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"The BOOK was created by Men...............for their OWN purposes, not God's!!"

IF you are referring to my above (re-quoted) words as my "last paragraph" I absolutely stand by them and really don't understand how that would upset you are anyone else Matt.

Everyone knows the who, how, and most of the History of the compilation and printing of the King James Version.
Are you espousing we take each and every word in the King James version of the Bible literally?
As fact? As a Truthful and complete recording of actual happenings?

I, as far as I can tell from a re-read of my post, did not demean your faith or belief system at all. Don't even know what your "faith" is, actually.
But I did, quite clearly condemn that with which I was raised. The "church" in which I was compelled by the mysteries of genealogy to attend.
I didn't mention the denomination. Perhaps I should have.
The specific reason I did not is that I did NOT want to condemn all the people who attend some church within that denomination somewhere...........though I do question their enlightenment, assuming they actually KNOW what the denomination espouses and the damage done by its historical existence.

I'll also cop to a near total bewilderment with the spiritual realm.
I do try and stay in the real, the physical, the day to day, so to speak.
Walk softly, try and walk in Beauty.

Maybe I misunderstand you.
Was it my usage of the term "parable" in reference to lnf's depiction of Armageddon that offended you?
At any rate I meant no personal affront to your belief system, no matter how goofy.
Only the one with which I was "blessed" to be born into.

Merry Christmas.
Try and walk in Beauty not condemnation...........after all, this is Your Season, is it not?

12/19/2022 11:21 AM (edited)
laramiebob
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Matt. Final point.

I was NOT referring top YOUR belief as goofy, merely extending the expression to all others.

I WAS being sarcastic with my usage of the term "blessed" with my own (personal) reference.

Merry Christmas!
Keep thy faith.
Walk in Beauty.

Edited to add the:
P.S. Don't read more into "terms'" than needed. Meaning, sorry you took the term "goofy" personally. It wasn't meant that way!
12/19/2022 12:55 PM (edited)
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Posted by laramiebob on 12/19/2022 11:15:00 AM (view original):
WOWEE!!

I used to hear this preached from the pulpit of my own church nearly every week.
It IS scaremongering at the highest level.
It IS also the way some folks actually believe.

It IS also complete hogwash IMO.
It IS why I left my home Church.

The purpose of this Biblical parable is to control the fearful, like so many of the "parables" and so much of the verbiage in that man-translated book we call the King James "version" of the supposed Word of God.
Think just a minute. Do you think a God would have spoken/written/commanded the numerous instances within that Book wherein the WORDS are NOT compatible with humanity, truth, or Scientific Knowledge??

Any God would NOT make mistakes.
There are so many "mistakes" on Earth and in Biblical global history that is related in those pages that counting them would be a task.
The Bible is CLEARLY a work of MAN. Any God would have had NO NEED to have it written out. ANY God could speak directly to mankind's hearts and minds. No Book necessary.

The BOOK was created by Men...............for their OWN purposes, not God's!!
All scripture is inspired by God.

Wait a few years and then remember you heard this 'hogwash'
12/21/2022 4:03 AM
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I will agree that all the MEN who compiled the Bible "claimed" spiritual inspiration............................so did Charlie Manson!
12/21/2022 7:57 AM
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Can you not understand how utterly ridiculous it looks to a non believer when you point to the Bible as proof of the Bible's authenticity?

It is a well-accepted fact that the King James Bible was altered to fit the Christian narrative (obviously not by Christians...).
Here is a quote from Wikipedia's entry on the KJV "For their Old Testament, the translators used a text originating in the editions of the Hebrew Rabbinic Bible by Daniel Bomberg (1524/5), but adjusted this to conform to the Greek LXX or Latin Vulgate in passages to which Christian tradition had attached a Christological interpretation. For example, the Septuagint reading "They pierced my hands and my feet" was used in Psalm 22:16 (vs. the Masoretes' reading of the Hebrew "like lions my hands and feet)."

Whether or not all scripture is inspired is a fairly complex discussion. Firstly, what is scripture?

ALL of the books in our current Bible which omits several books found in the Catholic version?

MEN decided which writings would be omitted and which would remain.

The Catholic Canon around the year 350 or 400, and remained until the reformation and the Council of Trent (mid 1500s). Still several Eastern Orthodox churches added even more books they consider Canon.

God wouldn't have inspired so many different Canons and the inevitable confusion and rifts that came about due to them would he?
12/21/2022 10:06 AM
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Matt. Please weigh in (for me) on the "claim"/fact that Jesus had siblings. A couple of bros and a couple of sisters. Apparently the actual names of 2(?) of the brothers are known. I had never heard of this in all my years (until recently).............what say you?
12/21/2022 10:30 AM (edited)
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"...for what he gave us to write down."

What? does this mean? US??
What do you mean, us?
A select few white men? What?

Why is it always us? What makes us so daggone special?
Why not them?
Why isn't their spirituality as good as ours/yours/mine?

It's arrogance. Pure and simple.
And that kind of thinking was the primary cause of OUR inability to learn from those who came before.
And what dooms us to self-destruction.

