Other bowls that look to be compelling:

TCU/Stanford
ND/LSU
Va Tech/OK State
Mich. State/Wash. State
Louisville/Miss. State
S Carolina/Michigan
Iowa/BC
Wake/A&M

Wish we could see FAU vs. USF...

Posted by moranis on 12/3/2017 3:43:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 12/3/2017 3:31:00 PM (view original):
Love the USC/OSU match-up.

Well that was a given. OSU was either playing Clemson or USC and USC was either playing OSU or Wiscy. Actually like that the game isn't in LA for once. Makes it more fair

With any luck, both teams will want to compete.

Who does Nebraska play?

Posted by MikeT23 on 12/4/2017 6:13:00 AM (view original):

Posted by moranis on 12/3/2017 3:43:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 12/3/2017 3:31:00 PM (view original):
Love the USC/OSU match-up.

Well that was a given. OSU was either playing Clemson or USC and USC was either playing OSU or Wiscy. Actually like that the game isn't in LA for once. Makes it more fair

With any luck, both teams will want to compete.

I can certainly see OSU wanting to make a statement and the same for USC. Last year's Rose Bowl was probably the 2nd best game (aside from the title game) of all the post season games played when USC and PSU played a classic. Maybe it will have a repeat performance especially since it will again feature 2 conference champions (just like the Rose last year).

I'm sure the teams, overall, want to win. I was just thinking about the NFL prospects. Darnold and Jones(and I think a WR) along with some OSU linemen are projected as 1st/2nd rounders. Fournette and McCaffrey could have started a trend. Or, if nothing else, a tweak that they'd normally play thru could sideline them.

Posted by MikeT23 on 11/28/2017 10:37:00 AM (view original):
Mich/Mich St are on par with KY/SC.

Guess we'll see with the Mich/SC game.

If both teams can stay out of trouble, I don't think there's a BIG NFL prospect on either side. Mich has a defensive lineman that gets press and SC has a linebacker, I think he's a 6th year player so I'm not sure of his prospects, who makes a bunch of plays.

Here is the bleacher report mock post last weekend. I've see Darnold fall on a number of mocks.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2747404-2018-nfl-mock-draft-post-week-13-breakdown

1. Cleveland Browns: Josh Rosen, QB, UCLA

2. New York Giants: Baker Mayfield, QB, Oklahoma

3. San Francisco 49ers: Saquon Barkley, RB, Penn State

4. Denver Broncos: Derwin James, S, Florida State

5. Indianapolis Colts: Quenton Nelson, OG, Notre Dame

6. Chicago Bears: Minkah Fitzpatrick, FS, Alabama

7. Cleveland Browns (from HOU): Denzel Ward, CB, Ohio State

8. Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Arden Key, DE, LSU

9. Arizona Cardinals: Sam Darnold, QB, USC

10. New York Jets: Orlando Brown, OT, Oklahoma

11. Washington Redskins: Roquan Smith, LB, Georgia

12. Miami Dolphins: Bradley Chubb, DE, N.C. State

13: Cincinnati Bengals: Christian Wilkins, DT, Clemson

14. Los Angeles Chargers: Vita Vea, DT, Washington

15. Dallas Cowboys: Malik Jefferson, LB, Texas

16. Oakland Raiders: Connor Williams, OT, Texas

17. Detroit Lions: Clelin Ferrell, DE, Clemson

18. Buffalo Bills: Tarvarus McFadden, CB, Florida State

19. Green Bay Packers: Martinas Rankin, OT, Mississippi State

20. Atlanta Falcons: Austin Bryant, DE, Clemson

21. Baltimore Ravens: Lorenzo Carter, LB, Georgia

22. Carolina Panthers: Sam Hubbard, DE, Ohio State

23. Jacksonville Jaguars: Courtland Sutton, WR, SMU

24. Seattle Seahawks: Billy Price, OG/C, Ohio State

25. Buffalo Bills (from KC): Maurice Hurst, DT, Michigan

26. New Orleans Saints: Harrison Phillips, DL, Stanford

27. Tennessee Titans: Harold Landry, LB, Boston College

28. Los Angeles Rams: Jamarco Jones, OT, Ohio State

29. Pittsburgh Steelers: Carlton Davis, CB, Auburn

30. Philadelphia Eagles: Joshua Jackson, CB, Iowa

31. Minnesota Vikings: Mitch Hyatt, OT, Clemson

32. New England Patriots: Derrius Guice, RB, LSU

If that's accurate, I feel bad for Rosen's career.

They keep drafting QBs who s*ck. At some point don't they have to try something else?

Posted by all3 on 12/4/2017 3:08:00 PM (view original):
They keep drafting QBs who s*ck. At some point don't they have to try something else?

They keep passing on QB's that don't suck at the top of the draft to take QB's that suck later on (though Hue Jackson wanted to take Watson at 12 but was vetoed by the higher ups - that seems like a "good" call). I can't imagine they are sold on Kizer, so they almost have to take a QB at 1 this year (especially since Houston is most likely giving them a 2nd top ten pick).

Posted by moranis on 12/4/2017 3:33:00 PM (view original):

Posted by all3 on 12/4/2017 3:08:00 PM (view original):
They keep drafting QBs who s*ck. At some point don't they have to try something else?

They keep passing on QB's that don't suck at the top of the draft to take QB's that suck later on (though Hue Jackson wanted to take Watson at 12 but was vetoed by the higher ups - that seems like a "good" call). I can't imagine they are sold on Kizer, so they almost have to take a QB at 1 this year (especially since Houston is most likely giving them a 2nd top ten pick).

No matter what the round they're drafting these QBs in, they all seem to blow. Obviously they have zero idea how to evaluation QBs. At some point shouldn't they admit that and simply stop drafting them and go the FA and/or trade routs to get a QB?
Based on many reports regarding his lack of leadership and prima donna attitude, Rosen seems like another failure candidate. Why gamble with that kind of pick, when you could choose other players with much greater chances of being (at least) "good" for the next decade or so?

Posted by all3 on 12/4/2017 3:59:00 PM (view original):

Posted by moranis on 12/4/2017 3:33:00 PM (view original):

Posted by all3 on 12/4/2017 3:08:00 PM (view original):
They keep drafting QBs who s*ck. At some point don't they have to try something else?

They keep passing on QB's that don't suck at the top of the draft to take QB's that suck later on (though Hue Jackson wanted to take Watson at 12 but was vetoed by the higher ups - that seems like a "good" call). I can't imagine they are sold on Kizer, so they almost have to take a QB at 1 this year (especially since Houston is most likely giving them a 2nd top ten pick).

No matter what the round they're drafting these QBs in, they all seem to blow. Obviously they have zero idea how to evaluation QBs. At some point shouldn't they admit that and simply stop drafting them and go the FA and/or trade routs to get a QB?
Based on many reports regarding his lack of leadership and prima donna attitude, Rosen seems like another failure candidate. Why gamble with that kind of pick, when you could choose other players with much greater chances of being (at least) "good" for the next decade or so?

Some of it is evaluation, some of it is terrible coaching, some of it is the lack of a cohesive plan, some of it is the lack of surrounding talent.

In conclusion, Cleveland sucks.

Some of it is luck. How many teams passed on Brady? Brees and Carr were 2nd rounders. And, if Jerry had gotten his way, Cleveland doesn't get Manziel.

Mayfield feels like a bust to me. Immature and hot headed. He's a slightly better throwing Manziel.