOT about what is occurring. It has been established fact since the late 1800's that the Arctic cap is melting. Go ask Greenlanders of No. Greenland. So.......... I don't argue at all that you have the right NOT to believe things........... just that that course of intentional refusal to accept facts is............ ???? unwise at best.
Here's the info you need to find out how wrong you are on racism in America.. Read it, if you dare. You won't be able to credibly claim NO institutional racism exist in America anymore because the evidence is clear. It does! Here you go.

That report I mentioned was called "The Kerner Report, The National Advisory Commission on Civil Disorder". It was commissioned by LBJ. Gov. Otto Kerner of Illinois was the head guy. (in 1968, Detroit had barely stopped burning when it was commissioned)

This last weekend NPR's "Code Switch" team of journalists published a story on the 50 year update of the "Kerner Commission"
I listened to the report and READ the transcript. Here is what the study found: (Don't believe me---google it, read for yourself!)

"Its conclusion - widening inequality has become a threat to American democracy."

Oklahoma Senator Fred Harris, (the only living member of the Kerner Commission panel), is quoted here: (also from the NPR story)
"I was 37 when I served on the commission. And who ever thought that, 50 years later, we'd still be talking about the same things? That's kind of sad."

From Fox News: (last week)
"A new study examining the nation 50 years after the release of the landmark 1968 Kerner Report says barriers to equality are posing threats to democracy in the U.S. as the country remains segregated along racial lines and child poverty worsens."

From Smithsonian:

"An update to the landmark study finds there is now more poverty and segregation in America." (than in 1968!)

There are many many more sources available for you to read the ACTUAL report/study.
IF you still refuse to believe that institutional racism still exists, you aren't arguing with me......... you're arguing with expert scientists who have actually done the research and examined the results. That kind of willful myopia is extremely limiting and self damaging in the long run. You'll have only yourself to blame for looking stupid, not me!

Children do best when reared by two loving parents who want them. I completely agree with you on that!
But that little factoid has little to do with institutional racism. THAT little practice (racism) affects 2 parent homes equally......... no matter the color of the parents!
Stay well, Boris. As an American I wish you the best........ for your own children and theirs!

LB

HOW 'BOUT THOSE GRAMMIES though?

I loved how Kimmel did all the hash tag ME TOO stuff. It's good for him to point it out.

WE loved when he said if they cleaned it up in Hollywood, they would only be harassed everywhere else.

BUT THEN he went after Mike Pence. For being a loving husband caring and true to his wife.

AND THIS is where the noise from the left breaks down.

Pence does exactly what you think a non-harraser should do. THEN YOU KICK HIM IN THE FACE.

Normal people don't get it.

Burnt out and stopped listening.

Posted by cccp1014 on 3/5/2018 4:07:00 PM (view original):
Giving $$$ to Iran, that it funnels to Hezbollah and Hamas is not being pro peace. I am NEVER wrong, Bob. NEVER. The sooner you learn that the easier our conversations will be.

Bush funded Iran, directly helped them in war, and put a pro-Iranian dictator in Iraq. Guess he is an antisemite.

Adding on to what Bob said, the fact that single parent families do worse is irrelevant in this situation.

White Guilt is NOT Institutional Racism. Far from it. To discuss this issue, Boris, you must understand that NO ONE is making the argument that we are successful or not successful singularly because of our skin color. I don't know how many times I must ram that into your head.

We are, however, making the argument that white people have an ADVANTAGE. And that black people are at a structural DISADVANTAGE.

This is extremely obvious when looking at the overall statistics in the country. I won't show you individual companies who discriminate outright, because those are rare, and if they aren't, then go to a different company.

IT WORKS IN DIFFERENT WAYS! For instance -

I was at a poverty simulation, and someone told everyone in the room that if they had been taken out of their car by the police at some point, to stand up.
Well, if everyone was treated equally, we would expect a similar percentage of white and black people to stand up, right?

EVERY SINGLE BLACK PERSON IN THE ROOM (About 15) STOOD UP.

2 White people stood up.

That's institutional racism, Boris.

after obama became prez 80% of republicans chose to not believe he was born in the usa.......i chalk that up to something.
ted cruz - no one even cared.

Posted by wylie715 on 3/5/2018 6:38:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 3/5/2018 3:26:00 PM (view original):
#1) In my opinion if you are anti Israel, the only Jewish state, you are an anti semite. Rightly or wrongly that is my belief.
#2) I would guess DJT was joking

1) you are entitled to your opinion, but calling Obama an anti-Semite, rightly or wrongly, is criticizing him.

2) Unfortunately, I doubt it.

#1) We agreed that DJT gets criticized way more than BHO did.
#2) I heard the audio. He was 100% joking.

Posted by tangplay on 3/5/2018 8:20:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 3/5/2018 4:07:00 PM (view original):
Giving $$$ to Iran, that it funnels to Hezbollah and Hamas is not being pro peace. I am NEVER wrong, Bob. NEVER. The sooner you learn that the easier our conversations will be.

Bush funded Iran, directly helped them in war, and put a pro-Iranian dictator in Iraq. Guess he is an antisemite.

Idiot, I told you 1000x I did not vote nor like Bush and I would not be shocked if he is one.

Posted by tangplay on 3/5/2018 8:26:00 PM (view original):
Adding on to what Bob said, the fact that single parent families do worse is irrelevant in this situation.

White Guilt is NOT Institutional Racism. Far from it. To discuss this issue, Boris, you must understand that NO ONE is making the argument that we are successful or not successful singularly because of our skin color. I don't know how many times I must ram that into your head.

We are, however, making the argument that white people have an ADVANTAGE. And that black people are at a structural DISADVANTAGE.

This is extremely obvious when looking at the overall statistics in the country. I won't show you individual companies who discriminate outright, because those are rare, and if they aren't, then go to a different company.

IT WORKS IN DIFFERENT WAYS! For instance -

I was at a poverty simulation, and someone told everyone in the room that if they had been taken out of their car by the police at some point, to stand up.
Well, if everyone was treated equally, we would expect a similar percentage of white and black people to stand up, right?

EVERY SINGLE BLACK PERSON IN THE ROOM (About 15) STOOD UP.

2 White people stood up.

That's institutional racism, Boris.

And.....what is your CURE?!?!!!?!?!? I have asked you this 1000x as well. Complaining is not a cure and even if Cops are racist and many cops are just bad at their job how do they influence the fact that 72% of African American kids grow up in a single family household? We agree that cops need retraining but African Americans represent ~13% of the population and commit ~70% of crimes. Of course the cops will be more suspicious. Rightly or wrongly. That is not institutional racism that is police bias. This includes both white and African American police officers.

Your study is also not statistically significant. Did you ever take stats?

Posted by cccp1014 on 3/6/2018 8:18:00 AM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 3/5/2018 8:20:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 3/5/2018 4:07:00 PM (view original):
Giving $$$ to Iran, that it funnels to Hezbollah and Hamas is not being pro peace. I am NEVER wrong, Bob. NEVER. The sooner you learn that the easier our conversations will be.

Bush funded Iran, directly helped them in war, and put a pro-Iranian dictator in Iraq. Guess he is an antisemite.

Idiot, I told you 1000x I did not vote nor like Bush and I would not be shocked if he is one.

.... Then I disagree. Bush was no antisemite, just an idiot.