When you're delirious and in your last throes, I'mma show up, part just slightly the bandages covering your eyes, and shimmy my thong-adorned hip in your direction. I'll wink.

Thanks for your last fiver, buddy.

I haven't played any OLs in a while, but I think it's pretty hard to justify any strategy at this point in which more than 1 or 2 scrubs do anything other than provide salary to bring in a spare reliever off the WW. I do think it's interesting that booger now spends more on pitching than hitting. He used to be a big proponent of the opposite. I think you can win either way right now. Obviously going with pitching requires fewer PA and fewer IP so you can spend more per. On the other hand, good hitters affect the hitters around them in the lineup and so the benefits of good hitting are multiplicative, whereas the benefits of good pitching are fairly linear and as booger pointed out actually decrease exponentially with respect to the increase in $/IP as you move away from the 35/45-45/35 range. The one thing I will definitely say is that right now defense is overpriced for OLs. Since the fielding update I went to WS with 2 of my 3 OL teams. Both of them were in the top 5 in their leagues in both errors and - plays. One of them ran away with the leage in both and made a grand total of 0 + plays. Not spending money on defense gave me enough hitting and pitching to win 100+ and cruise through the playoffs with 3 total losses...

Excellent point that a lot of people tend to forget. I don't remember the numbers I figured out a while ago, but if you have an A+/A+ guy, then his salary is something like 40% defense.

So if you have a team that's 40mil/40mil and made up of A+/A+ defenders, you're really looking at 24mil in offense, 16mil in defense, and 40mil in pitching.

Quote: Originally posted by Trentonjoe on 5/09/2010I don't mean to sound like a jerk but how hard is it to have .600 winning % in an OL? I haven't played in one in awhile but when I did, the 5 or so guys who knew what they were doing always won 100+ games.

Plenty of other people have silly stuff like empirical evidence to contradict my view, but I tend to think that if you've won 100 games in an OL, you're doing it wrong. I'm for using your AAA and whatever other resources you have, which means taking some losses along the way wile you rest your lowish-PA/IP guys.*

You'll make the playoffs winning 95 games just about as often as you will winning 110 games. Once you're in the playoffs, all bets are off.


*I don't go full-grizzly. Leaves a sort of wet garbage taste in my mouth.**


**No, no - not wet garbage. It tastes like boiled foot.

Quote: Originally Posted By Trentonjoe on 5/09/2010I don't mean to sound like a jerk but how hard is it to have .600 winning % in an OL? I haven't played in one in awhile but when I did, the 5 or so guys who knew what they were doing always won 100+ games

No, not very hard, but with salary corrections for A++ range guys and out of position bargains, it is quite a bit harder than it was last September.

To me, the answer lies somewhere in the middle. You can have a perfect 40/40 split and have a great split-squad/fatigue team or normal 162 game team but the huge difference is that the split-squad team relies on your divisionmates as much or more than what team you assembled.

I used to really enjoy putting together great pitching staffs because making one with 300-400+ IP SP and stud RP used to take alot of time and true knowledge of the how the sim works. Alot of pitchers I used to find had little to no performance to go by so knowing how the sim worked and trusting your own evaluation techniques was crucial. Not to mention I would put them in Coors. Playing in Astrodome and other parks protected mistakes. I honestly feel like Coors taught me the limits of the sim and how far I could push things. If Coors was a person I'd hug him. It made me a much better WIS player.

Now, I can select the absolute best pitchers in the sim and find a way to make it work with little to no effort. It's to the point where I could put together an absolute dominant staff for 50 mil or under that could hang in a 255 cap.

Since it's super easy to put together pitching now pure fatigue teams will have alot more trouble making the playoffs.
A fatigue lineup can and does get shut down by the likes of Joss '08, Maddux '95 etc. These guys are not hard at all to fit into a staff. I used to use a '12 Johnson, '14 Hendrix rotation alot, and maybe 1 other owner in my leagues would have comparable SP's to mine. Making them work while having good enough RP and a decent lineup was difficult. Now it just is not hard at all.

If you have a fatigue team in a division with 2 teams made for 162 games with owners who know what theyre doing you just are not going to make the playoffs. Hate to say it, but it's definitely true.

So your saying Not even the GRIZZY would make it.LOL LOL

Yes I have had some dealings with Grizzybear fatigue team.I think he would still make the playoffs.

Even grizzly has had to alter his fatigue teams somewhat. They're not as lopsided as they used to be. The last Champs League we were in together he made the playoffs but I'm sure he'd agree it isn't as easy as it used to be.

That being said, Grizzly is a fatigue strategy veteran and knows as much as anybody about how to implement it. In fact, there used to be a thread about it and he's one of the reasons these new IP and PA limits have been put in. It's a good strategy that's proven affective. There's a few other owners who do it well but even they don't make the playoffs every single time.

Well I know that it is harder to But it can still be done.Plus no one makes the playoffs every time I don,t care how good they are.