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Gimmick teams are fun. Even if you don't make the playoffs you can say, "Look at all them plus plays, foolz!"
7/18/2012 9:08 AM
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Good post; something to think about.   I'm considering the challenge and agree taking a park favoring offense might add to the win total
7/18/2012 11:42 AM
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Sounds like fun... going to have to give it a try.

7/18/2012 12:59 PM
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I tried this same idea with finn2030's High School Glory Days theme but not nearly the success you had contrarian23.

My player pool was limited to 1991-1994 and here are my stats with my team currently sitting at 65-82 playing at Joe Robbie Stadium.  Have made 113 + plays which is only 1 more than the 2nd team.

Name (Bats) Pos Order % PA AB HR RBI SB AVG OBP SLG $
Wade Boggs '93 (L) 3B* 1 98 661 601 0 23 0 .235 .304 .261 5.24M 
Jay Bell '93 (R) SS* 2 100 662 594 10 61 0 .276 .350 .379 7.59M 
Kenny Lofton '94 (L) CF* 3 100 638 588 10 40 63 .252 .310 .352 9.17M 
Chris Hoiles '93 (R) C * 4 89 557 484 13 69 0 .240 .332 .362 5.97M 
Ray Lankford '92 (L) LF* 5 100 595 540 15 68 27 .231 .301 .369 7.71M 
Mark Grace '92 (L) 1B* 6 100 574 535 8 58 0 .264 .310 .359 6.54M 
Jody Reed '94 (R) 2B* 7 100 496 443 1 32 0 .221 .300 .266 5.68M 
Lance Johnson '94 (L) RF* 8 100 426 395 4 35 11 .243 .296 .352 5.97M 
 BENCH
Name (Bats) Pos Order % PA AB HR RBI SB AVG OBP SLG $
Glenallen Hill '93 (R) RF* Bench 91 101 92 7 17 0 .348 .396 .609 1.64M 
Matt Nokes '94 (L) C * Bench 100 115 111 2 14 0 .207 .235 .297 839K 
Gary Pettis '92 (S) LF* Bench 100 130 102 1 11 5 .245 .389 .324 1.18M 
Greg Pirkl '94 (R) 1B^ Bench 100 76 71 3 10 0 .225 .263 .366 571K 
Ernest Riles '92 (L) SS* Bench 88 72 68 0 7 0 .191 .236 .221 217K 
Eric Wedge '92 (R) C ^ Bench 100 75 68 2 10 0 .250 .320 .353 430K

7/18/2012 6:59 PM (edited)
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Here are my pitchers which I'm very pleased with!

Pitcher Role % G W-L SV IP ERA OAV WHIP K/9 BB/9 $
Greg Maddux '94 (R)   100 54 15-11 0 266.2 2.53 .226 1.12 6.89 2.50 13.31M
Nolan Ryan '91 (R)   83 (84) 32 10-12 0 180.1 3.79 .214 1.42 9.58 5.79 6.57M
Kevin Tapani '91 (R)   77 (100) 54 8-15 1 244.0 4.43 .263 1.27 4.39 2.18 6.40M
Curt Schilling '92 (R)    Starter #5 94 (95) 36 12-15 0 215.2 4.67 .284 1.53 5.30 3.55 7.79M
 BULLPEN
Pitcher Role % G W-L SV IP ERA OAV WHIP K/9 BB/9 $
Kent Bottenfield '92 (R)   100 15 1-3 0 18.1 12.27 .430 2.95 4.91 8.35 805K
Todd Frohwirth '91 (R)   100 74 2-3 0 85.2 2.42 .206 1.21 7.98 4.10 4.11M
Doug Henry '91 (R)   88 (89) 48 1-4 0 35.0 2.83 .150 1.23 8.49 6.43 1.75M
Jim Poole '91 (L)   80 (87) 44 4-3 3 39.2 3.40 .227 1.11 6.58 2.27 1.58M
Mike Fetters '92 (R)   97 (98) 69 3-2 0 59.2 2.87 .193 1.19 6.03 4.37 2.03M
Bryan Harvey '91 (R)   100 59 3-5 34 68.1 1.58 .187 0.92 10.54 2.11 3.43M
Cal Eldred '92 (R)   100 28 6-9 0 100.0 3.33 .262 1.26 5.67 2.34 3.47M

7/18/2012 7:00 PM
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Just curious contrarian23... how did that team do on turning DP's?
7/19/2012 2:24 PM
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In OLs, DPs tend to be down a bit, because speed usually dominates player choices.
7/19/2012 3:20 PM
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Not sure I would have used any pitchers of the caliber of '95 Maddux in an OL, particularly after spending that much on my lineup...
7/19/2012 5:48 PM
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Posted by contrarian23 on 7/19/2012 2:32:00 PM (view original):
Hard to say because (a) the way WIS counts DPs at the team level is not accurate and (b) you have to take into account opportunities, not just raw DPs.  Presumably the plus plays mean many fewer runners on base than an average team, so fewer DP opportunities.

But their "total" was 306 against a league average of 318.  League-wide range was from 211 to 402, so they were pretty squarely middle of the pack.
Accurate team double plays can be found under the pitching expanded stats.
7/19/2012 7:32 PM
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I think to maximize +'s plays you should use low walk, high OAV guys.    

The old 1894 pitcher, A++++ fielder strategy............
7/19/2012 9:18 PM
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Posted by Trentonjoe on 7/19/2012 9:18:00 PM (view original):
I think to maximize +'s plays you should use low walk, high OAV guys.    

The old 1894 pitcher, A++++ fielder strategy............
Low K helps too.
7/21/2012 4:20 PM
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Posted by contrarian23 on 7/19/2012 8:03:00 PM (view original):
Huh...learn something new every day.

OK then: this team turned 109 DPs.
Lg Avg: 113
Max: 141
Min: 75

Interesting... although your good pitching and fielding should keep the number of baserunners down, I was under the impression that high range 2B's (and to a lesser extent SS's) create more DP's.  I'm not going to sit down and do the math... maybe they did create more DP's but one would only be able to tell by figuring out the number of DP's per baserunner... or the number or DP's per DP situation.

7/24/2012 6:35 PM (edited)
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Can someone explain how range factor works in the SIM?  All of my players have A+ range w/actual fielding ranges that are A++.  Yet just about every one of my players ranks at the bottom of their position rankings for SIM range factor despite having better actual RF's than the players ranked above them.  I've looked in the Forums but nothing seems to explain the results I'm experiencing.  Tks in advance for any insight to this. Team Clift Hangers in league MLB99421
7/25/2012 8:56 AM
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I think I'm with booger on this one...  Given that the initial "dice roll" landed on hit for a + play, how outs occur SHOULD be basically irrelevant to + play count.  You'd get more - plays with a low K pitcher, but I don't see any reason why + plays should be affected unless you make some argument about how the higher number of - plays and errors results in slightly more chances...
7/26/2012 12:20 AM
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