Posted by The Taint on 3/19/2018 10:50:00 AM (view original):
From Snopes: Political conservatives have claimed on multiple occasions that Democrats have taken advantage of what they describe as widespread voter fraud. However, the majority of those claims have either lacked evidence or been revealed to be misrepresentations. Regardless, this particular situation would fall under the banner of registration fraud, not voter fraud.

I think an ID would solve all these debates. If you think the law is broken then change it.

Posted by cccp1014 on 3/19/2018 10:50:00 AM (view original):

Posted by The Taint on 3/19/2018 10:48:00 AM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 3/19/2018 10:46:00 AM (view original):

Posted by dino27 on 3/19/2018 10:39:00 AM (view original):
trickle down economy with massive spending......trying it again under trump........it leads to eventual meltdown......now factor in intentional meltdown of health insurance markets........if we have tarrifs that will be another dagger.
danger.. will robinson...danger!!

Again you are just using emotion. None of this is happening. Insurance companies had historic profits under the ACA it did not trickle down to the common man. If you want to nationalize health insurance then do it but the ACA was insane and only helped the insurance companies. There is no danger. Corporate confidence has not been this high since 2005. Are you saying you're smarter than me and the FT.com?

Come on man.

He knows the difference between a credit and deduction. Nor did he take 14+ pages of arguing to be talked into maybe he was wrong about credits/deductions.



You make the call...

Don't be a d*ck. I admitted that it was a one time error because I double paid my SS as I switched jobs. That was a $1 for $1 adjustment.
I conceded because I was tired of the pointless argument, which was that my data was stronger than Tang's.

Are you seriously arguing that the economy is in bad shape right now?

No, I also know it wasn't in 2005-2007 either and Trump has gone out of his way to get rid of all the regulations that were set there to protect from something like that happening again.

You're a finance guy...what sense does it make to enact massive tax cuts when the economy is booming? To cause inflation? Seriously, what sense?

Posted by cccp1014 on 3/19/2018 10:50:00 AM (view original):

Posted by The Taint on 3/19/2018 10:49:00 AM (view original):
Project Veritas?



Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

So your sources are fine but others are not? Typical Liberal.

Dude, look up Project Veritas. You can apologize when you're done.

Posted by cccp1014 on 3/19/2018 10:51:00 AM (view original):

Posted by The Taint on 3/19/2018 10:50:00 AM (view original):
From Snopes: Political conservatives have claimed on multiple occasions that Democrats have taken advantage of what they describe as widespread voter fraud. However, the majority of those claims have either lacked evidence or been revealed to be misrepresentations. Regardless, this particular situation would fall under the banner of registration fraud, not voter fraud.

I think an ID would solve all these debates. If you think the law is broken then change it.

It's not just a law, it's in the constitution.

Easy fix, have the states issue an ID to every single citizen for free. There ya go. TADA!

Posted by The Taint on 3/19/2018 10:52:00 AM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 3/19/2018 10:50:00 AM (view original):

Posted by The Taint on 3/19/2018 10:48:00 AM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 3/19/2018 10:46:00 AM (view original):

Posted by dino27 on 3/19/2018 10:39:00 AM (view original):
trickle down economy with massive spending......trying it again under trump........it leads to eventual meltdown......now factor in intentional meltdown of health insurance markets........if we have tarrifs that will be another dagger.
danger.. will robinson...danger!!

Again you are just using emotion. None of this is happening. Insurance companies had historic profits under the ACA it did not trickle down to the common man. If you want to nationalize health insurance then do it but the ACA was insane and only helped the insurance companies. There is no danger. Corporate confidence has not been this high since 2005. Are you saying you're smarter than me and the FT.com?

Come on man.

He knows the difference between a credit and deduction. Nor did he take 14+ pages of arguing to be talked into maybe he was wrong about credits/deductions.



You make the call...

Don't be a d*ck. I admitted that it was a one time error because I double paid my SS as I switched jobs. That was a $1 for $1 adjustment.
I conceded because I was tired of the pointless argument, which was that my data was stronger than Tang's.

Are you seriously arguing that the economy is in bad shape right now?

No, I also know it wasn't in 2005-2007 either and Trump has gone out of his way to get rid of all the regulations that were set there to protect from something like that happening again.

You're a finance guy...what sense does it make to enact massive tax cuts when the economy is booming? To cause inflation? Seriously, what sense?

1. He did it to halt Corp. inversions and get some overseas $$ back to the US. Time will tell if this is successful because growth has to increase notably to offset the lost revenue from lower taxes. He also thinks that if the people have higher paychecks they will spend more.
2. In 09 the regulations were crap when it came to derivatives and are much stronger now. Rating agencies also did not do their jobs.
3. Mortgage companies gave loans based on ARMs and amortizations that would never hold up long term. So people bought houses they could not afford and then had to furnish them, etc. It all crashed at once as the ARMs and interest only periods expired. None of this can happen now because there are still stringent REM regulations and Derivatives. For example I cannot offer a derivative unless the Company meets certain thresholds, etc. That was not the case before 09.
4. The US had one of the highest tax rates in the world, lowering it means that more businesses stay here and you see the short term effects of one time bonuses, raises, etc. I agree with you that long term it may be a bad strategy but only time will tell.
5. Long term artificially low rates were unfair to the elderly who had to invest in equities, hence inflating the stock market because savings accounts and CDs were paying crap. Now they pay much better and savers can invest as such.

