Who Voted for David Segui? Topic

Trentonjoe
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or Eric Karros? Some of these guys should have their voting rights revoked.



The vote:
Andre Dawson 420 (77.9%), Bert Blyleven 400 (74.2%), Roberto Alomar 397 (73.7%), Jack Morris 282 (52.3%), Barry Larkin 278 (51.6%), Lee Smith 255 (47.3%), Edgar Martinez 195 (36.2%), Tim Raines 164 (30.4%), Mark McGwire 128 (23.7%), Alan Trammell 121 (22.4%), Fred McGriff 116 (21.5%), Don Mattingly 87 (16.1%), Dave Parker 82 (15.2%), Dale Murphy 63 (11.7%), Harold Baines 33 (6.1%), Andres Galarraga 22 (4.1%), Robin Ventura 7 (1.3%), Ellis Burks 2 (0.4%), Eric Karros 2 (0.4%), Kevin Appier 1 (0.2%), Pat Hentgen 1 (0.2%), David Segui 1 (0.2%), Mike Jackson 0, Ray Lankford 0, Shane Reynolds 0, Todd Zeile 0.
1/6/2010 1:22 PM
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Why's he even on the ballot? Is Dmitri Young going to be on the ballot one day?
1/6/2010 1:53 PM
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Bert Blyleven 400 (74.2%),



Personally, I don't think this guy belongs either.

Is all it takes these days is a long career? Being average for 20 years is all it takes?

1/6/2010 2:00 PM
Trentonjoe
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I forget what the requirements are...it's something like 10 years and an all-star appearance. Dmitri will probably be on there....in fact he's probably pretty damn similar to Eric Karros.
1/6/2010 2:09 PM
crazystengel
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According to baseball-reference.com, Segui was never an all-star.
1/6/2010 2:16 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by skinndogg on 1/06/2010 Bert Blyleven 400 (74.2%),  Personally, I don't think this guy belongs either.Is all it takes these days is a long career?  Being average for 20 years is all it takes?   

Are you referring to Blyleven with the "average for 20 years" remark? I certainly hope not.
1/6/2010 2:27 PM
Trentonjoe
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from howstuffworks.com:



To qualify for the ballot, a player must have played at least 10 years in the major leagues and be retired for five -- requirements that are sometimes waived for special cases, such as the untimely death of Roberto Clemente in 1972. Addie Joss had 160 victories and a career earned run average of 1.88 but was one game short of 10-year status when tubercular meningitis killed him just before the opening of the 1911 season. He was finally admitted by the Veterans Committee in 1978.
1/6/2010 2:27 PM
Trentonjoe
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Quote: Originally Posted By footballmm11 on 1/06/2010
Quote: Originally posted by skinndogg on 1/06/2010


Bert Blyleven 400 (74.2%),



Personally, I don't think this guy belongs either.

Is all it takes these days is a long career? Being average for 20 years is all it takes?



Are you referring to Blyleven with the "average for 20 years" remark? I certainly hope not


My big beef with Blyleven is if he was so good how come he only made the all star team twice and was only in the top 10 for Cy Young Voting 4 times.

How come his contemporaries didn't think he was that good?
1/6/2010 2:31 PM
footballmm11
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basically, because his contemporaries were wrong. they overvalued wins and undervalued his actual run-saving capabilities. just because andre dawson's contemporaries thought he was good (MVP award) and blyleven's didn't (no Cy Youngs) doesn't mean dawson is deserving and blyleven is not.
1/6/2010 2:50 PM
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From what I remember of him, he had too many average to below average years. Sure, he had 3 or 4 good ones, but no great ones.

There is no "Wow" factor with Blyleven.

Eleven of his 22 years he didn't have a winning record.

"In 1996. Blyleven became a color commentator for the Twins."

This is the biggest reason why he made it. His after baseball life kept him in the spotlight.

I know I'm in the minority, and he's in so it doesn't matter.

1/6/2010 3:49 PM
truemen
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Mark McGwire was on only 23% of the ballots? Now thats just plain wrong. Dude was the most feared hitter of our generation.
1/6/2010 4:16 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By skinndogg on 1/06/2010


From what I remember of him, he had too many average to below average years. Sure, he had 3 or 4 good ones, but no great ones.

There is no "Wow" factor with Blyleven.

Eleven of his 22 years he didn't have a winning record.

"In 1996. Blyleven became a color commentator for the Twins."

This is the biggest reason why he made it. His after baseball life kept him in the spotlight.

I know I'm in the minority, and he's in so it doesn't matter.



and how many "wow" years did Dawson have, aside from 1987? Where's the 'wow' factor there??
1/6/2010 4:20 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By skinndogg on 1/06/2010


From what I remember of him, he had too many average to below average years. Sure, he had 3 or 4 good ones, but no great ones.

There is no "Wow" factor with Blyleven.

Eleven of his 22 years he didn't have a winning record.

"In 1996. Blyleven became a color commentator for the Twins."

This is the biggest reason why he made it. His after baseball life kept him in the spotlight.

I know I'm in the minority, and he's in so it doesn't matter.



actually, if you're referring to Blyleven (and from the context of your comment I believe you are), he isn't in. He missed out again, this time by 5 votes (if my math calcs are correct). I'm fine with that as Blyleven doens't deserve to be in IMHO (nor does Sutton, but we'll leave that for another thread).
1/6/2010 4:21 PM
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Alomar is the only one who might deserve it. The Hall of fame is stretched way too thin. I think they should elect 1 player every 2 years max! Make it the best of the best only! No 75% vote crap. I say you have to be on 90% of ballots and you only get 3 tries not 15!!!
1/6/2010 4:42 PM
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With those requirements about 6 players would be in. Wouldn't that make for a fun tour.
1/6/2010 5:42 PM
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