Posted by wylie715 on 4/21/2017 5:22:00 PM (view original):
I have no idea. Unlike you, I can not read minds. I'd guess some people mean "blacks are not treated equally in society, and that should be addressed." I'd also guess some people mean "**** white people. blacks lives matter more."
Look, I understand. When most people say "black lives matter" they don't mean other lives don't matter. Also, when most people say "all lives matter" they are not saying there are no racial problems in this country. I can only speak for myself, but if I were to say "all lives mater" that is exactly what I mean. No life should be worth any more or less. Everyone, regardless of race, religion, sexual preference or any other category, should be treated equally. You explain to me how that makes me a racist.

You're not drinking the BLM Kool Aid. That's why it makes you a racist.

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All this talk about police killing blacks, but no talk about blacks killing blacks. I never understand that. Why are the few black deaths at the hands of police such a huge issue and a hot political topic, but blacks killing themselves at a much, much, much higher rate is seemingly never worried about?

Black Lives Matter - except when taken by another black who's a non-cop? Seriously, why the massive double-standard of concern?

I think most of us wish you did what Good Will Hunting did period just ******* disappear and don't come back

Like the thousands of black youth murdered by other black youth every year?

Oh is it "their problem"?

WTH does this even mean? You and b_l are crusading that BLM is a wonderful thing, while the rest of us are saying it's misguided because it's worrying about such a small problem when there are other related much larger ones. How does that lend itself to placing blame for any of the problems on anyone? All are societal problems, which mean they are everyone's problems and everyone's fault to some degree. The fact you tried to divert the conversion while also blaming a certain group, again shows who the racist is.

If I said anything about BLM please copy us all on it. And I'm not blaming any group.

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Posted by bad_luck on 4/21/2017 2:42:00 PM (view original):
When you hear someone say black lives matter, what do you think they mean?

The biggest problem with the BLM movement is the total lack of rationality and consistency. They treat every case where a black person dies at the hands of police equally. And they're not all equal. Some are killed by black cops. Some are killed by white cops, with black police chiefs saying it was justifiable. Some of them just plain deserved it. When a black man dies at the hands of a black cop and those cops get targeted too, then it just becomes an excuse to further an anti-police agenda - it's no longer about race at that point.

There are some pretty serious cases of cops unjustly gunning down black men (Walter Scott, Eric Garner, etc.), and those cases should be protested and brought to light. But when you lump that in with a case where a black guy points a loaded gun at, or attacks a cop and gets shot for his efforts, you lose all credibility. Case and point - Michael Brown, the one who started the recent movement. There is video footage of him committing a violent crime shortly before being killed, and there were witnesses saying he jumped the cop and tried to get his gun. But of course all you hear from his family is what an angel he was and how he didn't deserve it, and then they burn down a city. Do you think that's going to get people to take your cause seriously?

Ok, but away from the individual situations (I agree that there are times when the shooting is both justifiable and right), what's the problem with someone saying black lives matter?

What's the problem with saying "all lives matter"?

In a vacuum, nothing. As a response to someone saying "black lives matter," it's dismissive at best.

Someone is saying, "hey, here's a problem with the way society treats black people." And you're responding with, "everyone should be treated the same, why bring race into it?"

Is that what you think somebody means when they say "all lives matter"? That they are being dismissive?

If they are responding to someone saying, "black lives matter" and I'm being charitable and give them the benefit of the doubt, yes.

What do you think someone is saying when they say "black lives matter?"

You didn't answer this.

No, I haven't.

What part of "I'm not getting pulled into one of your bullshit distraction side-arguments." is confusing you?

So I guess we're done here.

Posted by wylie715 on 4/21/2017 5:22:00 PM (view original):
I have no idea. Unlike you, I can not read minds. I'd guess some people mean "blacks are not treated equally in society, and that should be addressed." I'd also guess some people mean "**** white people. blacks lives matter more."
Look, I understand. When most people say "black lives matter" they don't mean other lives don't matter. Also, when most people say "all lives matter" they are not saying there are no racial problems in this country. I can only speak for myself, but if I were to say "all lives mater" that is exactly what I mean. No life should be worth any more or less. Everyone, regardless of race, religion, sexual preference or any other category, should be treated equally. You explain to me how that makes me a racist.

I don't think it makes you racist. I don't think it's necessarily racist to say ALM. I think it's dismissive, though.

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Posted by bad_luck on 4/20/2017 1:58:00 PM (view original):
I look at it this way:

The same cop pulls over two identical white hondas. The driver of car A is black and the driver of car B is white. Both drivers behave exactly the same way. If the cop is more afraid of the black driver and therefore more likely to shoot the black driver, that's a problem, even if the shooting is justified.

