Ferguson Police should be outlawed Topic

I saw the video. At least I think I saw the full length video. How long is the video?

I never saw money. I did see him reach behind the counter and grab cigars.

Why are you so sure an employee didn't call the police?

12/3/2014 2:39 PM
From the Washington Post article of August 15:

According to the report, Ferguson police officers received a call at 11:51 a.m. about a robbery in progress at a convenience store and were given the description of a suspect.

The suspect was described as a black male in a white T-shirt walking north toward a QuikTrip convenience store.

“I did not see the suspect in the area,” the officer wrote in the report.

The officer wrote that the store clerk got the description of the suspect as wearing a white T-shirt, khaki shorts, yellow socks and a red St. Louis Cardinals baseball cap. The officer was also told that another black male was with him.

A partially redacted witness report in the packet given to media – which did not state who provided the information – said that a woman inside the store came out of the bathroom during the altercation.

She told police she saw Brown tell the store employee that he and his companion wanted several boxes of cigars from behind the counter.

“As [redacted employee name] was placing the boxes on the counter, Brown grabbed a box of Swisher Sweet cigars and handed them to [Dorian] Johnson who was standing behind Brown,” the report stated. Johnson has said in interviews that he was with Brown when he was killed.

The witness said that the store employee then told Brown he had to pay first, and then Brown reached over the counter to grab more packs of cigars and turned to leave the store.

According to the witness account, the employee called 911 and attempted to block Brown from leaving by standing in front of the door.

“That is when Brown grabbed [redacted employee name] by the shirt and forcefully pushed him back into a display rack,” the report said.

The police report goes on to state that surveillance video from the store shows Brown and Johnson entering the store before Brown hands  the pack of Swisher Sweets to Johnson.

“An apparent struggle or confrontation seems to take place with Brown, however it is obscured by a display case on the counter,” the report stated. “Meanwhile, Johnson sets the box he was handed back on the counter.”

Wilson, who had been responding to a different call shortly before noon Saturday, left that area after the 911 call regarding the “strong-arm robbery” at the store.

12/3/2014 3:00 PM
http://m.dailykos.com/story/2014/08/18/1322560/-Ferguson-Store-Owner-Says-NO-ONE-From-His-Store-Called-Cops-To-Report-Cigar-Theft
12/3/2014 3:11 PM
Your info is from rando blog. OK.

Regardless, why would you call police when you're watching someone in the store call police? Seems redundant.

How long is the full length video? Was I watching something else? I never saw money. I do see Brown take cigars from behind the counter, the clerk being very upset about it, and then get assaulted.
12/3/2014 3:17 PM
For ****'s sake.   Is BL claiming that Brown didn't steal cigars?

That was ONE of the first things reported after the shooting. 
12/3/2014 3:24 PM
WTF is he claiming Brown did to the clerk?   And why?  
12/3/2014 3:24 PM
He's obviously trolling.   Even the looters know he stole the cigars then strong-armed the clerk when he confronted him.
12/3/2014 3:26 PM
I'm sure the Ferguson police have a record of the phone number that called in the theft.

Still, it's a moot point.  Nobody (except for BL) is denying that a theft took place.

And even that is a moot point.  The theft is not why Brown was shot.  It was his actions when Office Wilson first encountered him that are important.

12/3/2014 3:27 PM
Now, I am somewhat surprised that Pantaleo isn't charged in the Garner death. 
12/3/2014 3:40 PM
Posted by burnsy483 on 12/3/2014 3:17:00 PM (view original):
Your info is from rando blog. OK.

Regardless, why would you call police when you're watching someone in the store call police? Seems redundant.

How long is the full length video? Was I watching something else? I never saw money. I do see Brown take cigars from behind the counter, the clerk being very upset about it, and then get assaulted.
The blog linked back to this fox news story. The store issued a statement that it didn't call the police. There is video of the store's attorney saying so.

http://fox2now.com/2014/08/15/store-owners-talk-about-surveillance-released/

The full surveillance video is about 1:40. I think it's the first YouTube result. Here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkOfqIXkBRE

You see Brown hand his friend a box of cigars. Then there is what looks like a dispute. They drop several packs. At the 1:05 mark you see them put the box and several packs back on the counter. If they are robbing the store, why put some back? That doesn't look like a robbery to me, that looks like a dispute.

This is only relevant to the, "clearly Brown is a criminal, it's not surprising that he would attack a cop unprovoked," point that allows us to ignore the massive inconsistencies and question marks in Wilson's side of the story.
12/3/2014 4:30 PM
Examples?   Because, in this case, it appears to be the black people who aren't trusting the govt.
12/3/2014 5:37 PM
Posted by MikeT23 on 12/3/2014 5:37:00 PM (view original):
Examples?   Because, in this case, it appears to be the black people who aren't trusting the govt.
Can you blame them? The track record ain't great.
12/3/2014 5:41 PM
Posted by MikeT23 on 12/3/2014 5:37:00 PM (view original):
Examples?   Because, in this case, it appears to be the black people who aren't trusting the govt.
Also, exactly. Tea party/Bundy Ranch/Hannity Hillbillies are the ones usually screaming about government corruption and overreach. Then the government kills a black kid and suddenly the cops/DAs/judges etc are all just doing their jobs, no reason to lie, no agenda, etc.
12/3/2014 5:44 PM
From Tim Wise:

(read the whole thing, it's very good)

The constant drumbeat of negativity is so normalized by now that it forms the backdrop of every conversation about black people held in white spaces when black folks themselves are not around. It is like the way your knee jumps when the doctor taps it with that little hammer thing during a check-up: a reflex by now instinctual, automatic, unthinking.

And still we pretend that one can think these things—that vast numbers of us can—and yet be capable of treating black folks fairly in the workforce, housing market, schools or in the streets; that we can, on the one hand, view the larger black community as a chaotic maelstrom of iniquity, while still managing, on the other, to treat black loan applicants, job applicants, students or random strangers as mere individuals. That we can somehow thread the needle between our grand aspirations to equanimity as Americans and our deeply internalized biases regarding broad swaths of our nation’s people.

12/3/2014 5:57 PM
The Fugelsang quote is a perfect example of why liberals should say "no thanks" when professional actors offer to speak on their behalf.
12/3/2014 7:02 PM
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