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Posted by cccp1014 on 12/28/2017 10:56:00 AM (view original):
Of course I think it is bad but it is irrelevant what I think as there are those that subscribe to those idiotic ideologies and they see them as good and hence wars happen. Why can you not understand that you idiot? As such pacifism is stupid because we have to defend liberal values or else get overrun by morons like Kim Jung Un and every middle eastern dictator.You are by far the dumbest person on Earth.

Again, Social Darwinism is not prevalent in today's society. No one in power is looking to take over the world. Kim Jong-Un is not gonna nuke everyone for no reason. Pacifism works. It has worked in history and will work again. By not accepting pacifism, you doom the world to eternal war and eventual destruction.

Please show proof that pacifism works. By your logic we should disband our military and police force. Please show an example of one country without a police force.

We should have a police force, but prisons should be strictly rehabilitation centers. We should disband our military, as should everyone else in the world.

Jesus. Gandhi. Martin Luther King. Cold War.

NOW.

In the present. Show one country without a military and a police force. Since pacifism works there must be one, right? I believe even the Vatican has a police force. And stop telling me what it "should be". I agree with you that this is how it should be, you dummy. But this is not how it is. In real life there are bad, very bad people and prayer will not get rid of them.

There are none. However the historical precedent is there. Countries that do not participate in wars are usually off better.

No kidding. But it is unrealistic. I also want there to be zero hospitals and for everyone to always be healthy and live 4ever. But unlike you, I am sane.

Posted by strikeout26 on 12/28/2017 5:06:00 PM (view original):
Here's the thing. Y'all are both right. Jesus was a pacifist and Christianity is a pacifist religion, but militaries and police forces are absolutely necessary.

From a christian perspective, sin came into this world when Adam and Eve first sinned. Since that time, people are born sinners and with that comes evil. From a Judeo-Christian standpoint, world peace is impossible because of the original fall of man.

Nope you're wrong. According to tangplay we can all live in peace. We can also have unicorns as pets.

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Posted by cccp1014 on 12/28/2017 10:56:00 AM (view original):
Of course I think it is bad but it is irrelevant what I think as there are those that subscribe to those idiotic ideologies and they see them as good and hence wars happen. Why can you not understand that you idiot? As such pacifism is stupid because we have to defend liberal values or else get overrun by morons like Kim Jung Un and every middle eastern dictator.You are by far the dumbest person on Earth.

Again, Social Darwinism is not prevalent in today's society. No one in power is looking to take over the world. Kim Jong-Un is not gonna nuke everyone for no reason. Pacifism works. It has worked in history and will work again. By not accepting pacifism, you doom the world to eternal war and eventual destruction.

Please show proof that pacifism works. By your logic we should disband our military and police force. Please show an example of one country without a police force.

We should have a police force, but prisons should be strictly rehabilitation centers. We should disband our military, as should everyone else in the world.

Jesus. Gandhi. Martin Luther King. Cold War.

NOW.

In the present. Show one country without a military and a police force. Since pacifism works there must be one, right? I believe even the Vatican has a police force. And stop telling me what it "should be". I agree with you that this is how it should be, you dummy. But this is not how it is. In real life there are bad, very bad people and prayer will not get rid of them.

There are none. However the historical precedent is there. Countries that do not participate in wars are usually off better.

No kidding. But it is unrealistic. I also want there to be zero hospitals and for everyone to always be healthy and live 4ever. But unlike you, I am sane.

Why is it unrealistic?

Tang, see my post. Genesis is very clear as to why it's unrealistic.

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Posted by cccp1014 on 12/23/2017 10:54:00 AM (view original):
Here is why I did not vote for her:

• She left the WH nearly broke or barely well off and now is worth over $100MM. Clinton foundation is dirty.
• She claims to be for women's rights but she took a lot of $$ (pay for play) from Saudi and other countries as such who treat women worse than dogs.
• Benghazi happened on her watch as she was sleeping
• She is a terrible role model for my daughters, staying married to a cretin like Bill after he multiple times cheated on her and humiliated her.
• My friend in Secret Service told me she is one of the worst human beings he ever met and she treated them as her servants. He said Bill could not stand her.
• She and her cronies sabotaged Bernie Sanders. I am far from a Bernie fan but he deserved a fair shot.
• She is a liar and thinks I am stupid enough to believe her lies.

Boris. I'm unable to disagree with any of your bulletpoints. All true IMO!

