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When you hear someone say black lives matter, what do you think they mean?

Tec?

I'm talking about ALM. I'm not getting pulled into one of your bullshit distraction side-arguments.

It's two sides to the same coin. You said my interpretation of all lives matter was wrong. What's your interpretation of black lives matter?

What part of "I'm not getting pulled into one of your bullshit distraction side-arguments." is confusing you?

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Posted by bad_luck on 4/21/2017 2:42:00 PM (view original):
When you hear someone say black lives matter, what do you think they mean?

The biggest problem with the BLM movement is the total lack of rationality and consistency. They treat every case where a black person dies at the hands of police equally. And they're not all equal. Some are killed by black cops. Some are killed by white cops, with black police chiefs saying it was justifiable. Some of them just plain deserved it. When a black man dies at the hands of a black cop and those cops get targeted too, then it just becomes an excuse to further an anti-police agenda - it's no longer about race at that point.

There are some pretty serious cases of cops unjustly gunning down black men (Walter Scott, Eric Garner, etc.), and those cases should be protested and brought to light. But when you lump that in with a case where a black guy points a loaded gun at, or attacks a cop and gets shot for his efforts, you lose all credibility. Case and point - Michael Brown, the one who started the recent movement. There is video footage of him committing a violent crime shortly before being killed, and there were witnesses saying he jumped the cop and tried to get his gun. But of course all you hear from his family is what an angel he was and how he didn't deserve it, and then they burn down a city. Do you think that's going to get people to take your cause seriously?

Ok, but away from the individual situations (I agree that there are times when the shooting is both justifiable and right), what's the problem with someone saying black lives matter?

What's the problem with saying "all lives matter"?

Posted by bad_luck on 4/21/2017 4:15:00 PM (view original):

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Posted by bad_luck on 4/21/2017 2:42:00 PM (view original):
When you hear someone say black lives matter, what do you think they mean?

The biggest problem with the BLM movement is the total lack of rationality and consistency. They treat every case where a black person dies at the hands of police equally. And they're not all equal. Some are killed by black cops. Some are killed by white cops, with black police chiefs saying it was justifiable. Some of them just plain deserved it. When a black man dies at the hands of a black cop and those cops get targeted too, then it just becomes an excuse to further an anti-police agenda - it's no longer about race at that point.

There are some pretty serious cases of cops unjustly gunning down black men (Walter Scott, Eric Garner, etc.), and those cases should be protested and brought to light. But when you lump that in with a case where a black guy points a loaded gun at, or attacks a cop and gets shot for his efforts, you lose all credibility. Case and point - Michael Brown, the one who started the recent movement. There is video footage of him committing a violent crime shortly before being killed, and there were witnesses saying he jumped the cop and tried to get his gun. But of course all you hear from his family is what an angel he was and how he didn't deserve it, and then they burn down a city. Do you think that's going to get people to take your cause seriously?

Ok, but away from the individual situations (I agree that there are times when the shooting is both justifiable and right), what's the problem with someone saying black lives matter?

General speaking, nothing.

But saying it in context of the BLM movement is a problem to me because they don't apply it rationally. There is definitely real racism in the world, but they actively create a lot more racism in places where it doesn't exist. If they could actually pick their battles and focus on cases of real racism, they'd get a much more empathetic reaction from people.

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Posted by bad_luck on 4/20/2017 1:58:00 PM (view original):
I look at it this way:

The same cop pulls over two identical white hondas. The driver of car A is black and the driver of car B is white. Both drivers behave exactly the same way. If the cop is more afraid of the black driver and therefore more likely to shoot the black driver, that's a problem, even if the shooting is justified.

It's the unsolvable problem. The racism isn't explicit. The cop isn't a KKK member, that would be easy to deal with. It's subliminaly entrenched.

You forgot to mention that nearly twice as many whites are killed by cops in any given year than blacks killed by cops.

Another moronic statement. What is the population of whites in this country versus the population of blacks? If you work in the math of incidence versus population, what are the percentages?

It's not the ratio of the general population that matters. It's the ratio of people who commit violent crimes.

You can't simply look at what groups commit violent crimes without looking at the circumstances behind that. Again not a simple statement.

Tell that to the victims of the violent crimes.

