Trump: Worst President Ever? Topic

Posted by strikeout26 on 11/28/2017 6:16:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 11/28/2017 6:10:00 PM (view original):
What will really be awesome is when Trump ***** the bed and the government shuts down.
This always gets the "doomsday" effect to scare the American people. The government will not be shut down. Essential spending will continue. Non-essential will stop. If the dems would stop being petty nothing would be shut down. Saying that, they can shut it down. We spend too much anyways.
No, you misunderstand. I don't think a government shutdown is a disaster for the country. It isn't (unlike a failure to increase the debt ceiling).

But if the government is shut down, you can't pass a tax reform bill. That's Trump shitting the bed.
11/28/2017 6:34 PM
Also, it's certainly not on the dems if it gets shut down. The GOP controls the white house and congress. They don't need a single dem vote to keep the government funded.
11/28/2017 6:37 PM
Posted by bad_luck on 11/28/2017 6:34:00 PM (view original):
Posted by strikeout26 on 11/28/2017 6:16:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 11/28/2017 6:10:00 PM (view original):
What will really be awesome is when Trump ***** the bed and the government shuts down.
This always gets the "doomsday" effect to scare the American people. The government will not be shut down. Essential spending will continue. Non-essential will stop. If the dems would stop being petty nothing would be shut down. Saying that, they can shut it down. We spend too much anyways.
No, you misunderstand. I don't think a government shutdown is a disaster for the country. It isn't (unlike a failure to increase the debt ceiling).

But if the government is shut down, you can't pass a tax reform bill. That's Trump shitting the bed.
I gotcha. I did misunderstand. When most people talk about shutdown, they're talking about how disastrous it's going to be. The right in power is typically scared to death of it.

Reading through the tax plan, it looks okay to me. My taxes will go up which sucks, but most will go down for lower earners. What scares me is that a lot of extraordinary assumptions are being used that it won't raise our national debt. I like the idea of a contingency plan if we don't have the expected growth.
11/28/2017 6:40 PM
Posted by bad_luck on 11/28/2017 6:37:00 PM (view original):
Also, it's certainly not on the dems if it gets shut down. The GOP controls the white house and congress. They don't need a single dem vote to keep the government funded.
Are you sure that they don't need a super-majority to pass a budget. I'm pretty sure that they do.
11/28/2017 6:41 PM
Yeah, they need 60 to pass, so it is on the backs of the democrats.
11/28/2017 6:44 PM
Posted by strikeout26 on 11/28/2017 6:40:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 11/28/2017 6:34:00 PM (view original):
Posted by strikeout26 on 11/28/2017 6:16:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 11/28/2017 6:10:00 PM (view original):
What will really be awesome is when Trump ***** the bed and the government shuts down.
This always gets the "doomsday" effect to scare the American people. The government will not be shut down. Essential spending will continue. Non-essential will stop. If the dems would stop being petty nothing would be shut down. Saying that, they can shut it down. We spend too much anyways.
No, you misunderstand. I don't think a government shutdown is a disaster for the country. It isn't (unlike a failure to increase the debt ceiling).

But if the government is shut down, you can't pass a tax reform bill. That's Trump shitting the bed.
I gotcha. I did misunderstand. When most people talk about shutdown, they're talking about how disastrous it's going to be. The right in power is typically scared to death of it.

Reading through the tax plan, it looks okay to me. My taxes will go up which sucks, but most will go down for lower earners. What scares me is that a lot of extraordinary assumptions are being used that it won't raise our national debt. I like the idea of a contingency plan if we don't have the expected growth.
I like the house plan better
11/28/2017 6:46 PM
Posted by strikeout26 on 11/28/2017 6:44:00 PM (view original):
Yeah, they need 60 to pass, so it is on the backs of the democrats.
They do but also, **** the GOP. They did everything they could to roadblock Obama. I'm not going to be sad if they can't get tax reform done.
11/28/2017 7:09 PM
Posted by strikeout26 on 11/28/2017 6:40:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 11/28/2017 6:34:00 PM (view original):
Posted by strikeout26 on 11/28/2017 6:16:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 11/28/2017 6:10:00 PM (view original):
What will really be awesome is when Trump ***** the bed and the government shuts down.
This always gets the "doomsday" effect to scare the American people. The government will not be shut down. Essential spending will continue. Non-essential will stop. If the dems would stop being petty nothing would be shut down. Saying that, they can shut it down. We spend too much anyways.
No, you misunderstand. I don't think a government shutdown is a disaster for the country. It isn't (unlike a failure to increase the debt ceiling).

But if the government is shut down, you can't pass a tax reform bill. That's Trump shitting the bed.
I gotcha. I did misunderstand. When most people talk about shutdown, they're talking about how disastrous it's going to be. The right in power is typically scared to death of it.

