Pow! Too much of that certain type of kool-aid.......... Time to start ingesting more varied sources of information methinks.

Posted by bad_luck on 8/29/2017 7:00:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 8/29/2017 6:42:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 8/29/2017 5:53:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 8/29/2017 5:24:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 8/29/2017 5:09:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 8/29/2017 5:04:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 8/29/2017 3:55:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 8/29/2017 3:50:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 8/29/2017 3:00:00 PM (view original):

Posted by wylie715 on 8/29/2017 2:52:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 8/29/2017 10:45:00 AM (view original):
I find it interesting. The country has become visibly divided with the ludicrous progressives on one side and right wing conservatives on the other and they just blast one another with "fake news" facts. Meanwhile moderates just sit there and shake their heads asking both sides to please STFU.

While the Alt-Right is clearly way worse than the Prog. Leftists the Prog. Leftists are still just super annoying, uneducated buffoons for the most part.

you know, comrade, you claim to be a moderate ( and I don't really care what you claim to be or are) but you are always calling the left names like ludicrous, while the right is just right wing conservatives. Seems to me you are a little more right leaning than you say. To me both sides are ludicrous and buffoons.

Yeah, Boris went to the miket school of pretending to be in the middle.

Oh, let's at least be honest. I lean conservative. I just don't give a damn about some of the right wing staples like abortion, legalization of pot, opposition to SSM, etc, etc.

But the left on this board is largely ridiculous. When I ask what Trump's done to ruin the world, I get Paris Accord, a FCC appointee and some rambling about the environment. Which is, quite frankly, nothing. Yet day in, day out, I keep reading that we're in deep **** as long as Trump is in office. As if removing him solves all of America's problems.

Says the guy who argued Obama was the worst president in history.

Good dude, terrible President. Everything he did is being undone. Or they're working on undoing it.

Riiiiiight. And when I ask you what he did that was so terrible, you're going to give me some race bating "divisiveness" argument, talk about how he didn't work with congress, and make a bullshit argument against obamacare.

You're a joke.

How about spending like a Kardashian and tripling our deficit? How about severely straining our relationship with Israel? Pulling out of Iraq without a game plan and enabling a group like ISIS to flourish; Affordable Health Care act - need I say more?; Over regulating Banks; Allowing massive corporate inversions; Disaster in Benghazi. He did capture Bin Laddin.

He was not overly accomplished. Sorry. Mind you neither was Bush who got us into the War with Iraq that destabilized an already awful region, was asleep at the wheel for 09/11; allowed the Economy to crash due to insufficient oversight on financial institutions; failed to capture Bin Laddin; Enabled crazy Gov't bailouts.

After 16 years of these two the country voted for Trump.

---

How about spending like a Kardashian and tripling our deficit?

Um...

How about severely straining our relationship with Israel?

Netanyahu is conservative. He isn't going to like Obama regardless. But even then, Obama was good to Israel:

Over seven years, Mr. Obama has not permitted passage of any Security Council resolution specifically critical of Israel. But a careful examination of the record shows that, since 1967, every other American president allowed, or even had America vote for, Security Council resolutions taking Israel to task for actions and policies toward the Palestinians and other Arab neighbors.

Pulling out of Iraq without a game plan

Leaving Iraq was a plan that was in place before Obama took office. And a major reason he was elected was to pull out of the wars.

Affordable Health Care act - need I say more?

You shouldn't. People love it.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/207671/affordable-care-act-gains-majority-approval-first-time.aspx

http://www.businessinsider.com/public-policy-polling-gop-healthcare-bill-ahca-obamacare-popularity-2017-5

Disaster in Benghazi

Yeah, um, Obama didn't do anything wrong here. An embassy was attacked.

#1) I meant debt not deficit and the deficit was lower due to idiotic sequestration. Smart move there....
#2) Obama and Israel --- https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/obamas-final-most-shameful-legacy-moment/2016/12/29/ee04bcca-cdfc-11e6-a747-d03044780a02_story.html?utm_term=.02d7b0d55b9a.
#3) You may leave but how you leave is the difference. He is the Commander in Chief he could have kept the troops there longer don't be obtuse.
#4) AHC is terrible for small businesses. Please get a business degree. It put many out of business. If you believe it is a positive you are sadly mistaken and do not comprehend how business works. Sorry.
#5) He did in fact. He could have closed the embassy. We were the last embassy there.

Funny how you didn't address the corporate inversions and bank regulations.

I think you are the JOKE. B_L. An uneducated joke.

You claim to be some sort of financial expert but you don't understand the difference between debt and deficit? What, did MikeT teach you about government finance? Ask him about treasury bonds, too.

But should he have kept the troops there longer? Iraq didn't want us there. The American public didn't want us there.

The ACA (wtf is the AHC?) didn't put anyone out of business.

You seem to be very confused. Maybe do some reading and come back sharper tomorrow?