"Oh, wait, I know you're all dead and ****. Which might **** you off. But you don't really know the full circumstances."

Dumbass.

You cannot measure one group and their propensity for violent crime and compare that to another without examining the full circumstances. Again it's not that simple.

You'd be surprised to know that I can. No one is "forced" to commit violent crimes. I don't give a **** about the circumstance. It is a violent crime that one chose to commit. It was committed against another individual. I don't shed tears for criminals. Something is wrong with a society that says "Yes, he killed three people but he had a lot of bad things in his life."

That's bleeding heart bullshit. No thanks.

I don't believe I made any kind of argument about why someone should not be responsible for a violent act that they commit. What I take issue with it's when you start talking about racial or ethnic groups and making blanket comments about their propensity to do this or that when related to crime. As if it's a black or white. That doesn't mean that there aren't tendencies. But you can't say something is writing wrong in those situations without understanding the underlying reasons for it.

I think you're misunderstanding me. I don't care why someone commits a violent crime. Once they've done it, they can die on the spot as far as I'm concerned. I don't want to dissect why it happened. I'd just like them removed from planet earth so they can't do it again.

Can I do anything else to make my position more clear?

Nope. That's clear enough. And it's retarded frontier deep South bullshit. I think I'm clear on that too.

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Posted by bad_luck on 4/21/2017 2:42:00 PM (view original):
When you hear someone say black lives matter, what do you think they mean?

Tec?

I'm talking about ALM. I'm not getting pulled into one of your bullshit distraction side-arguments.

It's two sides to the same coin. You said my interpretation of all lives matter was wrong. What's your interpretation of black lives matter?

What part of "I'm not getting pulled into one of your bullshit distraction side-arguments." is confusing you?

The part where you keep responding.

When someone writes a post that I know will lead to a tangent I'm not interested in going down, I ignore it.

Posted by toddcommish on 4/20/2017 10:45:00 PM (view original):
ONE GUY?!

That's your argument?!

One guy we actually heard of.

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Posted by bad_luck on 4/21/2017 2:42:00 PM (view original):
When you hear someone say black lives matter, what do you think they mean?

The biggest problem with the BLM movement is the total lack of rationality and consistency. They treat every case where a black person dies at the hands of police equally. And they're not all equal. Some are killed by black cops. Some are killed by white cops, with black police chiefs saying it was justifiable. Some of them just plain deserved it. When a black man dies at the hands of a black cop and those cops get targeted too, then it just becomes an excuse to further an anti-police agenda - it's no longer about race at that point.

There are some pretty serious cases of cops unjustly gunning down black men (Walter Scott, Eric Garner, etc.), and those cases should be protested and brought to light. But when you lump that in with a case where a black guy points a loaded gun at, or attacks a cop and gets shot for his efforts, you lose all credibility. Case and point - Michael Brown, the one who started the recent movement. There is video footage of him committing a violent crime shortly before being killed, and there were witnesses saying he jumped the cop and tried to get his gun. But of course all you hear from his family is what an angel he was and how he didn't deserve it, and then they burn down a city. Do you think that's going to get people to take your cause seriously?

Ok, but away from the individual situations (I agree that there are times when the shooting is both justifiable and right), what's the problem with someone saying black lives matter?

What's the problem with saying "all lives matter"?

In a vacuum, nothing. As a response to someone saying "black lives matter," it's dismissive at best.

Someone is saying, "hey, here's a problem with the way society treats black people." And you're responding with, "everyone should be treated the same, why bring race into it?"

Posted by all3 on 4/21/2017 9:26:00 AM (view original):
All this talk about police killing blacks, but no talk about blacks killing blacks. I never understand that. Why are the few black deaths at the hands of police such a huge issue and a hot political topic, but blacks killing themselves at a much, much, much higher rate is seemingly never worried about?

Black Lives Matter - except when taken by another black who's a non-cop? Seriously, why the massive double-standard of concern?

I think most of us wish you did what Good Will Hunting did period just ******* disappear and don't come back

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Posted by bad_luck on 4/21/2017 2:42:00 PM (view original):
When you hear someone say black lives matter, what do you think they mean?

