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I said I would not be shocked. But I don't know if he is or is not one.
3/6/2018 8:58 AM
Posted by cccp1014 on 3/6/2018 8:22:00 AM (view original):
Posted by tangplay on 3/5/2018 8:26:00 PM (view original):
Adding on to what Bob said, the fact that single parent families do worse is irrelevant in this situation.

White Guilt is NOT Institutional Racism. Far from it. To discuss this issue, Boris, you must understand that NO ONE is making the argument that we are successful or not successful singularly because of our skin color. I don't know how many times I must ram that into your head.

We are, however, making the argument that white people have an ADVANTAGE. And that black people are at a structural DISADVANTAGE.

This is extremely obvious when looking at the overall statistics in the country. I won't show you individual companies who discriminate outright, because those are rare, and if they aren't, then go to a different company.

IT WORKS IN DIFFERENT WAYS! For instance -

I was at a poverty simulation, and someone told everyone in the room that if they had been taken out of their car by the police at some point, to stand up.
Well, if everyone was treated equally, we would expect a similar percentage of white and black people to stand up, right?

EVERY SINGLE BLACK PERSON IN THE ROOM (About 15) STOOD UP.

2 White people stood up.

That's institutional racism, Boris.
And.....what is your CURE?!?!!!?!?!? I have asked you this 1000x as well. Complaining is not a cure and even if Cops are racist and many cops are just bad at their job how do they influence the fact that 72% of African American kids grow up in a single family household? We agree that cops need retraining but African Americans represent ~13% of the population and commit ~70% of crimes. Of course the cops will be more suspicious. Rightly or wrongly. That is not institutional racism that is police bias. This includes both white and African American police officers.

Your study is also not statistically significant. Did you ever take stats?
Your argument here is irrelevant. The single parent thing and the 70% of crimes thing (which is incorrect) doesn't mean anything. Police should treat everyone equally. It doesn't matter if more black people commit crimes. Everyone should be equal. Blank slate. How is it fair to an innocent black man to be killed or arrested or convicted simply because of their skin color. BORIS, THAT IS INSTITUTIONAL RACISM. YOU PROVED MY POINT.

Also, I have given solutions. Equalize school funding, put in more police accountability, reform the justice system, stop criminalizing harmless drugs, invest in prison reform and rehabilitation, invest in local poverty solutions. That takes care of most of the problem, Boris. If you want me to go more into detail, I can.

Also, I posted a whole page of stats multiple times earlier, but you ignored them and chose to post things like what I posted. Then we reverse roles and suddenly you like big picture stats?
3/6/2018 9:04 AM
Posted by cccp1014 on 3/6/2018 8:58:00 AM (view original):
I said I would not be shocked. But I don't know if he is or is not one.
So Obama is 100% one but when Bush does worse it is just 'maybe'?
3/6/2018 9:05 AM
My argument is far from irrelevant. Without a male role model, kids go down a bath path of bad decisions. The fact that you cannot see that is mind boggling. African Americans mainly kill other African Americans. This is just utter insanity and would not be as bad if there were more male role models IMO. It is not institutional racism it is fact.

You don't have children. Schools are just schools. Parenting has a lot more influence of a kid's success than schooling. The schools where I live are OK at best but we send our kids to other programs, activities and educate them at home. Parents matter a lot more. We agree on police accountability. The police officers in my town are just OK at best. We agree on the harmless drugs point. I would actually legalize all drugs. We agree on prison reform. We disagree on local poverty solutions.

I have told you before that crying racism doesn't work for me. Get up of your @$$ and:
  1. Graduate HS
  2. Get a job
  3. Don't become a single parent
Doesn't seem like brain surgery to me. For some reason it does to you. Sounds like a YOU problem.
3/6/2018 9:16 AM
Posted by tangplay on 3/6/2018 9:05:00 AM (view original):
Posted by cccp1014 on 3/6/2018 8:58:00 AM (view original):
I said I would not be shocked. But I don't know if he is or is not one.
So Obama is 100% one but when Bush does worse it is just 'maybe'?
Obama has been recognized as the worst president when it comes to US/Israel relations. Bush at the time was still managing the Iran - Iraq conflict. As long as they were at war with each other they would not bother the US. He of course completely messed that up. Bush also never met with Louis Farrakhan, who as we all agree is a well known anti-semite and leader of the Nation of Islam. Obama not only met but conversed, smiled and took a pic with LF in 2005.



