Trump: Worst President Ever? Topic

Lol. Chunkabee Sanders defended the non factual **** Trump retweeted from the white trash. "Whether it's real or not" lol
11/29/2017 8:06 PM
Posted by bad_luck on 11/29/2017 9:59:00 AM (view original):
Posted by strikeout26 on 11/28/2017 9:21:00 PM (view original):
A) I'll agree with that. 429 pages is a lot. I wasn't saying actually read the whole bill, but there are plenty of cliff notes versions that are straight fact without a lean left or right

B) this is not a myth. There may be a few exceptions of single people with no kids that pay some, but quite a few of those have plenty of other deductions that keep them from paying any taxes. The current rate for that bracket is $1800 + 15% after $18,000 which is not very much and pretty easy to get to $0 with all of the deductions.

C and D) I'll cover in a second.

E) I'm indifferent to an inheritance tax. It brings in little revenue.

F) Obama is a socialist. He is for wealth redistribution. He just doesn't call it that. It was out of place for me to call you a socialist. We haven't discussed economics enough, but you have mentioned higher taxes on the wealthy many times which would indicate a socialist. That is wealth redistribution regardless of how you label it.

G) you know as well as me that most deductions, whether introduced by the left or right are not for societal benefits. They are for pandering. I agree that some benefit society, but nobody is entitled to any of them.
B) It is a myth. Not only did the exact figure that was cited (something like 48%) include students and retirees, but it was a spike due to the recession and has gone down significantly since then.

F) We have a progressive income tax system in the US. Arguing that it should be adjusted is not socialism. Think of it this way, we have two large, important programs (Medicare and Social Security) that are very clearly socialist. But arguing that those programs should not be eliminated or should be improved does not make the person arguing a socialist.
B) $58000 - US median household income
Taxes=1855+15% of $39449 = $7,772.35
Standard deduction = $12,600
$7,772.35 - $12,600 = -$4,827.65

How are the bottom 50% paying taxes? I'm missing the myth?

F) We'll agree to disagree as it's a matter of opinion and we'll just keep going around in circles.
11/29/2017 8:29 PM
Posted by strikeout26 on 11/29/2017 8:29:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 11/29/2017 9:59:00 AM (view original):
Posted by strikeout26 on 11/28/2017 9:21:00 PM (view original):
A) I'll agree with that. 429 pages is a lot. I wasn't saying actually read the whole bill, but there are plenty of cliff notes versions that are straight fact without a lean left or right

B) this is not a myth. There may be a few exceptions of single people with no kids that pay some, but quite a few of those have plenty of other deductions that keep them from paying any taxes. The current rate for that bracket is $1800 + 15% after $18,000 which is not very much and pretty easy to get to $0 with all of the deductions.

C and D) I'll cover in a second.

E) I'm indifferent to an inheritance tax. It brings in little revenue.

F) Obama is a socialist. He is for wealth redistribution. He just doesn't call it that. It was out of place for me to call you a socialist. We haven't discussed economics enough, but you have mentioned higher taxes on the wealthy many times which would indicate a socialist. That is wealth redistribution regardless of how you label it.

G) you know as well as me that most deductions, whether introduced by the left or right are not for societal benefits. They are for pandering. I agree that some benefit society, but nobody is entitled to any of them.
B) It is a myth. Not only did the exact figure that was cited (something like 48%) include students and retirees, but it was a spike due to the recession and has gone down significantly since then.

F) We have a progressive income tax system in the US. Arguing that it should be adjusted is not socialism. Think of it this way, we have two large, important programs (Medicare and Social Security) that are very clearly socialist. But arguing that those programs should not be eliminated or should be improved does not make the person arguing a socialist.
B) $58000 - US median household income
Taxes=1855+15% of $39449 = $7,772.35
Standard deduction = $12,600
$7,772.35 - $12,600 = -$4,827.65

How are the bottom 50% paying taxes? I'm missing the myth?

F) We'll agree to disagree as it's a matter of opinion and we'll just keep going around in circles.
B) that’s not how the standard deduction works.

Gross income 58,000
minus married deduction 46000
then tax calculated 1865 + 15%*27000 = ~6000

It’s an income deduction, not a tax credit.

edit: I over simplified and left off personal exemptions, but those are deductions too, not credits.