The biggest problem with the BLM movement is the total lack of rationality and consistency. They treat every case where a black person dies at the hands of police equally. And they're not all equal. Some are killed by black cops. Some are killed by white cops, with black police chiefs saying it was justifiable. Some of them just plain deserved it. When a black man dies at the hands of a black cop and those cops get targeted too, then it just becomes an excuse to further an anti-police agenda - it's no longer about race at that point.

There are some pretty serious cases of cops unjustly gunning down black men (Walter Scott, Eric Garner, etc.), and those cases should be protested and brought to light. But when you lump that in with a case where a black guy points a loaded gun at, or attacks a cop and gets shot for his efforts, you lose all credibility. Case and point - Michael Brown, the one who started the recent movement. There is video footage of him committing a violent crime shortly before being killed, and there were witnesses saying he jumped the cop and tried to get his gun. But of course all you hear from his family is what an angel he was and how he didn't deserve it, and then they burn down a city. Do you think that's going to get people to take your cause seriously?

Ok, but away from the individual situations (I agree that there are times when the shooting is both justifiable and right), what's the problem with someone saying black lives matter?

General speaking, nothing.

But saying it in context of the BLM movement is a problem to me because they don't apply it rationally. There is definitely real racism in the world, but they actively create a lot more racism in places where it doesn't exist. If they could actually pick their battles and focus on cases of real racism, they'd get a much more empathetic reaction from people.

BLM isn't a monolith. There isn't one person (or one group of people) deciding what other black people will get mad about.

There isn't a "they" to pick their battles. There are just people who get mad about one thing and other people who get mad about something else.

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Posted by bad_luck on 4/20/2017 1:58:00 PM (view original):
I look at it this way:

The same cop pulls over two identical white hondas. The driver of car A is black and the driver of car B is white. Both drivers behave exactly the same way. If the cop is more afraid of the black driver and therefore more likely to shoot the black driver, that's a problem, even if the shooting is justified.

It's the unsolvable problem. The racism isn't explicit. The cop isn't a KKK member, that would be easy to deal with. It's subliminaly entrenched.

You forgot to mention that nearly twice as many whites are killed by cops in any given year than blacks killed by cops.

Another moronic statement. What is the population of whites in this country versus the population of blacks? If you work in the math of incidence versus population, what are the percentages?

It's not the ratio of the general population that matters. It's the ratio of people who commit violent crimes.

You can't simply look at what groups commit violent crimes without looking at the circumstances behind that. Again not a simple statement.

Tell that to the victims of the violent crimes.

"Oh, wait, I know you're all dead and ****. Which might **** you off. But you don't really know the full circumstances."

Dumbass.

You cannot measure one group and their propensity for violent crime and compare that to another without examining the full circumstances. Again it's not that simple.

You'd be surprised to know that I can. No one is "forced" to commit violent crimes. I don't give a **** about the circumstance. It is a violent crime that one chose to commit. It was committed against another individual. I don't shed tears for criminals. Something is wrong with a society that says "Yes, he killed three people but he had a lot of bad things in his life."

That's bleeding heart bullshit. No thanks.

I don't believe I made any kind of argument about why someone should not be responsible for a violent act that they commit. What I take issue with it's when you start talking about racial or ethnic groups and making blanket comments about their propensity to do this or that when related to crime. As if it's a black or white. That doesn't mean that there aren't tendencies. But you can't say something is writing wrong in those situations without understanding the underlying reasons for it.

I think you're misunderstanding me. I don't care why someone commits a violent crime. Once they've done it, they can die on the spot as far as I'm concerned. I don't want to dissect why it happened. I'd just like them removed from planet earth so they can't do it again.

Can I do anything else to make my position more clear?

Nope. That's clear enough. And it's retarded frontier deep South bullshit. I think I'm clear on that too.

Good. I get tired of explaining to the pansy-*** population of the earth that people make choices, regardless of circumstances, and must deal with the repercussions. The ***** world we live in now requires that they're given an excuse for unacceptable behavior and that they should be given multiple chances to make right.

When your mother/wife/sister/whatever is gang-raped and killed, I want you come back and tell us that we need to know the circumstances behind it before condemning the gang-rapers/murders.

You bleeding hearts are so forgiving until it falls on your doorstep. Well, every violent crime falls on SOMEBODY'S doorstep.