I am an expert and I just didn't type it correctly. Don't be a douche. Now address the fact that he tripled our debt.
Yes, longer because no one cares what civilians want once there you need ensure the region is stabilized. Many didn't want the war but Bush went in anyway. Stupidly.
BS - IT DID. Small businesses closed up shop and AHC is Affordable Health Care...semantics again don't be a douche. Do you know what "ACA" is and what requirements were placed on small business.
How am I confused don't dodge the debate by again being a douche. Still have not addressed the corporate inversions and financial regulations issue.

Face it. Under his leadership there were a lot of mistakes made. I also blasted Bush but you failed to comment on that. So you agree when a GOP POTUS makes mistakes but believe the Dem POTUS is perfect.

This is why you are a snowflake.

Posted by wylie715 on 8/29/2017 6:10:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 8/29/2017 5:04:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 8/29/2017 3:55:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 8/29/2017 3:50:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 8/29/2017 3:00:00 PM (view original):

Posted by wylie715 on 8/29/2017 2:52:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 8/29/2017 10:45:00 AM (view original):
I find it interesting. The country has become visibly divided with the ludicrous progressives on one side and right wing conservatives on the other and they just blast one another with "fake news" facts. Meanwhile moderates just sit there and shake their heads asking both sides to please STFU.

While the Alt-Right is clearly way worse than the Prog. Leftists the Prog. Leftists are still just super annoying, uneducated buffoons for the most part.

you know, comrade, you claim to be a moderate ( and I don't really care what you claim to be or are) but you are always calling the left names like ludicrous, while the right is just right wing conservatives. Seems to me you are a little more right leaning than you say. To me both sides are ludicrous and buffoons.

Yeah, Boris went to the miket school of pretending to be in the middle.

Oh, let's at least be honest. I lean conservative. I just don't give a damn about some of the right wing staples like abortion, legalization of pot, opposition to SSM, etc, etc.

But the left on this board is largely ridiculous. When I ask what Trump's done to ruin the world, I get Paris Accord, a FCC appointee and some rambling about the environment. Which is, quite frankly, nothing. Yet day in, day out, I keep reading that we're in deep **** as long as Trump is in office. As if removing him solves all of America's problems.

Says the guy who argued Obama was the worst president in history.

Good dude, terrible President. Everything he did is being undone. Or they're working on undoing it.

doesn't mean what he did was terrible, just means that the opposition party does not like what he did.

Subjective. Wylie, are you are registered Dem?

The ACA required that businesses with more than 50 employees provide coverage to the employees. Only 0.2% of businesses with over 50 employees didn't already provide healthcare coverage.

Businesses with less that 50 employees (90% of all businesses) were NOT REQUIRED TO PROVIDE HEALTHCARE.

Don't be a ******* idiot.

Also, the debt went up because we were in a ******* demand driven recession the day he took office. It wasn't a policy issue, it was a recession issue. There was no way to shrink the debt without putting the economy further into a downward spiral.

Posted by bad_luck on 8/29/2017 7:19:00 PM (view original):
The ACA required that businesses with more than 50 employees provide coverage to the employees. Only 0.2% of business with over 50 employees didn't already provide healthcare coverage.

Businesses with less that 50 employees (90% of all businesses) were NOT REQUIRED TO PROVIDE HEALTHCARE.

Don't be a ******* idiot.

You are a dip ****. It changed the definition of a full time employee. You are a stupid person and you would never swear like that to my face. Snowflake.
https://townhall.com/columnists/justinhaskins/2016/02/01/survey-shows-small-businesses-suffering-under-obamacare-n2113097

Although numerous groups are facing difficulties related to ACA, few are struggling as significantly as U.S. small businesses. According to an online survey produced by LevelFunded Health, a national health insurance agency “with a hyper-focus on Affordable Care Act ‘alternative’ employee benefit programs for the small employer market segment,” 87 percent of those small businesses who offer “group health care” saw health insurance premiums rise by 25 percent since 2014, with 12 percent seeing premium increases of 50 percent or higher.

mall businesses are at a significant disadvantage when competing against larger businesses because the latter can more easily absorb higher health insurance costs. This has led numerous small businesses to cancel their health insurance benefits completely, dumping an unknown number of employees into Obamacare exchanges. This is not only bad for the employees, it’s horrible for the businesses, who are now losing quality job applicants to large corporations that offer better benefits, according to the LevelFunded Health (LFH) poll.


You are a dumbass without an education.

Jesus christ. None of that says anything about people going out of business.

Go back to Russia, tell them that they did a good job getting Trump elected and the US is now ******.

Posted by bad_luck on 8/29/2017 7:21:00 PM (view original):
Also, the debt went up because we were in a ******* demand driven recession the day he took office. It wasn't a policy issue, it was a recession issue. There was no way to shrink the debt without putting the economy further into a downward spiral.

Yes but it increased notably under him. He needed to raise the debt ceiling, right? January 09 the national debt was at a bit less than $11Trl. we are now at nearly $20trn and look at it as a % of GDP. Not good. Some of it was due to the deficit his inherited but he didn't do anything to reduce it. It is not 100% his fault a lot of is on Bush but again under him we did nothing to help ourselves with better trade deals, fewer corporate inversions, a more favorable tax code for corporations, etc.

