I have a Chien-Ming Wang in an OL right now. He's been set as Tandem #2B all season. In spite of his 4.45 ERA he's put up a record of 25-1. Of course, the Red Lucas pitching in front of him is 0-15... Incidentally, that Lucas has barely exceeded Wang's innings and put up an even worse ERA for something like 180% of the price. Great American seemed like a good ballpark for a guy with averagish WHIP but very low HR allowed...

Quote: Originally posted by dahsdebater on 1/07/2010I have a Chien-Ming Wang in an OL right now.  He's been set as Tandem #2B all season.  In spite of his 4.45 ERA he's put up a record of 25-1.  Of course, the Red Lucas pitching in front of him is 0-15...  Incidentally, that Lucas has barely exceeded Wang's innings and put up an even worse ERA for something like 180% of the price.  Great American seemed like a good ballpark for a guy with averagish WHIP but very low HR allowed...

um...that's because Lucas only pitched 5 innings one time the whole season. Need 5 IP as the starter to qualify for the win. Wang can then come in and record as little as 1 out and qualify for the win. And nevermind the fact that any inherited runners from Lucas to Wang that Wang allows to score are charged to Lucas.

yeah. you can have alot of fun with the stats in that situation. i've done that in a few leagues with an average sp pitching 40-50 pitches with his pull at 4-5 with maddux or pedro coming in in the 4th and pitching to the 7-8th inning and getting amazing whips out of maddux and pedro due to them not accumulating any in game fatigue.

Quote: Originally Posted By bbondsmvp on 1/08/2010um...that's because Lucas only pitched 5 innings one time the whole season. Need 5 IP as the starter to qualify for the win. Wang can then come in and record as little as 1 out and qualify for the win. And nevermind the fact that any inherited runners from Lucas to Wang that Wang allows to score are charged to Lucas

I know why it is...

I have tried to talk all my girlfriends into Tandems

An interesting bit of baseball rules trivia applies here. If the SP does not go 5 innings, but leaves with a lead that his team never relinquishes, who is the winning pitcher?

I think most people assume it's whoever the relief pitcher is at the conclusion of the 5th inning. But that's not necessarily true. This is, as far as I can determine, the only situation in which MLB rulers do not explicitly define the winning pitcher. Instead, according to rule 10.17 (b), the decision is up to the official scorer:

If the pitcher whose team assumes a lead while such pitcher is in the game, or during the inning on offense in which such pitcher is removed from the game, and does not relinquish such lead, is a starting pitcher who has not completed (1) five innings of a game that lasts six or more innings on defense, or (2) four innings of a game that lasts five innings on defense, then the official scorer shall credit as the winning pitcher the relief pitcher, if there is only one relief pitcher, or the relief pitcher who, in the official scorer’s judgment was the most effective, if there is more than one relief pitcher.

The rules go on to provide guidance that the winning pitcher should not by default be the first relief pitcher; guidance is quite explicit that the "most effective" relief pitcher should be selected. I am not sure how WIS handles this, but I assume they just assign the W to the pitcher of record at the end of the 5th inning. If anyone finds a counterexample of this, I would be interested to see the boxscore.

So, if you are going with a tandem... do you designate your most effective pitcher as A or B?

contrarian, I know from playing live leagues with pitching-wins goals, in which the best way to win is to take a reliever and bring him in for those cheap wins every time you have a lead, that WIS always gives the win to the guy who gets the last out in the 5th. I've played hundreds of such games, and have never seen an exception to that.

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Quote: Originally Posted By joshkvt on 1/09/2010contrarian, I know from playing live leagues with pitching-wins goals, in which the best way to win is to take a reliever and bring him in for those cheap wins every time you have a lead, that WIS always gives the win to the guy who gets the last out in the 5th. I've played hundreds of such games, and have never seen an exception to that

Well perhaps you're always bringing in a guy who pitches effectively, or maybe a "starter" who follows up the first guy by going 3-4 innings.

Chances are good if the second guy goes more than two innings, unless he gets rocked, he's getting the win.

It usually goes that way in real life too, though if a guy comes in and gets teh last out of the fifth and then another pitcher goes two innings after that, he'll probably get it.

I've seen a couple circumstances in real life where a guy got the win and people were frustrated/scratching their heads because he clearly wasn't the "most effective" reliever.

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Quote: Originally Posted By eastvanmungo on 1/09/2010So, if you are going with a tandem... do you designate your most effective pitcher as A or B

personally, i would put the better pitchers as B, as to relieve A after he gets into trouble. you roll the dice, however, if A gives up 10 runs in the first, you have alot of ground to make up and might not want your good pitcher to come in for mopup duty.

Quote: Originally Posted By mattedesa on 1/09/2010

I see no question marks in the original post - only an example of the odd statistics that come from tandems. It seems perfectly reasonable he knew exactly why the stats were the way they were. I assumed the post was for the point of having "fun with tandems", not seeking explanations.

Ditto. Leave the master debater alone.

Not trying to stir the pot. Forgive me if I misinterpreted.