I'm quite glad she is finished and out of govmint! She is clearly yesterday's news. An old beaten has been. GOOD!
Why do you right-wingers keep bringing her up!!! I'm sick of hearing her name and the ONLY people still talking about HRC is guys like you, ALT3, Moy, etc....... Get over her! I think you guys have so little to find to support about "your"so-called winner (whiner?) that you have to keep talking about HER! She was so bad that............ No one is saying different. Let her go away. please!

As to your final bullet point. I've ONLY done one thing to it and have re-posted it (below) Can you NOT agree that it applies just as equally to Trump!??



"He is a liar and thinks I am stupid enough to believe his lies.. "

I am far from a right winger. Trump is a businessman and knows what EBITDA is. I relate to him. I can see where he is coming from. I wanted to give him a shot. My vote was meaningless anyway.

I don't think I've seen any posts from you that did not indicate that you are a right winger. Not that it means much. Also, you relate to Donald Trump? That scares me more than anything you've ever said. He is a horrible human being.

You're a horrible human being.

I am pro choice, I don't care who marries whom, I am for capping CEO salaries, I would be OK with nationalized healthcare and I think college tuition is too expensive.

I am anti over regulation, I am pro first and second amendment, I am pro strong military, I am pro USA first, I am pro Israel.

wylie, honestly and I mean this sincerely. Go F yourself.

after you, dude

Go F myself because I said it scares me that you can relate to Trump? Maybe I can see how you can relate to him.

You are saying I am a horrible human being because I relate to Trump. That is an ignorant statement. Not a surprise coming from you.

Nowhere did I say YOU were a horrible human being. I said it scared me that you felt you could relate to trump because he is a horrible human being. Maybe you need to work on your reading comprehension.

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Posted by strikeout26 on 12/28/2017 5:06:00 PM (view original):
Here's the thing. Y'all are both right. Jesus was a pacifist and Christianity is a pacifist religion, but militaries and police forces are absolutely necessary.

From a christian perspective, sin came into this world when Adam and Eve first sinned. Since that time, people are born sinners and with that comes evil. From a Judeo-Christian standpoint, world peace is impossible because of the original fall of man.

Nope you're wrong. According to tangplay we can all live in peace. We can also have unicorns as pets.

Can my unicorn be pink with blue spots? The world can never live in peace. We may have peace for short periods of time (but I doubt it. There will always be someone fighting someone else somewhere) but, sadly, it is human nature to fight.

I think we are all born sinners with the capacity to sin. We will fail, but we should all strive to not sin. Thus, I believe in pacifism and peace, however unrealistic it may be.

That's admirable, but it's dangerous for world leaders to think that way because it leaves nations way too vulnerable. I don't think we should be aggressors, but we should be capable and ready to defend ourselves against those who don't want world peace.

Posted by strikeout26 on 12/28/2017 7:29:00 PM (view original):
That's admirable, but it's dangerous for world leaders to think that way because it leaves nations way too vulnerable. I don't think we should be aggressors, but we should be capable and ready to defend ourselves against those who don't want world peace.

What is the line between defending ourselves and turning the other cheek? When do the defenders become the attackers?

Turning the other cheek is a personal decision probably involving yourself and an antagonist.

Defending "ourselves" involves family or community or country. You still have the right to be a pacifist and determine your own course but you have no right in determining how the others respond or act.

Turning the other cheek relates to individuals, not to the whole country. We could very easily have a large portion of our country newked if we aren't prepared. While I am a hypocrite, as I am as quick as anyone to knuckle up, I do agree that the Bible as individuals calls us to love our enemy, but I can show you numerous examples from the Bible where God gave his people the strength to win battles and wars.

I know I have approached this strictly from a christian worldview, but that's where my values come from. From a secular worldview, my job takes me into some high crime areas at times and I am going to get home and see my son each evening. I am going to protect myself because I understand that evil people exist and will always exist. It works the same way with our leaders protecting the country.

Posted by DougOut on 12/28/2017 9:06:00 PM (view original):
Turning the other cheek is a personal decision probably involving yourself and an antagonist.

Defending "ourselves" involves family or community or country. You still have the right to be a pacifist and determine your own course but you have no right in determining how the others respond or act.

This.

I disagree. I don't see the difference between protecting ourselves and protecting the country.

Your personal choice leads to the potential of you being dead, being unprepared for an attack leads to thousands being dead. Big difference.