Posted by bad_luck on 8/29/2017 7:26:00 PM (view original):
Jesus christ. None of that says anything about people going out of business.

Go back to Russia, tell them that they did a good job getting Trump elected and the US is now ******.

Dumbass - LOL

oooohh the Xenophobic response, I am an American, my parents were LEGAL Immigrants and now American Citizens. What's next B_L are you going to insult me for being Jewish too?

Obamacare has cost roughly 300,000 small business jobs due to higher health care costs, according to a new report.

The American Action Forum, a center-right policy institute, released findings Wednesday that rising premiums and regulations under the Affordable Care Act have had "dire" consequences for the labor market.

The report found the law has cost $19 billion in lost wages per year and forced 10,000 small businesses establishments to close their doors. The study covered employers with 20 to 99 employees.

Posted by cccp1014 on 8/29/2017 7:18:00 PM (view original):

Posted by wylie715 on 8/29/2017 6:10:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 8/29/2017 5:04:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 8/29/2017 3:55:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 8/29/2017 3:50:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 8/29/2017 3:00:00 PM (view original):

Posted by wylie715 on 8/29/2017 2:52:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 8/29/2017 10:45:00 AM (view original):
I find it interesting. The country has become visibly divided with the ludicrous progressives on one side and right wing conservatives on the other and they just blast one another with "fake news" facts. Meanwhile moderates just sit there and shake their heads asking both sides to please STFU.

While the Alt-Right is clearly way worse than the Prog. Leftists the Prog. Leftists are still just super annoying, uneducated buffoons for the most part.

you know, comrade, you claim to be a moderate ( and I don't really care what you claim to be or are) but you are always calling the left names like ludicrous, while the right is just right wing conservatives. Seems to me you are a little more right leaning than you say. To me both sides are ludicrous and buffoons.

Yeah, Boris went to the miket school of pretending to be in the middle.

Oh, let's at least be honest. I lean conservative. I just don't give a damn about some of the right wing staples like abortion, legalization of pot, opposition to SSM, etc, etc.

But the left on this board is largely ridiculous. When I ask what Trump's done to ruin the world, I get Paris Accord, a FCC appointee and some rambling about the environment. Which is, quite frankly, nothing. Yet day in, day out, I keep reading that we're in deep **** as long as Trump is in office. As if removing him solves all of America's problems.

Says the guy who argued Obama was the worst president in history.

Good dude, terrible President. Everything he did is being undone. Or they're working on undoing it.

doesn't mean what he did was terrible, just means that the opposition party does not like what he did.

Subjective. Wylie, are you are registered Dem?

Yes, I am a registered Democrat. What does that have to do with anything? I'm not saying Obama was a great president, just that because when the opposition gets in power they try to undo everything he did that doesn't make him terrible. To some he was terrible, to some he was great. Like you said, its all subjective. What is not subjective is that the Red Sox suck.

Posted by cccp1014 on 8/29/2017 7:32:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 8/29/2017 7:26:00 PM (view original):
Jesus christ. None of that says anything about people going out of business.

Go back to Russia, tell them that they did a good job getting Trump elected and the US is now ******.

Dumbass - LOL

oooohh the Xenophobic response, I am an American, my parents were LEGAL Immigrants and now American Citizens. What's next B_L are you going to insult me for being Jewish too?

Obamacare has cost roughly 300,000 small business jobs due to higher health care costs, according to a new report.

The American Action Forum, a center-right policy institute, released findings Wednesday that rising premiums and regulations under the Affordable Care Act have had "dire" consequences for the labor market.

The report found the law has cost $19 billion in lost wages per year and forced 10,000 small businesses establishments to close their doors. The study covered employers with 20 to 99 employees.

So a right wing think tank came out with an estimate that the ACA is responsible for 10,000 businesses going under?

Riiiiiiight. Calling bullshit on that nonsense.

The Russian part explains why you're so interested in sucking off trump.

From Forbes

Except that it doesn’t seem to be true. Health insurance premiums have been rising for decades, almost (though not quite) as stubbornly reliable as an eastern sunrise. And it turns out that these increases actually slowed after the Affordable Care Act became law in 2010. That’s according to data collected by the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, which tracks a range of topics around spending on health care in its Medical Expenditure Panel Survey. The survey tracks the health insurance offered by private firms big and small, and in all cases, the average rate of premium growth from the time the law passed in 2010 through 2015 was actually lower than from 2004 to 2010. And premium growth was lowest for firms with fewer than 50 employees.

Hang the dirtbags...all of them. Attorneys included.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/felix-sater-possible-key-to-trump-russia-probe-faces-credibility-questions/article/2632889

This guy sounds like a real piece of ****. Death by stoning seems appropriate. Or drag him behind a car for a few hours.

The attorneys likely got rich by letting creeps like this off the hook for a fee...