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Posted by MikeT23 on 3/2/2016 5:01:00 PM (view original):
Goddammit. Business is not politics.

The two are interchangeable. Negotiating is negotiating whether it's with your wife, a business partner, or a politician. The specifics may be different but the same basic negotiating principals hold true no matter what.

No, they are not interchangeable. The fact that you think they are speaks volumes.

In case we needed more evidence that Trump supports are dumb, we have moy . . .

Posted by MikeT23 on 3/2/2016 5:37:00 PM (view original):

Posted by moy23 on 3/2/2016 5:24:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 3/2/2016 5:01:00 PM (view original):
Goddammit. Business is not politics.

The two are interchangeable. Negotiating is negotiating whether it's with your wife, a business partner, or a politician. The specifics may be different but the same basic negotiating principals hold true no matter what.

No, they are not interchangeable. The fact that you think they are speaks volumes.

Please expand on how basic negotiating principals are different between the two? What do I want, what do they want, how do we get to solution that both parties can agree on.

From getting to yes.... A book I read while taking a negotiating course for my master's degree.

From getting past no.... Deals with more complex/difficult negotiations, another book I have read.

I've got bargaining for advantage queued up on my books to read list, one day, hopefully soon, when i find time. As it happens I'm passionate about learning how to negotiate.... I'm guessing you and Tec are not. These books have helped me negotiate with senior managers, my employees, my sales goals and budget for work, salary increases, support from local politicians (hell, I emailed one today to get her to do a favor for a business prospect of mine and she agreed), sales, negotiating with my wife, business contracts, customer service issues.... Same principles apply across the board, only the subject matter and the people involved change.

But really... Please expand on how basic negotiating principals are different between negotiating with business people and politicians?... Or.... Just keep attacking the person if you have nothing.

Carson skipping the debate... He gone!

MOY!!! DO YOU GET FOX NEWS? 2:00 AM REPLAY OF "ON THE RECORD" With GRETA Van SUSTEREN.

Record it if you can. Amazing interview with Trumps wife. She's a doll but she's smart as a whip and independent career wise and financially. THE DONALD was holding this back. He gave it to Greta because she is a friend and they have a great relationship. When the rest of the country meets this woman later in the cycle…she will knock their socks off. This woman is good for a 10 point swing in any scenario once the peeps hear her speak.

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Posted by MikeT23 on 3/2/2016 5:01:00 PM (view original):
Goddammit. Business is not politics.

The two are interchangeable. Negotiating is negotiating whether it's with your wife, a business partner, or a politician. The specifics may be different but the same basic negotiating principals hold true no matter what.

No, they are not interchangeable. The fact that you think they are speaks volumes.

Please expand on how basic negotiating principals are different between the two? What do I want, what do they want, how do we get to solution that both parties can agree on.

I'm a businessman. I'm negotiating a deal. We reach a stalemate. I stand up and say "I'm sorry. We're at an impasse. I'm afraid we can't do business together." I find another option. There is ALWAYS another option.

I'm a politician. I'm negotiating with China over some issue in North Korea. We reach a stalemate. I stand up and say "Oh ****. We can't reach an agreement. What are my other options?" I have none.

Fox News chairman Roger Ailes has reportedly "told people he's lost confidence in [Sen. Marco] Rubio's ability to win" the Republican nomination for president, according to New York magazine's Gabriel Sherman.

Fox News has drawn criticism from other Republican candidates for favoring the Florida senator throughout the presidential primaries. Sherman's report comes just a day before the Republican candidates will face off in a debate on Fox's airwaves.

Shortly before Sherman's report was published, Fox host Sean Hannity, who has expressed support for all of the major GOP candidates, lashed out at Rubio, accusing him of being "coached" to attack Donald Trump by "establishment types."

From Sherman's report:

In his role as the donor class's darling, Marco Rubio has enjoyed support from the Republican's media arm, Fox News. Throughout the primary, Fox provided Rubio with friendly interviews and key bookings, including the first prime-time response to Barack Obama's Oval Office address on ISIS. Many of the network's top pundits, including Stephen Hayes and Charles Krauthammer, have been enthusiastic boosters. Bill Sammon, Fox's Washington managing editor, is the father of Rubio's communications director, Brooke Sammon.

But this alliance now seems to be over. According to three Fox sources, Fox chief Roger Ailes has told people he's lost confidence in Rubio's ability to win. "We're finished with Rubio," Ailes recently told a Fox host. "We can't do the Rubio thing anymore."

Posted by MikeT23 on 3/2/2016 8:01:00 PM (view original):

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Posted by MikeT23 on 3/2/2016 5:01:00 PM (view original):
Goddammit. Business is not politics.