11/29/2017 8:44 PM (edited)
Okay, You're right. It's a "deduction." I don't know what the hell I was thinking.
11/29/2017 8:45 PM
ANOTHER GREAT DAY FOR TRUMP

WIN WIN WIN

SO TIRED OF WINNING

MEANWHILE: The war on women has blown up in the faces of liberal nation. Who's next?
11/29/2017 9:14 PM
Posted by bad_luck on 11/29/2017 8:01:00 PM (view original):
Posted by moy23 on 11/29/2017 7:37:00 PM (view original):
Posted by wylie715 on 11/29/2017 6:13:00 PM (view original):
When will Trump lose his position due to all the sexual misconduct he is accused of?
Your Proof? Show me the Louis CK FACTUAL story on Trump. Or the picture of him grabbing a sleeping chicks breasts.

Lewd comments to another dude regarding ***** is not sexual harassment. Calling a woman fat or ugly is also not sexual harassment.

These guys are getting fired because they ACTUALLY sexually harassed women (and men in Spacey's case).
I think something like 16 women have come forward saying Trump has assaulted them.
And 4 for Moore.... 40 years ago. Where's the PROOF of any of it?
11/29/2017 10:20 PM (edited)
Speaking of Moore... another poll came out...
Poll Date Moore (R) Jones (D) Spread
RCP Average 11/14 - 11/28 47.8 45.8 Moore +2.0
Emerson 11/25 - 11/27 53 47 Moore +6
JMC Analytics 11/27 - 11/28 49 44 Moore +5
WBRC-TV 11/20 - 11/20 47 45 Moore +2
11/29/2017 10:25 PM
Posted by moy23 on 11/29/2017 10:20:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 11/29/2017 8:01:00 PM (view original):
Posted by moy23 on 11/29/2017 7:37:00 PM (view original):
Posted by wylie715 on 11/29/2017 6:13:00 PM (view original):
When will Trump lose his position due to all the sexual misconduct he is accused of?
Your Proof? Show me the Louis CK FACTUAL story on Trump. Or the picture of him grabbing a sleeping chicks breasts.

Lewd comments to another dude regarding ***** is not sexual harassment. Calling a woman fat or ugly is also not sexual harassment.

These guys are getting fired because they ACTUALLY sexually harassed women (and men in Spacey's case).
I think something like 16 women have come forward saying Trump has assaulted them.
And 4 for Moore.... 40 years ago. Where's the PROOF of any of it?
So you’re calling the women liars?
11/29/2017 10:38 PM
No. He only asked for PROOF. LIAR is a word YOU forced into the conversation.
11/30/2017 12:13 AM

Secret service had paid 144k in golf cart rentals to Trump golf courses this year.

A federal judge Tuesday ordered President Trump's business to preserve records related to a lawsuit brought by the Democratic attorneys general from Maryland and the District of Columbia that allege his private company has violated anti-corruption clauses in the Constitution.

With the ruling, D.C. Attorney General Karl A. Racine and Maryland Attorney General Brian E. Frosh are now permitted toserve subpoenas requiring the Trump Organization to preserve documents if the court allows the two sides to seek evidence from one another.

The decision by Judge Peter J. Messitte is a small advancement in one of the most high-profile attempts to get a court to consider a case on the emoluments clauses of the Constitution, which bars the president from accepting gifts or payments from foreign or state governments.

11/30/2017 12:45 AM
Posted by strikeout26 on 11/27/2017 8:31:00 PM (view original):
B_L, do you think Forbes is a reputable source on economics?
From Forbes:

No doubt many of you read the above headline and immediately started to tweet that the GOP tax bill can't be the end of economic sanity in Washington because there never was any to begin with.

I have two responses.

First...please do tweet that, and link to this post when you do.

Second...you're wrong. If it's enacted, the GOP tax cut now working its way through Congress will be the start of a decades-long economic policy disaster unlike any other that has occurred in American history.

There's no economic justification whatsoever for a tax cut at this time. U.S. GDP is growing, unemployment is close to 4 percent (below what is commonly considered "full employment"), corporate profits are at record levels and stock markets are soaring. It makes no sense to add any federal government-induced stimulus to all this private sector-caused economic activity, let alone a tax cut as big as this one.