Again, the jury is out on this and I am not a Republican. Like you I vote for whomever I believe will be better for me, my family and the country as a whole. Rightly or wrongly.

Posted by The Taint on 3/19/2018 10:55:00 AM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 3/19/2018 10:51:00 AM (view original):

Posted by The Taint on 3/19/2018 10:50:00 AM (view original):
From Snopes: Political conservatives have claimed on multiple occasions that Democrats have taken advantage of what they describe as widespread voter fraud. However, the majority of those claims have either lacked evidence or been revealed to be misrepresentations. Regardless, this particular situation would fall under the banner of registration fraud, not voter fraud.

I think an ID would solve all these debates. If you think the law is broken then change it.

It's not just a law, it's in the constitution.

Easy fix, have the states issue an ID to every single citizen for free. There ya go. TADA!

And that Citizen has to show it to vote? I am all for that!

Posted by The Taint on 3/19/2018 10:53:00 AM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 3/19/2018 10:50:00 AM (view original):

Posted by The Taint on 3/19/2018 10:49:00 AM (view original):
Project Veritas?



Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

So your sources are fine but others are not? Typical Liberal.

Dude, look up Project Veritas. You can apologize when you're done.

I know they are biased and unconventional. But I had other sources there too.

i got rid of cookies...you were right..i can read nyt again.

Not everyone got higher paychecks and those paychecks lose some of the savings every year until 2027 when everyone's taxes actually go up...well except for corporations, their's are permanent.

The Tax Repatriation Act of 2004 was an utter disaster...unless you are a shareholder of a major corporation. Why will it be different this time? Because Trump is telling you it will?

Predatory lending was a problem then and is about to become a problem again:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2018/03/12/the-senate-is-poised-to-roll-back-rules-meant-to-root-out-discrimination-by-mortgage-lenders/?utm_term=.0f639ddbb711

Tax rate and effective tax rate are two entirely different things and I suspect you know that.

Posted by cccp1014 on 3/19/2018 11:01:00 AM (view original):

Posted by The Taint on 3/19/2018 10:55:00 AM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 3/19/2018 10:51:00 AM (view original):

Posted by The Taint on 3/19/2018 10:50:00 AM (view original):
From Snopes: Political conservatives have claimed on multiple occasions that Democrats have taken advantage of what they describe as widespread voter fraud. However, the majority of those claims have either lacked evidence or been revealed to be misrepresentations. Regardless, this particular situation would fall under the banner of registration fraud, not voter fraud.

I think an ID would solve all these debates. If you think the law is broken then change it.

It's not just a law, it's in the constitution.

Easy fix, have the states issue an ID to every single citizen for free. There ya go. TADA!

And that Citizen has to show it to vote? I am all for that!

Exactly, you're just never going to get states to sign on for it.

pay attention to warning signs...i think it is oklahomo where the republican potty is talking about having to raise taxes...there are no horse pistols left.

Posted by cccp1014 on 3/19/2018 11:02:00 AM (view original):

Posted by The Taint on 3/19/2018 10:53:00 AM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 3/19/2018 10:50:00 AM (view original):

Posted by The Taint on 3/19/2018 10:49:00 AM (view original):
Project Veritas?



Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

So your sources are fine but others are not? Typical Liberal.

Dude, look up Project Veritas. You can apologize when you're done.

I know they are biased and unconventional. But I had other sources there too.

They have been busted for outright fraud at least twice. The Snopes article says...this wasn't voter fraud...it was registration fraud. Dude was getting paid for signing people up, he made up **** so he got paid more. Those fake registrations weren't going to vote.

Posted by dino27 on 3/19/2018 11:06:00 AM (view original):
pay attention to warning signs...i think it is oklahomo where the republican potty is talking about having to raise taxes...there are no horse pistols left.

Exactly right.

Posted by The Taint on 3/19/2018 11:05:00 AM (view original):
Not everyone got higher paychecks and those paychecks lose some of the savings every year until 2027 when everyone's taxes actually go up...well except for corporations, their's are permanent.

The Tax Repatriation Act of 2004 was an utter disaster...unless you are a shareholder of a major corporation. Why will it be different this time? Because Trump is telling you it will?

Predatory lending was a problem then and is about to become a problem again:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2018/03/12/the-senate-is-poised-to-roll-back-rules-meant-to-root-out-discrimination-by-mortgage-lenders/?utm_term=.0f639ddbb711

Tax rate and effective tax rate are two entirely different things and I suspect you know that.

One time bonuses happened but yes to your point the corporations will make out long term. Again he wanted to halt corporate inversions like companies going to Ireland and paying a 12% tax rate vs. 40% in the US. You are right about effective tax vs. tax but in terms of corporations and especially small businesses or mid market firms they were paying in the ~40% range. Now its 21%. Big delta.

In terms of people, a lot more will not itemize so filing is a lot easier. The $24k in a standard deduction is more than most will get because of the limit on mortgage interest and state income tax.

While you can blame Trump or congratulate him, we are not an autocracy. The house and senate supported these cuts. So blame the GOP I guess? Right?

The Republicans said it themselves,

Our donors are telling us to get this done, or don't ever call us again.