Obama: Worst President Ever? Topic

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  Who was the idiot that made the decision we should completely pull out of Iraq after we put all that time and money and American volunteer HERO blood into stabilizing a region and giving them free elections and women's rights? 
1/31/2016 1:09 PM
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  PLUSEWISE 2006 = ISIS because………
 
  I'll have to get back to you later on that lie.
1/31/2016 1:13 PM
Posted by tecwrg on 1/31/2016 1:02:00 PM (view original):
Posted by dahsdebater on 1/29/2016 8:52:00 PM (view original):
Well, if we hadn't decided a military response was the correct action following 9/11, and had done nothing instead, ISIS wouldn't exist.  Al Q'aida is bigger now than it was then, but that might have happened anyway.  So I guess we can just blame ISIS on our military activities in the Middle East.

So yeah, doing nothing would have been better.  Unambiguously so.

Dahs says we should have done NOTHING militarily after 9/11.

That would include Afghanistan and the Taliban.

But, if you do anything, you might make the radicals mad.

Can't do that, right dahs?

1/31/2016 1:23 PM
Posted by bronxcheer on 1/31/2016 1:06:00 PM (view original):
2006= ISIS
"During the course of the war, Al Qaeda in Iraq grew to be the most powerful wing of the insurgency, as well as the most violent and the most psychotic. They drove truck bombs into mosques and weddings and beheaded their prisoners. But, by the time the last American soldiers had departed, in 2011, the Islamic State of Iraq, as it was then calling itself, was in a state of near-total defeat. The combination of the Iraqi-led “awakening,” along with persistent American pressure, had decimated the group and pushed them into a handful of enclaves.

Indeed, by 2011 the situation in Iraq—as former Governor Bush said—was relatively stable. “Relatively” is the key word here. Iraq was still a violent place, but nowhere near as violent as it had been. The Iraqi government was being run by Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki, a fervent Al Qaeda foe and ostensible American ally.

But, as the last Americans left Iraq, there came the great uprising in Syria that pitted the country’s vast Sunni majority against the ruthless regime of Bashar al-Assad. Syria quickly dissolved into anarchy. Desperate and seeing an opportunity, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, the leader of the Islamic State of Iraq, dispatched a handful of soldiers to Syria, where, in a matter of months, they had gathered an army of followers and had begun attacking the Assad regime. Suddenly, Baghdadi’s group—which had been staggering toward the grave only months before—was regaining strength. In 2013, the I.S.I. became the Islamic State of Iraq in Syria. ISIS was born."
1/31/2016 1:39 PM
Posted by DougOut on 1/31/2016 1:09:00 PM (view original):
  Who was the idiot that made the decision we should completely pull out of Iraq after we put all that time and money and American volunteer HERO blood into stabilizing a region and giving them free elections and women's rights? 
 
 
  That would be me!
1/31/2016 3:12 PM
Posted by tecwrg on 1/31/2016 1:02:00 PM (view original):
Posted by dahsdebater on 1/29/2016 8:52:00 PM (view original):
Well, if we hadn't decided a military response was the correct action following 9/11, and had done nothing instead, ISIS wouldn't exist.  Al Q'aida is bigger now than it was then, but that might have happened anyway.  So I guess we can just blame ISIS on our military activities in the Middle East.

So yeah, doing nothing would have been better.  Unambiguously so.

Dahs says we should have done NOTHING militarily after 9/11.

That would include Afghanistan and the Taliban.

Since Afghanistan has nothing to do with ISIS, I'm assuming he is referring to the war in Iraq.

I could be wrong.
1/31/2016 5:05 PM
YES. YOU ARE WRONG. AGAIN.
1/31/2016 5:10 PM
 
  Yeth!  He Ittttttttttttttttth.
1/31/2016 5:44 PM
 
  Thith thread thunks!
1/31/2016 6:02 PM (edited)
Posted by bad_luck on 1/31/2016 5:05:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tecwrg on 1/31/2016 1:02:00 PM (view original):
Posted by dahsdebater on 1/29/2016 8:52:00 PM (view original):
Well, if we hadn't decided a military response was the correct action following 9/11, and had done nothing instead, ISIS wouldn't exist.  Al Q'aida is bigger now than it was then, but that might have happened anyway.  So I guess we can just blame ISIS on our military activities in the Middle East.

So yeah, doing nothing would have been better.  Unambiguously so.

Dahs says we should have done NOTHING militarily after 9/11.

That would include Afghanistan and the Taliban.

Since Afghanistan has nothing to do with ISIS, I'm assuming he is referring to the war in Iraq.

I could be wrong.
You probably are wrong.  Shocking.

Afghanistan was the only immediate and direct military action following 9/11.  Iraq was around 18 months later, and was less about a direct retaliation about 9/11 and more about a larger war on terror.

But seeing that you have the magical ability to take what somebody says and twist it around to insist that they meant something else, I can see how you you're going to be sure that he was ONLY talking about Iraq.

1/31/2016 5:52 PM
It's called context.

We were talking about ISIS. Dahs pointed to the war as one of the primary causes of the rise of ISIS. Since ISIS isn't in Afghanistan, I think it's safe to assume that dahs was talking about Iraq and not Afghanistan.
1/31/2016 6:18 PM
Well, he specifically said "military response after 9/11".  That would be Afghanistan.

I'm funny that way.  If somebody says something, I assume they mean what they're saying.

I know your brain doesn't work that way.

1/31/2016 6:42 PM
Yeah but you don't possess the power to know what everybody really means. 

BL does.

1/31/2016 6:44 PM
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