The two are interchangeable. Negotiating is negotiating whether it's with your wife, a business partner, or a politician. The specifics may be different but the same basic negotiating principals hold true no matter what.

No, they are not interchangeable. The fact that you think they are speaks volumes.

Please expand on how basic negotiating principals are different between the two? What do I want, what do they want, how do we get to solution that both parties can agree on.

I'm a businessman. I'm negotiating a deal. We reach a stalemate. I stand up and say "I'm sorry. We're at an impasse. I'm afraid we can't do business together." I find another option. There is ALWAYS another option.

I'm a politician. I'm negotiating with China over some issue in North Korea. We reach a stalemate. I stand up and say "Oh ****. We can't reach an agreement. What are my other options?" I have none.

There are always options in both the scenarios you provided. War is an option, Santions, Boycotting, Striking,.... They are not favorable but they are options. A trained negotiator gets a more favorable result than these worst case scenarios.

Let's flip the question.... Can you tell me why any of these basic principles of negotiating are NOT relevant to political negotiations?

Posted by DougOut on 3/2/2016 8:00:00 PM (view original):
MOY!!! DO YOU GET FOX NEWS? 2:00 AM REPLAY OF "ON THE RECORD" With GRETA Van SUSTEREN.

Record it if you can. Amazing interview with Trumps wife. She's a doll but she's smart as a whip and independent career wise and financially. THE DONALD was holding this back. He gave it to Greta because she is a friend and they have a great relationship. When the rest of the country meets this woman later in the cycle…she will knock their socks off. This woman is good for a 10 point swing in any scenario once the peeps hear her speak.

Trump still has a lot of 'Trump' cards he hasn't played yet. I'm amazed at how well he planned his campaign, keeping the energy level it has had for now over 9 months. That's not easy.

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Posted by MikeT23 on 3/2/2016 5:01:00 PM (view original):
Goddammit. Business is not politics.

The two are interchangeable. Negotiating is negotiating whether it's with your wife, a business partner, or a politician. The specifics may be different but the same basic negotiating principals hold true no matter what.

No, they are not interchangeable. The fact that you think they are speaks volumes.

Please expand on how basic negotiating principals are different between the two? What do I want, what do they want, how do we get to solution that both parties can agree on.

I'm a businessman. I'm negotiating a deal. We reach a stalemate. I stand up and say "I'm sorry. We're at an impasse. I'm afraid we can't do business together." I find another option. There is ALWAYS another option.

I'm a politician. I'm negotiating with China over some issue in North Korea. We reach a stalemate. I stand up and say "Oh ****. We can't reach an agreement. What are my other options?" I have none.

There are always options in both the scenarios you provided. War is an option, Santions, Boycotting, Striking,.... They are not favorable but they are options. A trained negotiator gets a more favorable result than these worst case scenarios.

So you're sure that Trump isn't accustomed to A) getting his way or B) walking away and starting somewhere else?

Because I'm almost positive it's one or the other. Personally, I don't want my leader starting up with China because he's not getting what he wants.

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Posted by moy23 on 3/2/2016 5:24:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 3/2/2016 5:01:00 PM (view original):
Goddammit. Business is not politics.

The two are interchangeable. Negotiating is negotiating whether it's with your wife, a business partner, or a politician. The specifics may be different but the same basic negotiating principals hold true no matter what.

No, they are not interchangeable. The fact that you think they are speaks volumes.

Please expand on how basic negotiating principals are different between the two? What do I want, what do they want, how do we get to solution that both parties can agree on.

I'm a businessman. I'm negotiating a deal. We reach a stalemate. I stand up and say "I'm sorry. We're at an impasse. I'm afraid we can't do business together." I find another option. There is ALWAYS another option.

I'm a politician. I'm negotiating with China over some issue in North Korea. We reach a stalemate. I stand up and say "Oh ****. We can't reach an agreement. What are my other options?" I have none.

There are always options in both the scenarios you provided. War is an option, Santions, Boycotting, Striking,.... They are not favorable but they are options. A trained negotiator gets a more favorable result than these worst case scenarios.

So you're sure that Trump isn't accustomed to A) getting his way or B) walking away and starting somewhere else?

Because I'm almost positive it's one or the other. Personally, I don't want my leader starting up with China because he's not getting what he wants.

trump doesn't always win... he had 4 bankruptcies and no one is sure of anything, are you? are you sure rubio has any clue how to negotiate with China? what in his career makes you think he can? I can tell you that trump has had many dealings in China (and other countries), which by the way is an entirely different culture, and an entirely more complicated negotiation because of it (but the basic principals of negotiating still apply). http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2011-09-21/trump-to-expand-brand-with-china-japan-projects-after-manila-seoul-entry