Re-Thinking the Player Search? Topic

Assuming that I ever attain a passable understanding of how the new normalized/relative fielding works, I doubt I'll ever be able to figure out how to incorporate it into my typical player search. I'm particularly curious about how to incorporate the impact on team defense into my search criteria for pitchers. I am not satisfied with the nuclear option of not drafting deadball pitchers; those pitchers have their own advantages, and it's fun to keep them in the mix. I am also not satisfied with the answer that you need to look to outside resources, such as BR.com, to figure out relative fielding percentages by league/year. Any factors that significantly impact gameplay should be reflected in the available search criteria (to some minimum extent, at least).

The question is whether searches based on pitching stats (WHIP+, BB/9#, ERC/ERC#, HR/9+, etc.) will yield deceptive results. Such a search won't reflect the impact the pitcher has on team defense, will it? A deadballer that looks like a good dollar value in comparison to a modern pitcher may not be worth the savings if he drags down your defense, but the search engine doesn't give you any criteria to evaluate that difference. Or does it? Compare 1906 Doc White to 1998 Roger Clemens, or 1906 Mordecai Brown to 1968 Bob Gibson. Those aren't perfect comparisons, but how does one incorporate the defense effect when deciding between those modern/deadball pairs?

Or, by even asking these questions am I simply illustrating my complete and total ignorance when it comes to the concept of relative fielding? Am I worrying about nothing? Is ignorance bliss? Why does bread always land butter-side down? Bueller?
10/14/2009 10:25 PM
you're probably on to something. if you see 2 pitchers that come up and one looks significantly better than the other, it's likely because one is a deadballer and his fielders might suck. how bad will they suck? we don't know yet.

i don't think there's a way to build it into your searches, you just kind of have to do it in your head.
10/15/2009 7:10 AM
has anyone posted the top 5 league wide fielding years?
10/15/2009 7:27 AM
Quote: Originally Posted By ctorkelson on 10/14/2009
Assuming that I ever attain a passable understanding of how the new normalized/relative fielding works, I doubt I'll ever be able to figure out how to incorporate it into my typical player search. I'm particularly curious about how to incorporate the impact on team defense into my search criteria for pitchers. I am not satisfied with the nuclear option of not drafting deadball pitchers; those pitchers have their own advantages, and it's fun to keep them in the mix. I am also not satisfied with the answer that you need to look to outside resources, such as BR.com, to figure out relative fielding percentages by league/year. Any factors that significantly impact gameplay should be reflected in the available search criteria (to some minimum extent, at least).

The question is whether searches based on pitching stats (WHIP+, BB/9#, ERC/ERC#, HR/9+, etc.) will yield deceptive results. Such a search won't reflect the impact the pitcher has on team defense, will it? A deadballer that looks like a good dollar value in comparison to a modern pitcher may not be worth the savings if he drags down your defense, but the search engine doesn't give you any criteria to evaluate that difference. Or does it? Compare 1906 Doc White to 1998 Roger Clemens, or 1906 Mordecai Brown to 1968 Bob Gibson. Those aren't perfect comparisons, but how does one incorporate the defense effect when deciding between those modern/deadball pairs?

Or, by even asking these questions am I simply illustrating my complete and total ignorance when it comes to the concept of relative fielding? Am I worrying about nothing? Is ignorance bliss? Why does bread always land butter-side down? Bueller?

there is always one side of the slice of bread that has more butter than the other sides causing the bread to rotate midflight to the heavier side...

all the other stuff requires a brain larger than mine to figure out.
10/15/2009 9:38 AM
So, if we find the BEST pitchers in the BEST fielding years and surround him with the BEST A++++ fielders from the WORST fielding years, we're putting our optimal fielding team together?

10/15/2009 1:24 PM
Quote: Originally posted by toddcommish on 10/15/2009So, if we find the BEST pitchers in the BEST fielding years and surround him with the BEST A++++ fielders from the WORST fielding years, we're putting our optimal fielding team together? 

Yes.

you want your pitchers to come from eras with the highest possible fielding percentage.

you want your fielders to be as far above their league average as possible.
10/15/2009 2:42 PM


you want your pitchers to come from eras with the highest possible fielding percentage.



Do we have this information? Which years were the best fielding years?

10/15/2009 3:08 PM
And this change ONLY affects fielding percentage and not range?! Has this been confirmed?
10/15/2009 4:29 PM
actually, the bread landing butter side down is a myth.

as for the fielding percentage change, i'll leave that the smarter folk.
10/15/2009 4:43 PM
Quote: Originally Posted By cameraeye on 10/15/2009has anyone posted the top 5 league wide fielding years
I think having this knowledge will be a key element in how we draft players from now on. Most experienced owners are aware that 1968 was a great year for pitcher performance, and that 1894 and 1930 were great years for hitter performance (in real life). We have these years (and others) stuck in our heads as relative statistical extremes in regards to pitcing and hitting. Now that relative fielding has been added to the drafting equation, it becomes important to know what the best/worst fielding years are. Since the WIS search engine isn't going to put an asterisk next to these years, the information must be gathered from an outside source such as baseballreference.com. Any takers?
10/15/2009 5:39 PM
Quote: Originally posted by tzentmeyer on 10/14/2009
Quote: Originally posted by greener88 on 10/14/2009 Does WIS plan to add any additional tips for assessing fielding percentage in the draft center? How about a pop-up calculator or chart to help us estimate how a historically normalized fielding rating behaves with a hitter and pitcher from various eras?

We do, in fact, plan on adding a page with league averages and a simple plug-and-play number cruncher. It will be made available tomorrow.

From the update thread
10/15/2009 5:57 PM
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