IMO, of course.
12/21/2022 10:28 AM
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Posted by Mwett on 12/21/2022 10:46:00 AM (view original):

Bible was altered to fit the Christian narrative (obviously not by Christians...).

Thanx for including end tag; very fair of you. It's tough enough when doubters or worse fight our whataboutisms for us.

I subscribe to the melting pot of Christian Protestantism which unfortunately and routinely is pointed at by others as having enough of its own in-fighting with different denominations. What I haven't and won't at this time is introduce Catholicism into the mix which is part of what you reference. Completely different ballgame which adds to the confusion. While there's many good Catholic people (as there are in many other beliefs) and some do claim Christ, corporately and led by their heads of state even while initially having good intentions, turns out to be a disservice of apples Christ from the heart to oranges by deeds and works. When people talk about walking away from the church, how many happy Christians do you come across relatively speaking compared to generally stern and gloomy Catholics ?
You edited the quote...

It is a well-accepted fact that the King James Bible was altered to fit the Christian narrative (obviously not by Christians...).

When I say (obviously not by Christians) I mean to say while it is a well-established fact, obviously this is not well-accepted among Christians.

I 100% disagree with the concept that having honest, civil discourse concerning the Bible while non-believers are "in the room" is inherently bad.

I think one of the things that drive non-believers away more than almost any other single item is the refusal of "Christians" to intelligently discuss legitimate and well reasoned objections they have concerning the Bible, it's authenticity, and (real or imagined) contradictions and inconsistencies.
12/21/2022 11:09 AM
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Posted by Mwett on 12/21/2022 11:47:00 AM (view original):
Honest civil discourse is what I offered, yet by its definition is something that's not of interest by more than a few in this forum, nor my Christ, only in attempting to trick or trip us up. But knock yourself out with a merry seminary festival but I already know it'll lead to nowhere but a lot of dumb disagreements like everything else around here and 0 prospects of actually winning or flipping anyone. I have enough Bible study in my life with like-minded individuals not trying to tear each other down but edify and build each other up to not have to fight the lnf or doug fight with those nowhere remotely near interested in honesty and civility.
Why must any debate/friendly discussion be about "lead(ing) somewhere", which I can only imagine means you successfully converting a sinner.
Why can't the enlightenment be enough, be a good result?

My question to you about Jesus bros and sisters wasn't bait. It was a sincere question about lineage. I recently learned that the DNA obtained (somehow) from the Shroud of Turan (sp?) is NOT Jewish. In matter of fact it is Druze. One explanation of this would be that a sister of Jesus married into the Druze.

Other, more obvious, explanations would be, Jesus was Druze?
The Shroud is fake? The individual wrapped with the shroud was NOT Jesus?

Less obvious explanations are numerous.
One of Jesus "family members" (brother or nephew?) was named Judas.
How crazy is that?
12/21/2022 12:47 PM
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Yall my family is very Christian and I gotta say the Bible isn't the word of God, and biblical literalism is really, really dumb. Most of genesis is metaphor. It's very obvious. Come on, guys.
12/21/2022 1:51 PM
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Posted by Mwett on 12/21/2022 10:58:00 AM (view original):
Posted by laramiebob on 12/21/2022 10:28:00 AM (view original):
"...for what he gave us to write down."

What? does this mean? US??
What do you mean, us?
A select few white men? What?

Why is it always us? What makes us so daggone special?
Why not them?
Why isn't their spirituality as good as ours/yours/mine?

It's arrogance. Pure and simple.
And that kind of thinking was the primary cause of OUR inability to learn from those who came before.
And what dooms us to self-destruction.

IMO, of course.
"Us" being I believe original believers, who based on their geography probly weren't white. Jesus probly wasn't either and I and many who are of all the different worldwide colors are ok with that. Who said anything about race ? I'd suggest you be reeeeaaally careful right about now . . .
Lefties, I have a new commandment for you. STOP making every comment a racist thing. it gets tiring

and have a very Merry Christmas
12/25/2022 12:50 AM
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Jesus had 4 brothers, and they were named James, Joseph, Simon, and Judas (Not Judas Iscariot)

12/25/2022 12:53 AM
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Posted by tangplay on 12/21/2022 1:51:00 PM (view original):
Yall my family is very Christian and I gotta say the Bible isn't the word of God, and biblical literalism is really, really dumb. Most of genesis is metaphor. It's very obvious. Come on, guys.
All scripture is inspired of God. ..

It even describes the world we currently live in.. as we are at the door of the last days

You were wrongly taught.

Eg: It tells us man is sinful, by his natural nature. Pick up the latest newspaper and try to convince yourself that aint so. I says we are power hungry ego maniacs and we want to be worshipped. It says we are rebellious by nature. It also says we are lost. It also says we cannot save ourselves.. no matter how hard we try. It then tells us that Jesus Christ has paid the full penalty for your sin, and believe on him, he will give you everlasting life.

You get to choose your place in eternity. Which do you prefer? Death, and separation from God forever, or LIFE?? Forever in his presence.

I wasn't going to say that, but there y go

Once again, Merry Christmas

What determines if a family is a Christian family? Please don't say 'Because they are all Baptists, or all Catholic,' or etc
12/25/2022 1:01 AM
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