It's the unsolvable problem. The racism isn't explicit. The cop isn't a KKK member, that would be easy to deal with. It's subliminaly entrenched.

You forgot to mention that nearly twice as many whites are killed by cops in any given year than blacks killed by cops.

Another moronic statement. What is the population of whites in this country versus the population of blacks? If you work in the math of incidence versus population, what are the percentages?

It's not the ratio of the general population that matters. It's the ratio of people who commit violent crimes.

You can't simply look at what groups commit violent crimes without looking at the circumstances behind that. Again not a simple statement.

Tell that to the victims of the violent crimes.

"Oh, wait, I know you're all dead and ****. Which might **** you off. But you don't really know the full circumstances."

Dumbass.

You cannot measure one group and their propensity for violent crime and compare that to another without examining the full circumstances. Again it's not that simple.

You'd be surprised to know that I can. No one is "forced" to commit violent crimes. I don't give a **** about the circumstance. It is a violent crime that one chose to commit. It was committed against another individual. I don't shed tears for criminals. Something is wrong with a society that says "Yes, he killed three people but he had a lot of bad things in his life."

That's bleeding heart bullshit. No thanks.

I don't believe I made any kind of argument about why someone should not be responsible for a violent act that they commit. What I take issue with it's when you start talking about racial or ethnic groups and making blanket comments about their propensity to do this or that when related to crime. As if it's a black or white. That doesn't mean that there aren't tendencies. But you can't say something is writing wrong in those situations without understanding the underlying reasons for it.

I think you're misunderstanding me. I don't care why someone commits a violent crime. Once they've done it, they can die on the spot as far as I'm concerned. I don't want to dissect why it happened. I'd just like them removed from planet earth so they can't do it again.

Can I do anything else to make my position more clear?

Nope. That's clear enough. And it's retarded frontier deep South bullshit. I think I'm clear on that too.

Good. I get tired of explaining to the pansy-*** population of the earth that people make choices, regardless of circumstances, and must deal with the repercussions. The ***** world we live in now requires that they're given an excuse for unacceptable behavior and that they should be given multiple chances to make right.

When your mother/wife/sister/whatever is gang-raped and killed, I want you come back and tell us that we need to know the circumstances behind it before condemning the gang-rapers/murders.

You bleeding hearts are so forgiving until it falls on your doorstep. Well, every violent crime falls on SOMEBODY'S doorstep.

Yeah yeah yeah. Again, there are problems in some communities that cause a rise in violent crime. While on an individual level people who commit these crimes and are proven guilt in a court of law should face the consequences, no on is addressing WHY that is occurring.

And no. Kill em all and let God decide isn't the answer.

If you have a rodent problem, can't you kill the rodents in place AND try to find out why they're here? Do you have to worry about the one individual rodent eating your bread?

No, you do not.

Not much I want to add to this. I'm just trying to see how thin I can stretch this thread...

Is someone keeping track of the longest reply thread?

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Posted by wylie715 on 4/21/2017 5:22:00 PM (view original):
I have no idea. Unlike you, I can not read minds. I'd guess some people mean "blacks are not treated equally in society, and that should be addressed." I'd also guess some people mean "**** white people. blacks lives matter more."
Look, I understand. When most people say "black lives matter" they don't mean other lives don't matter. Also, when most people say "all lives matter" they are not saying there are no racial problems in this country. I can only speak for myself, but if I were to say "all lives mater" that is exactly what I mean. No life should be worth any more or less. Everyone, regardless of race, religion, sexual preference or any other category, should be treated equally. You explain to me how that makes me a racist.

I don't think it makes you racist. I don't think it's necessarily racist to say ALM. I think it's dismissive, though.

what exactly am I dismissing?

Remember when we could edit quotes? What a horrible time that was. I'm sure glad WIS fixed THAT problem.

"When your mother/wife/sister/whatever is gang-raped, I want you to come back and tell us that it was really her fault for wearing a short skirt or for staying out late or for having a couple drinks at the bar that night."

This might be the stupidest thing in this thread. How is this even close to an appropriate response to saying violent rapists should be punished, regardless of their personal circumstances?

Liberals are far too concerned with the rights of criminals. Once you commit a violent crime, you SHOULD lose a few rights. There are some prisoners who live better and get access to more perks than free, honest, innocent people.

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Remember when we could edit quotes? What a horrible time that was. I'm sure glad WIS fixed THAT problem. I like boners. Big fat boners.

For sure.

Posted by Jtpsops on 4/21/2017 7:04:00 PM (view original):
"When your mother/wife/sister/whatever is gang-raped, I want you to come back and tell us that it was really her fault for wearing a short skirt or for staying out late or for having a couple drinks at the bar that night."