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Posted by MikeT23 on 4/21/2017 3:09:00 PM (view original):
That if I get shot holding a BB gun in Wal-Mart that they don't give a ****. Do you think they'd run a protest in my honor?

BL(M)?

Hello?

b_l's more worried about crusading to stop a couple dozen accidental shooting deaths than he is about stopping a couple thousand planned murders. If he, and others like him, would put the same time, effort, and funding into crusading to get blacks to stop premeditatedly murdering other blacks as they put into blowing the accidents out of proportion, maybe they'd actually make a difference.

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Posted by bad_luck on 4/20/2017 1:58:00 PM (view original):
I look at it this way:

The same cop pulls over two identical white hondas. The driver of car A is black and the driver of car B is white. Both drivers behave exactly the same way. If the cop is more afraid of the black driver and therefore more likely to shoot the black driver, that's a problem, even if the shooting is justified.

It's the unsolvable problem. The racism isn't explicit. The cop isn't a KKK member, that would be easy to deal with. It's subliminaly entrenched.

You forgot to mention that nearly twice as many whites are killed by cops in any given year than blacks killed by cops.

Another moronic statement. What is the population of whites in this country versus the population of blacks? If you work in the math of incidence versus population, what are the percentages?

It's not the ratio of the general population that matters. It's the ratio of people who commit violent crimes.

You can't simply look at what groups commit violent crimes without looking at the circumstances behind that. Again not a simple statement.

Tell that to the victims of the violent crimes.

"Oh, wait, I know you're all dead and ****. Which might **** you off. But you don't really know the full circumstances."

Dumbass.

You cannot measure one group and their propensity for violent crime and compare that to another without examining the full circumstances. Again it's not that simple.

You'd be surprised to know that I can. No one is "forced" to commit violent crimes. I don't give a **** about the circumstance. It is a violent crime that one chose to commit. It was committed against another individual. I don't shed tears for criminals. Something is wrong with a society that says "Yes, he killed three people but he had a lot of bad things in his life."

That's bleeding heart bullshit. No thanks.

I don't believe I made any kind of argument about why someone should not be responsible for a violent act that they commit. What I take issue with it's when you start talking about racial or ethnic groups and making blanket comments about their propensity to do this or that when related to crime. As if it's a black or white. That doesn't mean that there aren't tendencies. But you can't say something is writing wrong in those situations without understanding the underlying reasons for it.

I think you're misunderstanding me. I don't care why someone commits a violent crime. Once they've done it, they can die on the spot as far as I'm concerned. I don't want to dissect why it happened. I'd just like them removed from planet earth so they can't do it again.

Can I do anything else to make my position more clear?

Nope. That's clear enough. And it's retarded frontier deep South bullshit. I think I'm clear on that too.

Good. I get tired of explaining to the pansy-*** population of the earth that people make choices, regardless of circumstances, and must deal with the repercussions. The ***** world we live in now requires that they're given an excuse for unacceptable behavior and that they should be given multiple chances to make right.

When your mother/wife/sister/whatever is gang-raped and killed, I want you come back and tell us that we need to know the circumstances behind it before condemning the gang-rapers/murders.

You bleeding hearts are so forgiving until it falls on your doorstep. Well, every violent crime falls on SOMEBODY'S doorstep.

When your mother/wife/sister/whatever is gang-raped, I want you to come back and tell us that it was really her fault for wearing a short skirt or for staying out late or for having a couple drinks at the bar that night.

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Posted by MikeT23 on 4/21/2017 3:09:00 PM (view original):
That if I get shot holding a BB gun in Wal-Mart that they don't give a ****. Do you think they'd run a protest in my honor?

BL(M)?

Hello?

You're white. Cops wouldn't shoot you for holding a BB gun.

Posted by bad_luck on 4/21/2017 4:32:00 PM (view original):

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Posted by MikeT23 on 4/21/2017 3:09:00 PM (view original):
That if I get shot holding a BB gun in Wal-Mart that they don't give a ****. Do you think they'd run a protest in my honor?

BL(M)?

Hello?

You're white. Cops wouldn't shoot you for holding a BB gun.

We're playing pretend. Would BLM give a **** if I got blown away in Wal-Mart? Would ALM? Of course not. I'm not the agenda.