Posted by ncmusician_7 on 6/26/2017 8:57:00 PM (view original):
Posted by colonels19 on 6/25/2017 10:21:00 PM (view original):
My friend has put a lot more research and work into this than you may think...I trust his estimated numbers a lot better than WIS'. I'd much rather see Bill Russell at a 110 DEF rating as opposed to a 70.

What do you think are solid/correct numbers for Russell's BPG and/or DEF ratings?
I'm ok with estimating Russell's BPG around 8, but not a defensive rating above 100.
Fair...I'd settle for 100 or at least higher 90s somewhere
6/26/2017 9:23 PM
Posted by widowmaker78 on 6/26/2017 8:51:00 PM (view original):
Posted by colonels19 on 6/25/2017 10:21:00 PM (view original):
My friend has put a lot more research and work into this than you may think...I trust his estimated numbers a lot better than WIS'. I'd much rather see Bill Russell at a 110 DEF rating as opposed to a 70.

What do you think are solid/correct numbers for Russell's BPG and/or DEF ratings?
I've always thought that WiS' estimations of Russell and his defense were a head-scratcher.
They used to be higher...at least in the 5s for BPG and maybe in the 90s for DEF ratings...not sure why they dumbed it down, or when they did it...8-10 years ago?
6/26/2017 9:25 PM
It was about 10 years ago. First, they made the switch from using per48 minutes to the advanced stats. At this point, Russell & Wilt had something like 50-60% creb% (Like Russell had seasons where he was literally 12.5% orb & 43% drb) and 6-10% blk%. Then they "got new data" *cough* ******* bullshit *cough* that brought all of their already made up numbers down.

Defense was tied to drb% for whatever reason, so literally anybody with good drb% had high defense, which capped at 96 (again, for whatever the **** reason). So when a guy like Troy Murphy's 08-09 season came out, he had 30% drb% and 96 defense. Literally as good of a defender as the great Bill Russell. He was also 100% at SF, but that's neither here nor there. After a lot of ********, they took drb% out of the defense algorithm & changed a few things, and suddenly, Bill was in the 70s every season. This is 100% tied to blk% & stl%, two stats that they completely fabricated for the time period. Both Russell & Chamberlain should be 90+ defense every season from the footage I've seen. You could literally double the number of blocks estimated fabricated, double the %s and it would probably still be low relative to what they did and their actual impact.

tl;dr: When they took drb% out of the algorithm, Russell's D plummeted due to absurdly low-balled, fabricated numbers, and when it was part of the algorithm, his D was absurdly not any better than people like Troy Murphy's & Reggie Evans because everybody had great defense.

tl;drthetl;dr: WiS made a bunch of **** up & looks ******* stupid because of it.
6/26/2017 10:24 PM
Good stuff Ash. I actually have some stats printed out from teams I had in 2003-2004 and the Bill Russell block numbers are as follows...I believe this was pre-DEF rating too btw...

58-59 Bill Russell 6.4 BPG
63-64 Bill Russell 5.8 BPG
65-66 Bill Russell 5.4 BPG
66-67 Bill Russell 4.9 BPG
68-69 Bill Russell 5.2 BPG

His block totals were in the 3s in 2008 so that would have been the latest they were that low
6/26/2017 11:40 PM (edited)
FWIW the Hockey sim also doesn't have new players.
6/27/2017 6:26 AM

SimLeague Basketball Updates

All Changes made...

06/14/2016

  • 2015-16 player adjustments for the All-Defense team have been made.

04/15/2016

  • 2015-16 players are now available

05/21/2015

  • 2014-15 player adjustments for the All-Defense team have been made.

04/17/2015

  • 2014-15 players are now available

06/10/2014

  • 2013-14 player adjustments for the All-Defense team have been made.

04/18/2014

  • 2013-14 players are now available
6/27/2017 8:03 AM
Amazing.
6/27/2017 10:54 AM
Is WIS hiring? Would love to get paid to do nothing!
6/27/2017 10:55 AM
Posted by abrondon1 on 6/27/2017 8:03:00 AM (view original):

SimLeague Basketball Updates

All Changes made...

06/14/2016

  • 2015-16 player adjustments for the All-Defense team have been made.

04/15/2016

  • 2015-16 players are now available

05/21/2015

  • 2014-15 player adjustments for the All-Defense team have been made.

04/17/2015

  • 2014-15 players are now available

06/10/2014

  • 2013-14 player adjustments for the All-Defense team have been made.

04/18/2014

  • 2013-14 players are now available

09/29/2010

  • We've finally released the player update. Details below:
    • 2009-10 players
    • New position effectiveness for all players
    • Some corrected positions
    • Updated defensive ratings for all players (although you won't notice much difference for most players)
    • New salaries for all players, intended to better balance offense and defense
    Teams in the draft center have been updated to use the new player records (with updated salaries). Completed teams in leagues that haven't been schedule yet were sent back to the draft center.
6/27/2017 12:50 PM
C'mon, WIS, even Godot is tired of waiting!

Was it the 2010 year that they gave everybody a free season or deep discount as an apology of sorts for the delay?
6/27/2017 1:54 PM
Posted by ashamael on 6/26/2017 4:09:00 PM (view original):

Support Tickets

1 pending

6/13. Today is 6/26. 13 days and they haven't even answered the ******* ticket.
the sh!tty thing about this is that it's not like you're me or someone else who is like me or was previously me - there were users who may or may not be me in the present or in the past or hypothetically or otherwise who really went in on these guys in a personal and vitriolic way - if it was me etc they were ignoring I'd understand it but it's not me, it's you and while you have been critical I've never seen you be nasty or get personal - you deserve better treatment than this sh!tty sh!t
6/27/2017 2:03 PM
Posted by copernicus on 6/27/2017 2:03:00 PM (view original):
Posted by ashamael on 6/26/2017 4:09:00 PM (view original):

Support Tickets

1 pending

6/13. Today is 6/26. 13 days and they haven't even answered the ******* ticket.
the sh!tty thing about this is that it's not like you're me or someone else who is like me or was previously me - there were users who may or may not be me in the present or in the past or hypothetically or otherwise who really went in on these guys in a personal and vitriolic way - if it was me etc they were ignoring I'd understand it but it's not me, it's you and while you have been critical I've never seen you be nasty or get personal - you deserve better treatment than this sh!tty sh!t
I actually laughed out loud when I read this. Thanks, man, for the good times.
6/27/2017 3:02 PM
This is the follow up ticket I just filed:

Two weeks.

TWO WEEKS!

Two weeks and no response to my ticket. Not even a "Thank you for playing, soon™" or a "when we feel ******* ready." No acknowledgement. I've been a customer here for a decade for ****'s sake!

The season's been over for more than 2 months. The finals for more than 2 weeks. The only thing that typically affects player seasons at all after the season is the all-defense squads, which were announced yesterday.

Still no update.
Still no response to paying customers.

You have a real ****** way of doing business.

6/27/2017 3:08 PM
Wow theyre finally out...
Thank you WIS
6/27/2017 7:02 PM
so not that great as it turns out...
6/27/2017 7:23 PM
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