This might be the stupidest thing in this thread. How is this even close to an appropriate response to saying violent rapists should be punished, regardless of their personal circumstances?

Liberals are far too concerned with the rights of criminals. Once you commit a violent crime, you SHOULD lose a few rights. There are some prisoners who live better and get access to more perks than free, honest, innocent people.

The argument, at least from me, isn't that criminals shouldn't be punished. It's that people accused of a crime have a right to due process.

Some people killed by police are not criminals but victims. Yet mike loves to come up with every excuse as to why it's the victims fault they were killed.

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Posted by wylie715 on 4/21/2017 5:22:00 PM (view original):
I have no idea. Unlike you, I can not read minds. I'd guess some people mean "blacks are not treated equally in society, and that should be addressed." I'd also guess some people mean "**** white people. blacks lives matter more."
Look, I understand. When most people say "black lives matter" they don't mean other lives don't matter. Also, when most people say "all lives matter" they are not saying there are no racial problems in this country. I can only speak for myself, but if I were to say "all lives mater" that is exactly what I mean. No life should be worth any more or less. Everyone, regardless of race, religion, sexual preference or any other category, should be treated equally. You explain to me how that makes me a racist.

I don't think it makes you racist. I don't think it's necessarily racist to say ALM. I think it's dismissive, though.

what exactly am I dismissing?

Good question.

This should be interesting.

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Posted by wylie715 on 4/21/2017 5:22:00 PM (view original):
I have no idea. Unlike you, I can not read minds. I'd guess some people mean "blacks are not treated equally in society, and that should be addressed." I'd also guess some people mean "**** white people. blacks lives matter more."
Look, I understand. When most people say "black lives matter" they don't mean other lives don't matter. Also, when most people say "all lives matter" they are not saying there are no racial problems in this country. I can only speak for myself, but if I were to say "all lives mater" that is exactly what I mean. No life should be worth any more or less. Everyone, regardless of race, religion, sexual preference or any other category, should be treated equally. You explain to me how that makes me a racist.

I don't think it makes you racist. I don't think it's necessarily racist to say ALM. I think it's dismissive, though.

what exactly am I dismissing?

When someone says "black lives matter," do you respond with "all lives matter?"

If the answer to that question is no, then you aren't being dismissive and my comment doesn't apply to you.

What if you DO respond with "all lives matter."

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Posted by wylie715 on 4/21/2017 5:22:00 PM (view original):
I have no idea. Unlike you, I can not read minds. I'd guess some people mean "blacks are not treated equally in society, and that should be addressed." I'd also guess some people mean "**** white people. blacks lives matter more."
Look, I understand. When most people say "black lives matter" they don't mean other lives don't matter. Also, when most people say "all lives matter" they are not saying there are no racial problems in this country. I can only speak for myself, but if I were to say "all lives mater" that is exactly what I mean. No life should be worth any more or less. Everyone, regardless of race, religion, sexual preference or any other category, should be treated equally. You explain to me how that makes me a racist.

I don't think it makes you racist. I don't think it's necessarily racist to say ALM. I think it's dismissive, though.

what exactly am I dismissing?

When someone says "black lives matter," do you respond with "all lives matter?"

If the answer to that question is no, then you aren't being dismissive and my comment doesn't apply to you.

so, if by chance I do respond that way, what exactly am I dismissing?

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Posted by wylie715 on 4/21/2017 5:22:00 PM (view original):
I have no idea. Unlike you, I can not read minds. I'd guess some people mean "blacks are not treated equally in society, and that should be addressed." I'd also guess some people mean "**** white people. blacks lives matter more."
Look, I understand. When most people say "black lives matter" they don't mean other lives don't matter. Also, when most people say "all lives matter" they are not saying there are no racial problems in this country. I can only speak for myself, but if I were to say "all lives mater" that is exactly what I mean. No life should be worth any more or less. Everyone, regardless of race, religion, sexual preference or any other category, should be treated equally. You explain to me how that makes me a racist.

I don't think it makes you racist. I don't think it's necessarily racist to say ALM. I think it's dismissive, though.

what exactly am I dismissing?

When someone says "black lives matter," do you respond with "all lives matter?"

If the answer to that question is no, then you aren't being dismissive and my comment doesn't apply to you.

so, if by chance I do respond that way, what exactly am I dismissing?

Saying black lives matter is expressing concern for a specific problem faced by a specific group. Saying all lives matter in response reframes the discussion and removes focus from the specific grievance of blacks.

It would be like if you said "pray for NY" after 9/11 and I responded with, "all cities need prayers."