Reading through the tax plan, it looks okay to me. My taxes will go up which sucks, but most will go down for lower earners. What scares me is that a lot of extraordinary assumptions are being used that it won't raise our national debt. I like the idea of a contingency plan if we don't have the expected growth.
Regarding the tax plan, it's the dumbest thing ever. It's hard to **** up a tax cut. You just cut taxes, everyone is happy. You can even do it like Bush did and cut taxes on the rich by huge amounts and only cut taxes on the poor by a little and you can still get it done.

But these ******* idiots have found a way to **** over a chunk of people with middle and lower incomes so that a tiny sliver of exceptionally wealthy people don't have to pay taxes on money they lucked into. Great idea. Let's also not tax lottery winnings and eliminate deductions for childcare.
11/28/2017 7:17 PM
Posted by bad_luck on 11/28/2017 6:37:00 PM (view original):
Also, it's certainly not on the dems if it gets shut down. The GOP controls the white house and congress. They don't need a single dem vote to keep the government funded.
I ask again. Why would the government shut down?
11/28/2017 7:50 PM

List of federal shutdowns[edit]

This list includes only funding gaps that led to actual employee furloughs. Not all funding gaps have led to shutdowns, even after the Civiletti opinions of 1980 and 1981.[6] For example, a brief funding gap in 1982 did not involve furloughs, with nonessential workers told to report to work but to cancel meetings and not perform their ordinary duties;[20] a three-day funding gap in November 1983 reportedly led to no disruption to government services;[6] and in 1984 it was considered rare for a funding gap to cause federal employees to be actually ordered to cease work.[21]

1981[edit]

On November 23, 1981, 241,000 federal employees were furloughed for one day.[22] The shutdown occurred because President Ronald Reagan vetoed a spending bill that contained a smaller set of spending cuts than he had proposed.[23] The shutdown was estimated to cost taxpayers $80–90 million in back pay and other expenses.[22] Not all government departments shut down during the funding gap.[24]

1984[edit]

On October 4, 1984, 500,000 federal employees were furloughed for one afternoon.[22] This shutdown occurred due to the inclusion of a water projects package and a civil rights measure that Reagan opposed. The bill was passed the following day after Congress removed these programs, and also included a compromise on funding of the Nicaraguan Contras.[23] The shutdown only covered nine out of the 13 appropriations bills that had not been passed at that point.[21] Back pay was estimated at $65 million.[22]

1986[edit]

On October 17, 1986, 500,000 federal employees were furloughed for one afternoon over a wide range of issues.[22][23] The cost was estimated at $62 million in lost work.[22]

1990[edit]

Main article: United States federal government shutdown of 1990

The 1990 shutdown occurred over Columbus Day weekend, from Saturday, October 6 through Monday, October 8.[22] The shutdown stemmed from the fact that a deficit reduction package negotiated by President George H. W. Bush contained tax increases, despite his campaign promise of "read my lips: no new taxes",[25] leading to a revolt led by then House Minority Whip Newt Gingrich that defeated the initial appropriations package.[26][27] Because the shutdown occurred over a weekend, the effects of the shutdown were lessened, with the National Parks and the Smithsonian museums being the most visible closures.[22] Around 2,800 workers were furloughed, with the government losing $2.57 million in lost revenue and back wages.[28]

1995–1996[edit]

Main article: United States federal government shutdowns of 1995–1996

The two shutdowns of 1995 and 1995–96 were the result of conflicts between Democratic President Bill Clinton and the Republican Congress over funding for Medicare, education, the environment, and public health in the 1996 federal budget. The government shut down after Clinton vetoed the spending bill the Republican Party-controlled Congress sent him. Government workers were furloughed and non-essential services suspended during November 14–19, 1995, and from December 16, 1995, to January 6, 1996, for a total of 27 days. The major players were President Clinton and Speaker of the U.S. House of Representatives Newt Gingrich.

The first of the two shutdowns caused the furlough of about 800,000 workers, while the second caused about 284,000 workers to be furloughed.[1]

2013[edit]

Main article: United States federal government shutdown of 2013

The 2013 shutdown occurred during October 1–16, 2013. During the shutdown, approximately 800,000 federal employees were indefinitely furloughed, and another 1.3 million were required to report to work without known payment dates.[29] The deadlock centered on the Continuing Appropriations Resolution, 2014. The Republican-led House of Representatives, in part encouraged by conservative senators such as Ted Cruz[30] and conservative groups such as Heritage Action,[31][32][33] offered several continuing resolutions with language delaying or defunding the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (commonly known as "Obamacare"). The Democratic-led Senate passed several amended continuing resolutions for maintaining funding at then-current sequestration levels with no additional conditions. Political fights over this and other issues between the House on one side and President Barack Obama and the Senate on the other led to a budget impasse which threatened massive disruption.[34][35][36] Late in the evening of October 16, 2013, Congress passed the Continuing Appropriations Act, 2014, and the President signed it shortly after midnight on October 17, ending the government shutdown and suspending the debt limit until February 7, 2014.[37]