3/6/2018 9:22 AM
I'm convinced Boris. You're a "one-trick pony".
3/6/2018 9:53 AM
I've been called worse
3/6/2018 10:00 AM
Yea...... me too! lol
3/6/2018 10:55 AM
Posted by cccp1014 on 3/6/2018 9:16:00 AM (view original):
My argument is far from irrelevant. Without a male role model, kids go down a bath path of bad decisions. The fact that you cannot see that is mind boggling. African Americans mainly kill other African Americans. This is just utter insanity and would not be as bad if there were more male role models IMO. It is not institutional racism it is fact.

You don't have children. Schools are just schools. Parenting has a lot more influence of a kid's success than schooling. The schools where I live are OK at best but we send our kids to other programs, activities and educate them at home. Parents matter a lot more. We agree on police accountability. The police officers in my town are just OK at best. We agree on the harmless drugs point. I would actually legalize all drugs. We agree on prison reform. We disagree on local poverty solutions.

I have told you before that crying racism doesn't work for me. Get up of your @$$ and:
  1. Graduate HS
  2. Get a job
  3. Don't become a single parent
Doesn't seem like brain surgery to me. For some reason it does to you. Sounds like a YOU problem.
That argument is STILL irrelevent in discussing whether institutional racism exists.

Schooling is one of the best ways out of poverty.

No one is crying racism. You are back to the it is only racism or nothing argument. No one is making the argument that people are SOLELY in poverty because of racism. Your things do make a differencs, although as I have shown they so not always work.
3/6/2018 11:24 AM
Posted by cccp1014 on 3/6/2018 9:22:00 AM (view original):
Posted by tangplay on 3/6/2018 9:05:00 AM (view original):
Posted by cccp1014 on 3/6/2018 8:58:00 AM (view original):
I said I would not be shocked. But I don't know if he is or is not one.
So Obama is 100% one but when Bush does worse it is just 'maybe'?
Obama has been recognized as the worst president when it comes to US/Israel relations. Bush at the time was still managing the Iran - Iraq conflict. As long as they were at war with each other they would not bother the US. He of course completely messed that up. Bush also never met with Louis Farrakhan, who as we all agree is a well known anti-semite and leader of the Nation of Islam. Obama not only met but conversed, smiled and took a pic with LF in 2005.



Who recognized him as that? Fox? CPAC?

Bush did FAR worse than Obama.
3/6/2018 11:25 AM
https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/28/politics/louis-farrakhan-speech/index.html

CNN

tangplay is an idiot
3/6/2018 11:28 AM

For over 30 years, Louis Farrakhan, leader of the Nation of Islam (NOI), has marked himself as a notable figure on the extremist scene, verbally attacking Jews, white people and the LGBT community.

In recent years, Farrakhan has embarked on a wide-ranging campaign specifically targeting the Jewish community, which has featured some of the most hateful speeches of Farrakhan’s career as head of the NOI. Farrakhan has alleged that the Jewish people were responsible for the slave trade and that they conspire to control the government, the media, Hollywood, and various Black individuals and organizations. He also frequently denies that Jews have a legitimate claim to their religion and to the land of Israel claiming that Judaism is nothing more than a “deceptive lie” and a “theological error” promoted by Jews to further their supposed control over America’s government and economy.


Farrakhan often promotes such messages at public speeches and sermons, some of which attract thousands of followers. During Part 2 of his 2015 Saviours’ Daykeynote address at the Mosque Maryam in Chicago, Illinois, Farrakhan used his platform to discuss the supposed role of Israel and Jews in orchestrating the 9/11 attacks, claiming that “Israelis had foreknowledge of the attacks” and that Jews were warned ahead of time not to come to work that day. He then went on to speak more broadly of Israeli control of the American government, stating that Israel and Jews “don’t fear America because they control it from within.”

3/6/2018 11:29 AM
Does Obama taking a picture of him show that he is antisemetic? I don't buy it.
3/6/2018 11:33 AM
netanyahu will go down as the first bad prime minister of Israel..the very first bad one.......he tried to ruin the iran deal...he was way wrong.....mossad and military past and present supported it.....they said his policy endangered Israel......went way overboard on settlements.....he will end up in jail.......poor judgement and corrupt.
3/6/2018 11:33 AM
Posted by tangplay on 3/6/2018 11:33:00 AM (view original):
Does Obama taking a picture of him show that he is antisemetic? I don't buy it.
3/6/2018 11:36 AM
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