This is actually the ideal time for Washington to be doing the opposite. But by damning the economic torpedoes and moving full-speed ahead, House and Senate Republicans and the Trump White House are setting up the U.S. for the modern-day analog of the inflation-producing guns-and-butter economic policy of the Vietnam era. The GOP tax bill will increase the federal deficit by $2 trillion or more over the next decade (the official estimates of $1.5 trillion hide the real amount with a witches brew of gimmicks and outright lies) that, unless all the rules have changed, is virtually certain to result in inflation and much higher interest rates than would otherwise occur.

The GOP's insanity is compounded by its moving ahead without having any idea of what this policy will actually do to the economy. The debates in the Ways and Means and Senate Finance Committees and on the House floor all took place before the Congressional Budget Office's analysis and, if it really exists, the constantly-promised-but-never-seen report from the Treasury on the economics of this tax bill.

Meanwhile, Congress has ignored other estimates like this one from the University of Pennsylvania's Wharton School showing that the tax bill won't do what the GOP is promising.

In other words, the GOP tax bill may be enacted without anyone who votes for it having any understanding of the damage it could do to the economy. They have wishes, hopes and prayers but in reality nothing beyond the economic equivalent of pagan superstition.

On top of everything else, there is no reason to rush this debate as the GOP is doing. Given that it's not really needed, a bill that is enacted next January or February will make as much economic sense as one signed into law by the end of this December. The must-do-it-by-Christmas deadline Trump has imposed is completely artificial and nonsensical.

The real economic insanity of the GOP's tax bill will be felt in future years. Consider the following.

  • The $1 trillion a year budget deficit will not be the result of cyclical changes that will be reversed when the economy improves. These will be permanent structural deficit increases.
  • The tax hikes that will be needed to resolve the structural imbalance between federal spending and revenues will be impossible for political reasons.
  • Whenever the U.S. economy grows more slowly than expected or there's a downturn, an annual deficit of $2 trillion could easily become the norm.
  • The federal government will have far less ability to respond to economic downturns unless previously unimaginable and politically intolerable deficits, tax increases or spending cuts suddenly become acceptable.
  • Reduce the national debt? As they say in New York, fuhgeddaboudit at least in the next decade.
  • Much more national debt plus rising interest rates means interest on the national debt will be the fastest growing part of the federal budget.
  • Without massive cuts in Social Security, Medicare and the Pentagon, it won't be possible to reduce federal spending enough to do more than tweak the deficit.
  • Washington's ability to invest in anything new that will improve the economy (think infrastructure, education and medical research) will be far less given the already-high deficits.
  • Even though the limits to monetary policy became obvious the past few years, the Federal Reserve will be the major economic policy maker in Washington over the next decade.
In other words, if the GOP tax bill is enacted, Congress and the president this year will give up almost all ability to deal with the U.S. economy for at least a decade even when, as almost certainly will happen, there's a downturn. No one else will be able to fulfill this role.
11/30/2017 1:11 AM
Wall Street Journal not a fan either.
11/30/2017 1:27 AM
Posted by bad_luck on 11/29/2017 10:38:00 PM (view original):
Posted by moy23 on 11/29/2017 10:20:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 11/29/2017 8:01:00 PM (view original):
Posted by moy23 on 11/29/2017 7:37:00 PM (view original):
Posted by wylie715 on 11/29/2017 6:13:00 PM (view original):
When will Trump lose his position due to all the sexual misconduct he is accused of?
Your Proof? Show me the Louis CK FACTUAL story on Trump. Or the picture of him grabbing a sleeping chicks breasts.

Lewd comments to another dude regarding ***** is not sexual harassment. Calling a woman fat or ugly is also not sexual harassment.

These guys are getting fired because they ACTUALLY sexually harassed women (and men in Spacey's case).
I think something like 16 women have come forward saying Trump has assaulted them.
And 4 for Moore.... 40 years ago. Where's the PROOF of any of it?
So you’re calling the women liars?
Nope. Just asking for proof, like Doug said.

Until then it's he said she said.... And no one is losing a job over that.
11/30/2017 3:51 AM
Funny to hear the Democrats talking about the National Debt when President Obama doubled it in only 8 years!

-Tweeter in Chief
11/30/2017 3:52 AM
Another lib bites the dust...

‘Flash’ & ‘Supergirl’ EP Andrew Kreisberg Fired Over Sexual Harassment Allegations

11/30/2017 4:01 AM
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