11/28/2017 7:58 PM
Posted by bad_luck on 11/28/2017 7:09:00 PM (view original):
Posted by strikeout26 on 11/28/2017 6:44:00 PM (view original):
Yeah, they need 60 to pass, so it is on the backs of the democrats.
They do but also, **** the GOP. They did everything they could to roadblock Obama. I'm not going to be sad if they can't get tax reform done.
What did they do?

It seems to me Obama got everything he wanted.
11/28/2017 8:00 PM
Posted by bad_luck on 11/28/2017 7:17:00 PM (view original):
Posted by strikeout26 on 11/28/2017 6:40:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 11/28/2017 6:34:00 PM (view original):
Posted by strikeout26 on 11/28/2017 6:16:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 11/28/2017 6:10:00 PM (view original):
What will really be awesome is when Trump ***** the bed and the government shuts down.
This always gets the "doomsday" effect to scare the American people. The government will not be shut down. Essential spending will continue. Non-essential will stop. If the dems would stop being petty nothing would be shut down. Saying that, they can shut it down. We spend too much anyways.
No, you misunderstand. I don't think a government shutdown is a disaster for the country. It isn't (unlike a failure to increase the debt ceiling).

But if the government is shut down, you can't pass a tax reform bill. That's Trump shitting the bed.
I gotcha. I did misunderstand. When most people talk about shutdown, they're talking about how disastrous it's going to be. The right in power is typically scared to death of it.

Reading through the tax plan, it looks okay to me. My taxes will go up which sucks, but most will go down for lower earners. What scares me is that a lot of extraordinary assumptions are being used that it won't raise our national debt. I like the idea of a contingency plan if we don't have the expected growth.
Regarding the tax plan, it's the dumbest thing ever. It's hard to **** up a tax cut. You just cut taxes, everyone is happy. You can even do it like Bush did and cut taxes on the rich by huge amounts and only cut taxes on the poor by a little and you can still get it done.

But these ******* idiots have found a way to **** over a chunk of people with middle and lower incomes so that a tiny sliver of exceptionally wealthy people don't have to pay taxes on money they lucked into. Great idea. Let's also not tax lottery winnings and eliminate deductions for childcare.
This is interesting,

How would you compare it to the latest DEMOCRAT tax cut under......?????????

I agree it's a toothless tax cut. It sounds like a democrat plan. You have the moderate Republicans cowered and in the corner.

Everything else you portend is incorrect and flat out wrong.

You want to tax dead people who spent their whole lives paying but gift a gambler? What happened to the left?
11/28/2017 8:18 PM (edited)
I'm guessing you haven't read the tax plan and are only listening to the talking heads. They did away with a lot of itemized deductions, but raised the standard deduction. Taxes will go down for most people. For the bottom 50% of earners taxes can't go down any further. They already don't pay anything. Most of the wealthy did not "luck" into their money. It was earned. We should not start penalizing people for working hard. That would terrible for our country. Apparently, you are a socialist a well. Makes more sense now why you think Obama was so wonderful. I work very hard and have taken many risks to gain what I have. It was not "luck". I have caught some breaks, but I put myself in a position to catch those breaks. EVERYONE has those same opportunities.

Also, why does anyone deserve a deduction for childcare. I understand it is expensive, but the government is not responsible for providing for your children.

By the way, your last post is why Obama is a socialist.
11/28/2017 8:14 PM
Posted by bad_luck on 11/28/2017 7:09:00 PM (view original):
Posted by strikeout26 on 11/28/2017 6:44:00 PM (view original):
Yeah, they need 60 to pass, so it is on the backs of the democrats.
They do but also, **** the GOP. They did everything they could to roadblock Obama. I'm not going to be sad if they can't get tax reform done.
This is a good thing. Obama's socialism is bad for America. It hinders the principle that our country was founded on (opportunity).
11/28/2017 8:16 PM
Anyone who is for this tax cut never gets to ***** about the defecit again.

What it does to graduate students is downright criminal. It's SO WEIRD what the GOP wants to do to those in higher education. It's almost like they want an uneducated populace.

If it's so awesome, why the rush to get it through? No testimony. No commttee meetings. No normal rules of order.
We've already seen what the scoring looks like. Its amazing how important the debt was to Cons, until now. of course it wasnt important when Bush was president either. Talk about a talking point.
11/28/2017 8:36 PM (edited)
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